Church converted 2 Hebrew Israelite Assembly!

[anointedteacher]

Jun 28, 2010 7:44:47 GMT -5 Nikkol said:

@zion:

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved .
1) do we agree that the above-mentioned scripture is referring to Jesus?

2) Do you believe that God wants us to focus on race for being "empowered"?

Side Note: In Philly we have different groups of hebrew Israelites who stand on the corner and their sole purpose is to talk about how black people are the real Jews. Nothing about salvation for the world (John 3:16) or even that whether you're a Jew or Gentile, we can all receive the benefits of being a child of the King...

This another distraction from the enemy... It have nothing to do with salvation, love and ministrying deliverance to a dying world. It have everything to do with racism, hate, and division in the Body of Christ.... I don't care what color Jesus is/was... I rather be member of the Body of Christ, than part of the Jewish race the killed Jesus and refuse to accept Him to this day as the true Messiah, Lord and Savour.

[zionisrael]

Your response saddens me. I poured my heart out to you trying to explain to you that I believe in the same Savior Jesus Christ. There is no difference between your beliefs and mine. Why do you call me or my beliefs the works of the enemy? He is my Lord and my God. We as a people turned our backs on our Lord and are reaping the punishment. If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray, seek my face, turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land. 2 Chron 7:14. We are dying and I am trying to help to restore the house of Israel as in Isaiah 58, and be a repairer of the breach. Please try and understand that most Hebrew Israelites know that salvation is in only one name and that name is Jesus Christ. I was saved in 1981 and I know who picked me up out of the dirt and dusted me off and set my feet on the path for his name sake.

I feel that it is my calling to open my brothers and sisters eyes as the scriptures say to the Jew first if you want to call me a Jew and then to the Greek (the rest of the world).

We have allowed lies to cause us to forget His high holy day the Sabbath and His other holy days. Read Isaiah 58 and see how he hates our fast and other rituals.

Please be careful how you say things are the trick of the enemy because you are referring to God's child. The young men who stand on the corners have great zeal for the Lord but they I feel lack strong leadership to show them that hatred is not the answer. As I mentioned in my very first post, there are many different groups of Hebrew Israelites just as there are many groups of Christians.

The Catholics do not believe the same things that the protestants believe and they also have additional books that use as their authority. Our conversations should be pleasing to our Father/Savior. I love you and hope that you might take an additional look at the Bible and see that the Father took the entire Old Testament giving us the LAW which really stands for "Instruction" and then showing how we as a people did everything we could to disobey him. Now do you think that he would send his son here to destroy all that work. No, 1 John, 2:3-4, says if you love him you will keep his commandments. It also says that If you say you love him and don't keep his commandments then you are a liar and the truth is not in you.

Stop and think about how we began to worship on Sunday and why Constantine told us to worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. Why are we listening to him instead of the Father. Why are we honoring the holidays that his group established and not the holidays in Leviticus that the Father established.

In Revelation the scriptures say that the beast went to war after the children of God who kept the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Open your eyes. Who knows, I might be the person that the Lord sent to you to show you the way after all these are the last and evil days.

Also, I would love to know the church that converted. That pastor and congregation has to be very brave to go against mainstream.

To everyone on this posting,

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel, and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

God bless you my friend. Keep loving the Lord.

[keita]

zionisrael



for your calling and your sadness both of which I know well, feel deeply and share gladly.

;D

for the encouragement you have brought to my heart, and for your excellent example of speaking (especially this particular) truth with courage and in love.
'Cause this prone to be jonah/elijah sista needed a refresher real bad.



See above.

And because your post sounded a lot like a benediction, but just in case it was also a goodbye.

[zionisrael]

Thank you so much Keita for encouraging words.

[Nikkol]

Of course as always, I believe that we should be able to have discussions without name calling, etc. Discussing is good.

We have allowed lies to cause us to forget His high holy day the Sabbath and His other holy days. Read Isaiah 58 and see how he hates our fast and other rituals.

I feel that it is my calling to open my brothers and sisters eyes as the scriptures say to the Jew first if you want to call me a Jew and then to the Greek (the rest of the world).

Stop and think about how we began to worship on Sunday and why Constantine told us to worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. Why are we listening to him instead of the Father. Why are we honoring the holidays that his group established and not the holidays in Leviticus that the Father established.

