God Is Mad at America

[ybrown]

misskaylander said:

Yeaup!, things he heard from Christian folks or those proporting to know Christ and His voice....


Nagin said his comments about God were inappropriate and stemmed from a private conversation he had with a minister earlier.

That confirms what I thought. He just sounded like a repeater, not a prophet.

And going further back in history, President Abraham Lincoln created quite a stir in his second inaugural address on March 4, 1865, when he blamed the high number of deaths in the Civil War on the fact that slavery had angered God.

Thanks for this history nugget. Luv it! ;D

[keita nsi]

Grace and Peace, Saints!

I don't know about anyone else, but as far as the Katrina threads are concerned, I'll just repeat ybrown's
words:

I said what I said.

and to date, nothing has led me to change a word of it.

Now, given that, my remarks regarding Ray Nagin's latest comments certainly had nothing to do with judging them, him for making them, or his spiritual condition while doing so. Any (minimal) interest I had was merely piqued by what seemed to be such a dramatic and sudden change to his perspective...and its timing. I believe that is also primarily what connected me to the scripture I mentioned. Btw, I learned a lot by studying it.

Anyhoo, I honestly think that more than anything, Ray Nagin is a player who got played.

[MsKayLander]

But who played him? Spiritual advisers? The reality is this.. Nagin was chosen by a majority white vote, not black. He just alienated those that felt he was qualified for office. Because of the overwhelmingly majority of blacks who felt this incident was racial.... he moved to appeal to the other side (black) and failed miserably... I think he listened to someone who he considered spiritual when he made his remarks and then had the sense to backtrack...he was a good mayor before Katrina... what has changed?

[keita]

misskaylander said:

But who played him?

What has changed?

Great questions!

Chances are, he's asking himself those same things right about now.

[ybrown]

keita said:

Anyhoo, I honestly think that more than anything, Ray Nagin is a player who got played.

Small sentence with a lot of punch and truth! He played himself.

[Giants DO Die ns]

Wait so let me get this straight here. Are we saying that God doesnt judge nations and cities and that He wont use what seems like a " natural " disaster ??

I just want to be clear one what is being said here.

[ybrown]

Giants said:

Wait so let me get this straight here. Are we saying that God doesnt judge nations and cities and that He wont use what seems like a " natural " disaster ??

I just want to be clear one what is being said here.

I don't think that's what's being said. I think the comments are more about the speaker rather than the message.

[keita nsi]

Giants said:

Are we saying that God doesnt judge nations and cities and that He wont use what seems like a " natural " disaster ??

I think that might depend on who "we" is.

I, for one, absolutely believe that God indeed has done, does and will do exactly that.

[ybrown]

I'm not sure what Katrina was all about. Heck, I don't know what the tsunami, or other natural disasters are all about.

But there's one thing I do know. The bible says that Jesus holds all of nature together in Colossians 1:16-17, and so that's what I believe.

Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! Does He sometimes influence the weather? Yes. Does God sometimes cause natural disasters as a judgment against sin? Yes, see Numbers 16:30-34. In fact the Book of Revelation describes many events which could most certainly be described as natural disasters.

Then that leads to the question: Is every natural disaster a punishment from God? That, I'm still waiting on an answer to.

But ultimately, the same thing that causes these disasters today is the same thing that nailed Christ to that cross over 2000 years ago. Sin on the earth. For right now, that's sufficient enough for me.

Why doesn't anyone ever credit God for the great weather that happens for decades at a time?

[Jasmine nsi]

'God Is Mad at America,' Says New Orleans Mayor Nagin Vows Rebuilt City Will Be 'Chocolate'

I have been reading the thread. I don't really have to much to add, except to answer the initial title of the thread.

If we can't fathom that God would be mad at america, it would be a great deceiving on our part. I truly believe that God is not only mad, but disgusted, and grieved (imho) with how the world is going.

Since spirit of God resides in us, we should be impressed with those same feelings.

[Jasmine nsi]

Then that leads to the question: Is every natural disaster a punishment from God? That, I'm still waiting on an answer to.

But ultimately, the same thing that causes these disasters today is the same thing that nailed Christ to that cross over 2000 years ago. Sin on the earth. For right now, that's sufficient enough for me.

Romans 8:

15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


Sin, and also with great expectation that the Lord is coming.

[Grace]

As far as Ray Nagin is concerned he said what we as Christians have already been saying. Heck I'm from New Orleans and I believed it was God's judgement on the US and this is just the beginning. This is God's judgement on the world. The Tsunami in Asia, Katrina in New Orleans and the gulf coast. Tornadoes in the midwest. More to come because the folks will not get right. Earth quakes in Pakistan.

What he is saying is nothing short of what the Bible has said to us. judgement is here. I'm glad he said it. Cuz when we say it they just think we are religious fanatics. But coming from someone else maybe the rest will take a real hard look.

Folks better wake up and smell the coffee God is not playing. Not only was this judgement but it also pulled th ecurtains back and exposed things right her ein the good ole USA.

Like Jasmine said if we can't fathom that God is mad with the America we decieve our selves. Truth is GOd is not winking at the mes that his happening here or for that matter allover this world.

[stillfocused]

My only thought on this..if God used a donkey to speak to a Prophet..then he can use anybody he wants to speak what he needs to be heard.

[Grace]

Amen stillfocused. He can and will use anybody. I don't know why the saints think they are the only ones that got the market cornered when it comes to God using them and speaking.

He will use anybody he wants. And I don't care if Nagin heard it from a preacher friend and repeated it.

Bottom line is truth hurts! People wake up smell and the dirty water. God is not playing and we need to get serious about the state of this world.

Do you really think God is going to just sit by and let us continue in debotchary as sin and say nothing. Please God is not mocked and lets face it America has been mocking God as well as the world for some time. This is just the beginning there is more to come.

Truth of the matter it shouldn't of had to come from Ray Nagin. The Saints should have been telling the folks. Whats real funny is some of the people who were displaced have recognized it as God's judgement why can't the rest of us.

[krazeeboi]

1) Hurricanes ain't nothin' new. We act like they started once North America was colonized by Eurpoeans, and by extension, Africans.

2) Many of the meteorological phenomena we are experiencing today is the result of anthropogenic activity--that is, it is a result of manmade effects on the environment (eg, global warming).

3) If anything, Katrina exposed the hypocrisy of government (on all levels) and the role it has played, both historically and recently, in the oppression of an entire people.

New Orleans will never be the same, for good or bad (or both).