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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 22, 2010 17:46:42 GMT -5
I will pray that the truth be revealed.... These men heard the Word being preach against Homosexuality and know right from wrong, what make them victims? Why they didn't go to another Bishop to get help?.... I will just pray and wait for the truth to come out.... I will not judge Bishop.... But I want to know the motive of these young men and why they have stolen, Bishop's Ipod and Iphone and other items from his office?
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 22, 2010 18:29:10 GMT -5
I will pray that the truth be revealed.... These men heard the Word being preach against Homosexuality and know right from wrong, what make them victims? Why they didn't go to another Bishop to get help?.... I will just pray and wait for the truth to come out.... I will not judge Bishop.... But I want to know the motive of these young men and why they have stolen, Bishop's Ipod and Iphone and other items from his office? Praying that the truth will be revealed is good. Waiting for the truth to come out is also good. Not judging is also good, but why does not judging only apply to the accused. Shouldn't we also not judge the alleged victims/accusers? Of the accused you say "I will not judge Bishop" Yet, of the alleged victims/accusers you say: 1-"these men heard the word being preach agains homosexuality and know right from wrong" 2-"what makes them victims" 3-"why didn't they go to another Bishop and get help" 4-"i want to know the motive of these young men" 5- "why have they stolen Bishops ipod, iphone and other items from his office" Why the double standard? One could say of the Bishop that he heard and preached himself against homosexuality. One could ask why didn't he go to another bishop and get help. One could ask what was his motive? But all you say of him is "I will not judge Bishop" Then I would say don't judge the alleged victims/accusers either. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 22, 2010 21:00:20 GMT -5
Yes, we should not rush to judgment on either side. The fact of the matter is that we may actually never know the truth in this matter. But of course, God knows.
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Post by giantsdodie on Sept 22, 2010 21:31:15 GMT -5
Are you KIDDING ME ??!!!!!!! Matthew 5 10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Ephesians 5:3 (New International Version) 3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Reading the court documents prompted me to ask this question. Obviously, there is enough detailed information for some of these accusations to be true. So, in this case I don't believe all of these "evil sayings are FALSE"... BTW...there is no reason to yell. It's just a question and not an attack on you personally. A) not yelling.. more or less just surprised... B) why would i tale it personally  |
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 22, 2010 22:43:16 GMT -5
I will pray that the truth be revealed.... These men heard the Word being preach against Homosexuality and know right from wrong, what make them victims? Why they didn't go to another Bishop to get help?.... I will just pray and wait for the truth to come out.... I will not judge Bishop.... But I want to know the motive of these young men and why they have stolen, Bishop's Ipod and Iphone and other items from his office? Praying that the truth will be revealed is good. Waiting for the truth to come out is also good. Not judging is also good, but why does not judging only apply to the accused. Shouldn't we also not judge the alleged victims/accusers? Of the accused you say "I will not judge Bishop" Yet, of the alleged victims/accusers you say: 1-"these men heard the word being preach agains homosexuality and know right from wrong" 2-"what makes them victims" 3-"why didn't they go to another Bishop and get help" 4-"i want to know the motive of these young men" 5- "why have they stolen Bishops ipod, iphone and other items from his office" Why the double standard? One could say of the Bishop that he heard and preached himself against homosexuality. One could ask why didn't he go to another bishop and get help. One could ask what was his motive? But all you say of him is "I will not judge Bishop" Then I would say don't judge the alleged victims/accusers either. Ok... I shouldn't automatically down the accusers/victims... This is why leaders need to be under a group of leaders for accountabilities.... and member should have access to those leaders, so the church dirty laundry won't be boardcast in the media... It greives by spirit. An old friend of my has joined his church back in January... He live in NJ and travel every two weeks to Atlanta.... He is a CPA and now just started working with the finance at New Birth... He left his previous church because he was tired seeing his pastor's open gay sons in church. He was the first person I ever witness to, when I was a babe in Christ. I just don't want him to get hurt... he is so excited about his new home church and the work he doing there. He working closely with Bishop. He even expanded his business to Altanta .... They are half-way through a 21 days fast and pray... I will pray from those young men too. |
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Post by leadinglady on Sept 23, 2010 1:56:14 GMT -5
This is such a blow to the church at large. My heart really goes out to Bishop Long, his wife and children, as well as his church family. We really must pray for those affected in any way. My concern is this: For too long the church's posture is that "the church's dirty laundry shouldn't be aired outside the church". I find this to be problematic, especially if a crime has been committed, such as coercion and of preying upon those who are emotionally vulnerable, or under age. (I'm not implying that Bishop long is guilty in any way). If the secular, professional community can hold those in authority to a higher standard and make them accountable to a code of ethics to insure that the counselor, lawyer, social worker, psychologist relationship are not breached when dealing with those under their charge or care, then the same standards should be applied to the christian leaders when they cross these kind of boundaries with members under their ministries. I have known pastors and ministers who misuse their authority by going against the holy spirit, and their own conscience, and take sexual advantage of weak members when they should know better, then the incidents are "pushed under the rug" and not dealt with, or the victim is blamed.