Scriptures:
1) Colossians 2:16 KJV
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

2) One scripture that discusses specifically "Sunday" so to speak...
Acts 20:7 KJV
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

3) So as a "Greek", what did the apostles teach?

Acts 15: 24-31
24 Forasmuch as we have heard , that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying , Ye must be circumcised , and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment :
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well .
30 So when they were dismissed , they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together , they delivered the epistle:
31 Which when they had read , they rejoiced for the consolation.

4) I do know that there's a difference between Hebrew Pentecostals and Hebrew Israelites. The reason I asked specifically about Jesus is because I know that Hebrew Pentecostals believe that Jesus is God manifested in flesh...but I have never seen or heard Hebrew Israelites believe the same.

5) Lastly, wouldn't you (and those that follow that teaching) moreso be Samaritans than Jews based on following your lineage?

[abbyisrael]

Grace and Peace to all:

I just joined this site and I thought I might add a few things..

Lets look at Colossians 2:16. Is it possible that Paul was saying as you keep the feast days, let no man judge you in meat, drink, or in respect of any holy day... for if you look down further, he says for these ARE a shadow of things to come... I find it hard to believe that Paul who kept all the holydays would instruct others not to. When the Holy Ghost fell the body of Christ was in the upper room they were keeping the feast day of Pentacost, that is why they were all together.

For the one scripture regarding Sunday, that day was the feast day of first fruits - always kept the first sunday after passover. Nothing new just here again keeping the feast days the Father commanded us to keep. There are sooooooooo many scripturs regarding keeping the Sabbath in the Bible and None instructing us to change it. The Sabbath was changed to Sunday by Constintine - and the Catholic church believing they have authority over God to change his word. Do a search - you will be shocked.

What did the Apostles teach,
Paul; was an apostle - what did he do? He kept the feast days.
Jesus (Yeshua) kept the feast days too.
What paul is teaching in what you cited is that salvation does not come through keeping the Law nor forgiveness of sins. The killing of animals was the weakness in the law that was nailed to the cross. Why was it weak, it had to be done over and over and over and constant killing because man is/was so sinful. And by the hand of sinful man. That weakness was replaced by the precious blood of Christ. Now we don't have to kill any lambs anymore for salvation. We are free from the curse/penalty of law.

Let me give an example: If a murderer killed someone and under the penalty of law was condemned to death and for some reason the governor pardoned his crime/sin and set him free. He is no longer under the penalty of law. He is now Free. But, but, but is he now free to violate the law that same law that put him in jail? or disregard the law because he was set free from the penalty of the law he was under??? No he is free to go, but he must not break the law again. Like Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery - go and sin no more - meaning - keep the law. What is Sin, the scripture says sin is the transgression of the Law. What law??? The Law of God - The law of the Old Testament - There was no new testament written as yet. And yes as flesh we fall into sin but we cannot just willfully sin otherwise there is no help for us - read the scriptures further.

If we say the law is thrown out technically we are free to do anything as without the law there is no such thing as sin. Don't misunderstand me, the law of God works in our hearts and in our minds too, but as instructions God gave us more than 613 commandments in the Old Testament alone explaining the two main commandments that Jesus reiterated : Loving God and Loving one another.

Now the ceremonial laws regarding blood sacrifices and such are the laws that we know have been replaced by the Precious Blood of Yeshua/Jesus. Has the law of adultery changed? The law of murder? I guarantee you your church will tell you the Law of tithing stands :-). And that law was not even included in top ten we love to quote. Why one and not the other?

I too am a Hebrew Israelite and I believe Jesus is God in the Flesh..

There are so many things that have been hidden from you/me/us. The scriptures say in the last days knowledge would increase and that the children of Israel would awaken - read about the dry bones in the valley.

And who are we really? Look up Hebrew Language in Wikipedia. It begins with "An Afro-Asiatic Language - now culturally believed to be Jewish... (taken from us) It also says it is the Language of the Canaanites - Ham/Black children for sure. There are so many other proofs, but I thought you might be more interested in something written by someone other than a black person as evidence. It is so sad that we believe we were noting but forest dwellers before the Europeans set sail. Our condition is because we thought little of the Word of God. Christ as being the Word we should not reject any of it, nor should we accept the Eurpoean/Roman version of what the scriptures are teaching, unless it is total truth.

Do a Study - Start with how the Sabbath was changed. Everything in the word revolves around a seven day cycle. The Father said to even let the earth where we plant crops have a Sabbath. Because we have defied that ruling, our fruits and vegetables are now depleted nutritionally. Why did we ignore that law - was it nailed to the cross, and if so then why are our corps now void of nutrition - because God Said So.

Why are we so stressed out most of the time. God also told us to Rest one day. Have we found a better way for that too?

And the meat he told us not to eat - all scavengers. Bad for our bodies....

I just don't know where to stop

[abbyisrael]

One more thing - God Changes not
when God called Israel out of Egypt, First he sent the Messenger/Moses; Then the call was made and a commandment to get under the Blood; Then and only then were they redeemed, the scriptures in exodus call them purchased. After they were redeemed, he gave them his Law to follow - Even then it was not the law that Saved them. By faith they placed the blood. By faith they left Egypt. By Faith then and by faith now. But we still have to obey God. We cannot have God without His Commandments, otherwise we have created our own god/s enabling us to lean unto our own understanding. There are things the Father told us to do and things He told us not to do.

Sorry for talking so much - I just love the word and the family of God.

[keita]

Jun 29, 2010 6:09:11 GMT -5 zionisrael said:

Thank you so much Keita for encouraging words.

You are most sincerely welcome.

Jun 29, 2010 7:19:57 GMT -5 Nikkol said:

I believe that we should be able to have discussions without name calling, etc. Discussing is good.

Indeed.

And it is my prayer that this thread will now become/return to exactly that...an intelligent, fruitful discussion.

Jun 29, 2010 7:19:57 GMT -5 Nikkol said:

I do know that there's a difference between Hebrew Pentecostals and Hebrew Israelites.

And MANY differences AMONG those who identify themselves in those terms as well.

For example, among others, I have long been in fellowship with some brothers and sisters who identify as "Messianic Hebrew Israelites".

(They are also, btw, King James Only people, which I most certainly am not. Too racist and misogynistic... but that's another subject... well, sort of anyway. )

Jun 29, 2010 7:19:57 GMT -5 Nikkol said:

The reason I asked specifically about Jesus is because I know that Hebrew Pentecostals believe that Jesus is God manifested in flesh...

Personally, I think there should have been a lot more asking done on this thread.

But I believe asking specifically about Yeshua/Jesus is always commendable, especially in a discussion like this.

Jun 29, 2010 7:19:57 GMT -5 Nikkol said:

...but I have never seen or heard Hebrew Israelites believe the same.

Until now.

And I think your statement speaks to a lot of what was so offensive to me about this thread.

Many who posited themselves as experts on "Hebrew Israelites" so clearly lacked the knowledge to speak with the authority, let alone hostility, that they did.

The result was a lot of sweeping generalizations, more than a few insulting stereotypes, and some off the wall accusations which were based on nothing more than individual experience, personal opinion, and just plain judging wrongly.

And I admit that reading back over this thread still makes my head spin.

But, with the exception of at least one new thread that I'm considering, (because that Messiah's name portion of this thread still has my eyes crossed and rolling hard ) I'm gonna do my best to focus on where this discussion is now.

Jun 29, 2010 8:58:11 GMT -5 abbyisrael said:

Grace and Peace to all:

I just joined this site... I too am a Hebrew Israelite and I believe Jesus is God in the Flesh...

Peace and Blessings, abbyisrael.

WELCOME!

[keita]

Jun 29, 2010 7:19:57 GMT -5 Nikkol said:

1) Colossians 2:16 KJV
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Jun 29, 2010 8:58:11 GMT -5 abbyisrael said:

Lets look at Colossians 2:16. Is it possible that Paul was saying as you keep the feast days, let no man judge you in meat, drink, or in respect of any holy day... for if you look down further, he says for these ARE a shadow of things to come... I find it hard to believe that Paul who kept all the holydays would instruct others not to. When the Holy Ghost fell the body of Christ was in the upper room they were keeping the feast day of Pentacost, that is why they were all together.

When considering the epistles (letters) of Paul, I think it's also important to know/remember that Paul, while a self-described Hebrew and a "Jew", was the apostle to the Gentiles and that they were/are his audience.