Many who come to the church look up to leaders and don't expect to be wounded by those who stand in authority, and should be in a position to help instead of destroying someones life. I know a woman who was raped by a pastor at the age of 8. You can't get her to attend any church to this day, and it is difficult witnessing to her about God. A pastor or minister who causes pain in this matter should have to answer not only to God, but also to the laws of the land, and not hide behind the church.
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Post by leadinglady on Sept 23, 2010 2:09:45 GMT -5
I will say this, if Bishop Long is persecuted for righteousness sake, I pray that God will put a deep down holy anger in his spirit and stir him up to declare war upon that homosexual spirit with such tenacity that Satan will regret ever lying on him.
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Post by teebee on Sept 23, 2010 9:07:22 GMT -5
When I first heard the news it literally took my breath away. The first thing that came to mine was the church is taking another powerful and pitiful blow. I was speechless. Not because I think Bishop Long or anyone is infallable, but because of the very negative attention on the church once again. And the many, many people who are affected by the news whether it's true or not. In reading the court documents, I must agree with KB, the information is too detailed for some of the accusations not to be true. My question is...Do you believe God would allow such an assassination of character to happen to a man or woman who is truly striving to live a righteous and holy life? While I do understand that we all suffer attacks from the enemy simply because we follow Christ...but an assassination of character that completely destroys your witness is an altogether different situation. My answer is yes. It’s interesting that you use this phrase -- “striving to live a righteous and holy life” because I think that even if the allegations are TRUE then BL would probably still be in the category of one “striving to live a righteous and holy life.” I know that myself and probably all of you on here would fit in that category, yet when I’m honest I must admit that even in the midst of “striving to live a righteous and holy life” I have been tempted VERY STRONGLY to do/say things that I know are wrong. The difference between me and BL if these allegations are true is that I: 1) admitted to MYSELF that I was being tempted and that the action would be WRONG (no justification for it); 2) took this information as a warning from the Holy Spirit that I am treading on thin ice and am about to be in sin and in it already as it regards my thought life (“to look upon someone to lust after them is adultery already”) 3) STOPPED fanning the flames that were strengthening the temptation 4) confessed to those who could provide some accountability for me and ran away from the person that I found tempting. If I had done none of these things, then I even in the midst of “striving to live a righteous and holy life” would have been in sin and ended up in the same sexual sinful boat as BL if these allegations are true. (My temptation was not same sex attraction to youth but it was still a sinful sexual temptation). My point is that all of of us serious, believing, Spirit-filled Christians are just a few decisions away from being in the same boat. The Bible tells us how to handle temptation. The Holy Spirit who is the Spirit of Truth warns us when we are treading on dangerous ground. If we don’t heed the Word and the Holy Spirit and we continue on pass all of those stop signs and warning bells, then the dreaded end of exposure for all to see is the end result. Fortunately, even after the exposure before the whole world, one can still be healed and restored. It’s just a much more painful and embarrassing experience than if we had sought out healing and deliverance at the beginning. |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 23, 2010 14:58:44 GMT -5
When I first heard the news it literally took my breath away. The first thing that came to mine was the church is taking another powerful and pitiful blow. I was speechless. Not because I think Bishop Long or anyone is infallable, but because of the very negative attention on the church once again. And the many, many people who are affected by the news whether it's true or not. In reading the court documents, I must agree with KB, the information is too detailed for some of the accusations not to be true. My question is...Do you believe God would allow such an assassination of character to happen to a man or woman who is truly striving to live a righteous and holy life? While I do understand that we all suffer attacks from the enemy simply because we follow Christ...but an assassination of character that completely destroys your witness is an altogether different situation. My answer is yes. It’s interesting that you use this phrase -- “striving to live a righteous and holy life” because I think that even if the allegations are TRUE then BL would probably still be in the category of one “striving to live a righteous and holy life.” I know that myself and probably all of you on here would fit in that category, yet when I’m honest I must admit that even in the midst of “striving to live a righteous and holy life” I have been tempted VERY STRONGLY to do/say things that I know are wrong. The difference between me