Because like many Africans and African American believers, I do not identify myself a Gentile.

Jun 29, 2010 7:19:57 GMT -5 Nikkol said:

One scripture that discusses specifically "Sunday" so to speak...

Acts 20:7 KJV
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Jun 29, 2010 8:58:11 GMT -5 abbyisrael said:

For the one scripture regarding Sunday, that day was the feast day of first fruits - always kept the first sunday after passover. Nothing new just here again keeping the feast days the Father commanded us to keep. There are sooooooooo many scripturs regarding keeping the Sabbath in the Bible and None instructing us to change it. The Sabbath was changed to Sunday by Constintine - and the Catholic church believing they have authority over God to change his word.

Well, for me that "the first day of the week" would became known as "Sunday" is quite telling, and I agree with abbyisrael regarding how and why that happened.

And even if I/we knew nothing of the Feasts of Israel, (GOD forbid) I agree that there is absolutely nothing in Acts 20:7 or anywhere else in scripture that changes Our Father's commanded and designated "Sabbath", now wrongly called "Saturday".

While I have absolutely no issue with assembly and worship on the first day of the week, I do not believe it replaces keeping the Sabbath just as Yeshua/Jesus certainly did.

Actually, I find no problem doing both, but if I had to choose only one (which I don't) it would most certainly be Sabbath keeping.

Jun 29, 2010 7:19:57 GMT -5 Nikkol said:

wouldn't you (and those that follow that teaching) moreso be Samaritans than Jews based on following your lineage?

I remember you saying that same thing earlier and I still don't understand what you're saying/asking.

Could you explain?

But, for the record, I'm not particularly fond of the term "Jews" especially not as a synonym for Hebrews and/or Israelites.

I believe, in that context, Judahite is much more accurate for a tribal people.

And yes, I believe that (at the very least) MANY African Americans are indeed the descendants of the tribe of Judah.

[abbyisrael]

Shalom:

Thank you for welcoming me in.

I love the title Judahite - it is Beautiful.

And yes Paul was sent to the Gentiles. And look where he preached - in all the Eurpoean countries. Also, when Paul asked the Gentiles to stop with their keeping certain days, he was not speaking about God's Holy Days because the Gentiles practiced pegan rites. You will see he said "bringing in d**nable heresies and at other times the traditions of men'. The Judahits were doing that. Read what the Father says about his Laws. He says his laws are spirit and life. Holy; Rightous; I was once told if I keep the law I am going straight to Hell. And that we could not keep the Law. There is a scripture that says "my law is not to hard for you to keep. What we could not do was find salvation by keeping the Law. But keeping the Law keeps us HOLY. "Be ye Holy for I am Holy" and if not by keeping the Law/His Law, then how are we to be Holy? The Holiness does not come from what we do, circumcision, keeping the Sabbath, etc - the Holyness comes from the act of obeying God.


The problem is Rome merged/changed God's Holy Days and Times to mesh in with Pegan worship. Easter/Passover. They tossed in Christmas as a bonus - no where in scripture. Easter is the worship of the Goddess of fertility. Check out the Laws in Deut. The Father constantly warned Israel to stop mixing in. I am sorry if I am offending some but we need to stay as close to the Word as possible.

The one thing we need to be careful about is mixing Holy worship with Pagen worship. The Father said there has to be a clear distinction between us and the world. Now I am with you in that I don't mind worshiping on the Sabbath and on the first day of the week, but we are commanded to worship on the Sabbath. Worshiping on the first day too in my humble opinion is no problem for me either.

Be Blessed.

[abbyisrael]

Oh, by the way, I read the document sent by zionisrael. It was really good.

[Nikkol]

I had so much more that I wrote, but I decided to just pull up a few more points...

1) Remember, Samaritans were considered "half breeds", ie. only half Israelites based to the mising of the Israelites with other "cultures/races".

2) I personally believe we should worship the Lord everyday...not just the Sabbath. And as I stated before (bolding just to make it stand out). No matter when you go to the assembly, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SABBATH IS SUNDAY. However, my point was in reference to the fact that ppl assembled on the first day of the week.

3) I have no problem with those who want to keep the feasts days....I've even attended one of those "services" (using that word "lightly"). However, I do have a problem with being told I HAVE to keep the feasts days or I'm in sin.

4) 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed , saying , That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up , and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe .
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness , giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear ?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved , even as they.

5) I found this to be a good commentary that points out the same thing that I was trying to point outn regarding Colossians 2:16:
The apostle concludes the chapter with exhortations to proper duty, which he infers from the foregoing discourse. Here is a caution to take heed of judaizing teachers, or those who would impose upon Christians the yoke of the ceremonial law: Let no man therefore judge you in meat nor drink, etc., v. 16. Much of the ceremonies of the law of Moses consisted in the distinction of meats and days. It appears by Rom. 14 that there were those who were for keeping up those distinctions: but here the apostle shows that since Christ has come, and has cancelled the ceremonial law, we ought not to keep it up. "Let no man impose those things upon you, for God has not imposed them: if God has made you free, be not you again entangled in that yoke of bondage.’’ And this the rather because these things were shadows of things to come (v. 17), intimating that they had no intrinsic worth in them and that they are now done away. But the body is of Christ: the body, of which they were shadows, has come; and to continue the ceremonial observances, which were only types and shadows of Christ and the gospel, carries an intimation that Christ has not yet come and the gospel state has not yet commenced. Observe the advantages we have under the gospel, above what they had under the law: they had the shadows, we have the substance.

Of course it doesn't mean that you CAN'T keep those days (see point #3)

6) Tithing was done before the law.....

7) Loving God and Loving others are the greatest commandments. This is important because we don't want ppl to believe in a "works" salvation because it's not our works that saves us but the fact that God manifested himself in the flesh to die for our sins so that we wouldn't have to. We must accept the finishing work of Christ.

8) When all is said and done whether you're an Israelite (God's chosen ppl) or a Gentile (grafted in), the end result is still the same. Salvation is available for all. No one is better than anyone else. This, however, is not the message that is heard in the streets of Philadelphia by Hebrew Israelites. The message in Philadelphia is one of "We're better than you". The message should still be the same. That we were on our way to hell because of our sin....but Jesus has come so that we can live again. He paid the price because he loves us....

[keita]

Jun 30, 2010 7:37:00 GMT -5 Nikkol said:

Loving God and Loving others are the greatest commandments. This is important because we don't want ppl to believe in a "works" salvation because it's not our works that saves us but the fact that God manifested himself in the flesh to die for our sins so that we wouldn't have to. We must accept the finishing work of Christ.

When all is said and done whether you're an Israelite (God's chosen ppl) or a Gentile (grafted in), the end result is still the same. Salvation is available for all. No one is better than anyone else....
The message should still be the same. That we were on our way to hell because of our sin....but Jesus has come so that we can live again. He paid the price because he loves us....

AMEN and AMEN.

That is the message of the gospel and the very heart of Jesus Christ.

It is the message I believe, and endeavor to preach and teach, above all else, and with all of my heart.

As do many of our brothers and sisters in Yeshua Ha Maschia, who identify themselves as Hebrew Israelites.

And although I do not personally identify myself as a "Hebrew Israelite", I think this thread made clear that many of us were simply and sadly ignorant of the WIDE variety and variations in and among those who do.

So when you shared that:

This, however, is not the message that is heard in the streets of Philadelphia by Hebrew Israelites. The message in Philadelphia is one of "We're better than you".

I truly did appreciate you being so very specific about which/what "Hebrew Israelites" you are speaking about.

Because, if nothing else positive is/was accomplished on this thread, I hope we will at least acknowledge and correct the error of judging "Hebrew Israelites" as a monolithic group.

Just as ALL "Jewish" people, then or now, should not be judged as "Christ killers" and unbelievers... something which also actually happened on this thread.

And just as ALL who call themselves Christians (also a term I personally don't usually use to identify myself) should not be judged by the actions of those who advocate the murder of doctors who perform abortions, or those who march about proclaiming that "GOD hates f*gs".

[zionisrael]

I love this atmosphere of conversation. Do you know that many preachers, i.e. John Hagee, Rod Parsley, David Jeremiah and many others speak of the task that awaits the Hebrew (Jew) in the last days and how the scriptures say that they will lead the world. If Jews are not the chosen people and it is the Hebrew Israelites responsibility than it would behoove us to try to wake up our people to lead the world. Yes, they need to know the Lord and be born again for salvation but then the work begins.