and BL if these allegations are true is that I: 1) admitted to MYSELF that I was being tempted and that the action would be WRONG (no justification for it); 2) took this information as a warning from the Holy Spirit that I am treading on thin ice and am about to be in sin and in it already as it regards my thought life (“to look upon someone to lust after them is adultery already”) 3) STOPPED fanning the flames that were strengthening the temptation 4) confessed to those who could provide some accountability for me and ran away from the person that I found tempting. If I had done none of these things, then I even in the midst of “striving to live a righteous and holy life” would have been in sin and ended up in the same sexual sinful boat as BL if these allegations are true. (My temptation was not same sex attraction to youth but it was still a sinful sexual temptation). My point is that all of of us serious, believing, Spirit-filled Christians are just a few decisions away from being in the same boat. The Bible tells us how to handle temptation. The Holy Spirit who is the Spirit of Truth warns us when we are treading on dangerous ground. If we don’t heed the Word and the Holy Spirit and we continue on pass all of those stop signs and warning bells, then the dreaded end of exposure for all to see is the end result. Fortunately, even after the exposure before the whole world, one can still be healed and restored. It’s just a much more painful and embarrassing experience than if we had sought out healing and deliverance at the beginning. Although I understand what you're saying....something about this seems "not right"...not sure what tho. I do know that you can fall into different things even with doing those things..... I remember talking to someone by which we all can remember that one "yes" but noone takes into the fact of the 100's of "no's" before that.....and of course we know that had it not been for the grace of God, we could've been in the same situation.... you know what? I think that the way I read it, it would appear that you're saying that you're "better" than Bishop Long....which I don't think is what you're trying to say.... I know I'm probably not making much sense...can anyone help me? :-) |
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 23, 2010 18:56:19 GMT -5
Very interesting in hindsight:
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 23, 2010 20:21:57 GMT -5
i saw the clip a couple of hours ago. according to my brief online research, the clip was from a service that actually took place in january 2010.
i actually watched a 2nd one called try the spirits by the spirit and took notes for both clips.
what stuck out for me is the point he was trying to make in both clips that sometimes we think because we are still operating in our gifts, that we are still walking in the will of God, when there can be times when that is not the case. he brought out all to whom jesus will say "depart from me, i never knew you" when their gifts were still in operation. i'm paraphrasing, but that's the understanding i got of what he was trying to say.
he also said we sometimes get more caught up in our gifts than in the fruit our gifts should produce. WOW. i pray i keep that in the forefront of my spiritual eye from this day forward.
lastly i love how he says "god is the only one who will fire you and let you keep working." he used saul, king for 40 years, anointed for about 2, and adam, the day you eat you shall die, yet he lived nine hundred and some years.
by the way, i know almost nothing about these big named preachers and prophets and apostles. i never heard of this guy before today, but i enjoyed the two clips i watched and gleaned much from them.
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 23, 2010 22:55:18 GMT -5
I actually watched Brian Carn conduct this revival live via streaming video. It was at The River Church in Durham, NC.
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Post by teebee on Sept 24, 2010 10:06:38 GMT -5
you know what? I think that the way I read it, it would appear that you're saying that you're "better" than Bishop Long....which I don't think is what you're trying to say.... :-) No, I'm not saying that at all. Sorry that you misunderstood. |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 29, 2010 6:51:27 GMT -5
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Post by kitty on Sept 29, 2010 11:54:01 GMT -5
Hey Guys, I just took the time to listen to Brian Carn.... I thought the message Krazeboi posted was really timely! All I can say is "Lord I don't want to be fired before I get started" !LOL Amen! But also this... Why is it that after some top preacher gets busted for not living up to the standard that the Lord sets the first thing we all want to do is declare that she person should be able to continue preaching? I though that this clip of Brian Carn answered that.... It is because we as people get to tied to a person's gift rather than whether or not they are truly following God! That we in the church don't know how to seek the presence of God anymore! How true! I think we rush to want someone to be "restored" when that may not even be God's desire for them to preach again! We forget that God is ALWAYS able to call someone else... His hands are not tied... He also has someone ready for when we fall short.... Someone even better..... Kitty |
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