I know that many people don't believe that the blacks could possibly be the chosen but that fits the scriptures too. We are a great nation of people but we have forgotten a chosen place by GOD. Let me know your thoughts and thanks. Look at Isaiah 1:3

The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.

This scripture shows that we don't even consider or believe who we are.

Here is another description of an Israelite

Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the LORD, the rebuke of thy God.

Go to any city and see if our boys are not on the corners of all the streets and are most of them angry. If this is not us, does it describe a Jew?

There is a book called the 13th tribe of Israel by Arthur Koestler

Here is some information about him and his book.

The Thirteenth Tribe
The Khazar Empire and its Heritage
By Arthur Koestler

This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in A.D. 740 converted to Judaism. Khazaria, a conglomerate of Aryan Turkic tribes, was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Han, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves migrated to Poland and formed the craddle of Western (Ashkenazim) Jewry...
The Khazars' sway extended from the Black sea to the Caspian, from the Caucasus to the Volga, and they were instrumental in stopping the Muslim onslaught against Byzantium, the eastern jaw of the gigantic pincer movement that in the West swept across northern Africa and into Spain.
Thereafter the Khazars found themselves in a precarious position between the two major world powers: the Eastern Roman Empire in Byzantium and the triumphant followers of Mohammad. As Arthur Koestler points out, the Khazars were the Third World of their day, and they chose a surprising method of resisting both the Western pressure to become Christian and the Eastern to adopt Islam. Rejecting both, they converted to Judaism.
The second part of Mr. Koestler's book deals with the Khazar migration to Polish and Lithuanian territories, caused by the Mongol onslaught, and their impact on the racial composition and social heritage of modern Jewry. He produces a large body of meticulously detailed research in support of a theory that sounds all the more convincing for the restraint with which it is advanced.
Mr. Koestler concludes: "The evidence presented in the previous chapters adds up to a strong case in favor of those modern historians - whether Austrian, Israeli or Polish - who, independently from each other, have argued that the bulk of modern Jewry is not of Palestinian, but of Caucasian origin. The mainstream of Jewish migrations did not flow from the Mediterranean across France and Germany to the east and then back again. The stream moved in a consistently westerly direction, from the Caucasus through the Ukraine into Poland and thence into Central Europe. When that unprecedented mass settlement in Poland came into being, there were simply not enough Jews around in the west to account for it, while in the east a whole nation was on the move to new frontiers" ( page 179, page 180).
"The Jews of our times fall into two main divisions: Sephardim and Ashkenazim.
The Sephardim are descendants of the Jews who since antiquity had lived in Spain (in Hebrew Sepharad) until they were expelled at the end of the fifteenth century and settled in the countries bordering the Mediterranean, the Balkans, and to a lesser extent in Western Europe. They spoke a Spanish-Hebrew dialect, Ladino, and preserved their own traditions and religious rites. In the 1960s, the number of Sephardim was estimated at 500,000.
The Ashkenazim, at the same period, numbered about eleven million. Thus, in common parlance, Jew is practically synonymous with Ashkenazi Jew." ( page 181).
In Mr. Koestler's own words, "The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated."

The history of the Ashkenazi Jews was widely known and appreciated in the former Soviet Union. Ashkenazi militants traced the area where the Turkic Khazars originated before their migration to Southern Russia to Birobidjan, an Eastern Siberian area as big as Switzerland bordered by the Amur river, by China and Mongolia. Around 1928 they started building settlements with the Soviet government's help and in 1934 the Autonomous Republic (Okrug) of Birobidjan Yevrei came into being with official languages of Yiddish and Russian. It is still there as an Autonomous Republic to this day, offering the only historically legitimate settlement area for Ashkenazi Jews willing to exercise their "right to return"...

Mr. Koestler was an Ashkenazi Jew and took pride in his Khazar ancestry. He was also a very talented and successful writer who published over 25 novels and essays. His most successful book, Darkness at Noon, was translated in thirty-three languages.
As expected, The Thirteenth Tribe caused a stir when published in 1976, since it demolishes ancient racial and ethnic dogmas...At the height of the controversy in 1983, the lifeless bodies of Arthur Koestler and his wife were found in their London home. Despite significant inconsistencies, the police ruled their death a suicide...Another Mossad "suicide"!

The wars in the Middle East are going on mostly to protect a people that never should have claimed that land. You cannot return to a land that you never occupied. If we are the Hebrews, the land is ours. Think about it. The dry bones in the valley will return.

Here are some interesting links for you. All are videos

Breakdown of 12 tribes of Israel
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This is gentile

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Take a look at this info:
... the teaching that the Law of God was superseded by or in opposition to the grace of God did not originate with Paul, but developed as a result of the heretic Marcion's interpretation of Paul's writings. Marcion, who died about 160 A.D. rejected the Old Testament completely. He believed, through the influence of Gnosticism, a demiurgic notion that the God of the Old Testament was cruel and a totally different God. He was so consumed with the belief that Paul's message of God's grace opposed God's Law that he only kept an edited portion of Paul's writings that agreed with his theology. Marcion's theology was so foreign to God's Word that the great pastor Polycarp, who was a student of John, called him the "first-born of Satan." Marcion went to Rome about 139 A.D. and made a generous gift to the church, but after examining his views the church gave back his money and excommunicated him. Marcion founded his own church which merged Gnosticism and orthodox Christianity, creating a theology that was sharply dualistic, violently antagonistic to Judaism, strictly ascetic, celibate, and yielded a wide and destructive influence in Christendom. Unfortunately, some modern Christians have unknowingly endorsed his ideas.

Later Augustine, a Roman Catholic monk, championed Marcion's ideas about grace opposing God's Law and made it a major part of church theology. At the time of the Reformation, men such as John Wycliffe with his first manuscript English Bible , and Miles Coverdale the English translator of the first printed English Bible were heavily influenced by Augustine. In 1514 Coverdale was ordained a priest and later entered the Augustine Monastery at Cambridge. The notion of grace over Law was accelerated when the French Reformer John Calvin endorsed this position in his "Institutes of Christian Religion," which became the guide for the Reformed Churches of Protestantism.

In the New Testament what appears to be the substitution of grace for Law is nothing more than a difference in the way God's eternal principles of Law are manifested. In the Old Testament the principle of sacrifice was portrayed through animals, but in the New Testament Christ is ever fulfilling that dimension of the Law as the "Lamb of God." Each time a life is redeemed, the spirit of the Law with the principles of sacrifice and priesthood of the Messiah is even more evident today than before.

What was Paul's intent when he taught that the letter of the Law kills? It is obvious that he did not mean the Law of God is bad and will put one in bondage, as is suggested by these words today. Paul kept the Law and encouraged Hebrews everywhere to do the same . We should remember this statement was written to the Gentiles at Corinth, never to Hebrew believers [II Corinthians 3:61. Even the best qualities of the Law of God have always been referred to as "ministration of death" to those in sin. The purpose being that the very intent of the Law is to expose and define sin. For the Gentile converts to try to keep a Hebrew lifestyle without the godly disciplined background, it would become a bondage that was neither necessary nor proper. In this context Paul said the letter of the Law kills, but he went on to point out that the spirit of the Law gives life. Paul was addressing salvation to the Gentiles and concerning this issue the letter of the Law is death and only through the spirit can life come. The summary of Paul's view is found in his statement to the Romans "for the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and death ... that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in me" [Romans 8:2-4].

If we were to ask the Apostle Paul why the Law was given and if it had any effect on the world today, the Scriptural Text gives us his answers. We would expect to receive the same answer he gave to the Romans "that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God" [Romans 3:19]. The most significant tribute to God's Law comes from the Saviour when He said, whosoever does and teaches the Law will be great in the Kingdom of Heaven [Matthew 5:19]. The sad truth is that since the turn of the century, various new ideas have been substituted for the teaching of God's Law and standard in Christendom to the extent that Mr. Finney's above three areas of warning concerning the Law have been self-fulfilling.


I thought I might add we talk about the Law of Moses or the Mosaic Law all God's Law. the Law wa Here From the beginning. Noah separated the clean from the unclean way back in Genesis. Cain and Able knew the Laws of sacrificing to God. Before the Law was reiterated on Mt Sinai, the children of Israel were to not go out for manna on the Sabbath. God Blessed and made Holy the Sabbath at creation.