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Post by Nikkol on Dec 16, 2010 11:30:38 GMT -5
Here is a recent FB status that ppl are quoting..... what are your thoughts? "So let me get this "straight". Larry King is getting his 8th divorce, Liz Taylor is possibly getting married for the 9th time, Britney Spears has a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods are screwing everything, and the DIVORCE rate in America is 50%! Yet the idea of same sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage??? Really???! Repost if you agree. Proud to support equal rights for all."
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Post by krazeeboi on Dec 18, 2010 23:58:08 GMT -5
There's a valid point to be made there, but the argument really shouldn't be that gay marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage. It should be that society's stamp of approval on gay relationships via marriage will accelerate societal breakdown. However, that can be a hard point to make being that there's already a big breakdown happening now with heterosexuals leading the way.
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Post by Nikkol on Dec 21, 2010 8:10:08 GMT -5
That's true. The breakdown has been going on for YEARS. It's very sad....esp when the numbers are so high EVEN within the church. I was on F&F message board who was talking about the same thing HERE...some interesting comments.....Most of which can be debated....but I didn't feel like it....this time...LOL. |
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Post by kitty on Dec 22, 2010 10:09:24 GMT -5
Hey Guys,
It's really sad to see.... But more and more I feel am beginning to see just how much marriage is being attacked. For me the whole gay marriage thing is just the pandora's box. It's what's coming next that is truly horrible.... Polygamy... and other forms of "poly" relationships which really take an old concept of "swinging" to a new ugly level. Where married couples have not just sex sessions but "relationships" with other people in which both the husband and wife have sex with that person.
I believe the goal of satan is to prevent married couples from honoring their marriages and to keep single folks from ever developing the right relationships so that they can be married. The strangest thing however is the fact that even within the "homosexual" relationships one person takes on the form of the woman and another takes on the form of the man. Thus the devil trying to mimic what God created....
The devil is indeed truly crafty... He attacks marriage on all angles which is why the above FB status seems like a good arguement. Just it is just the devil trying to come up with false evidence to prove his case. Two wrongs don't make a right...
Kitty
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Post by kitty on Dec 22, 2010 10:27:46 GMT -5
hey Guys,
Just in case you all want some answers to these facebook status running around here is some information that I got from the Family Research Committee.
How would allowing same-sex couples to marry change society's concept of marriage?
For one thing, it would reinforce many of the negative changes described above. As an example, marriage will open wide the door to homosexual adoption, which will simply lead to more children suffering the negative consequences of growing up without both a mother and a father.
Among homosexual men in particular, casual sex, rather than committed relationships, is the rule and not the exception. And even when they do enter into a more committed relationship, it is usually of relatively short duration. For example, a study of homosexual men in the Netherlands (the first country in the world to legalize "marriage" for same-sex couples), published in the journal AIDS in 2003, found that the average length of "steady partnerships" was not more than 2 < years (Maria Xiridou et al., in AIDS 2003, 17:1029-1038).
In addition, studies have shown that even homosexual men who are in "committed" relationships are not sexually faithful to each other. While infidelity among heterosexuals is much too common, it does not begin to compare to the rates among homosexual men. The 1994 National Health and Social Life Survey, which remains the most comprehensive study of Americans' sexual practices ever undertaken, found that 75 percent of married men and 90 percent of married women had been sexually faithful to their spouse. On the other hand, a major study of homosexual men in "committed" relationships found that only seven out of 156 had been sexually faithful, or 4.5 percent. The Dutch study cited above found that even homosexual men in "steady partnerships" had an average of eight "casual" sex partners per year.
So if same-sex relationships are legally recognized as "marriage," the idea of marriage as a sexually exclusive and faithful relationship will be dealt a serious blow. Adding monogamy and faithfulness to the other pillars of marriage that have already fallen will have overwhelmingly negative consequences for Americans' physical and mental health.
If you want people to be faithful and monogamous, shouldn't you grant same-sex couples the right to marry in order to encourage that?
Some have argued that marriage will change the behavior of homosexuals, but it is far more plausible that the behavior of homosexuals will change people's idea of marriage, further undermining the concepts that marriage is a lifelong commitment and that sex should be confined to marriage.
The entire "gay liberation" movement has been but a part of the larger sexual liberation movement whose fundamental tenet is that anybody should be able to have sex with anybody they want any time they want. To suggest that the crowning achievement of that pro-homosexual movement--obtaining society's ultimate stamp of approval through civil marriage--is suddenly going to result in these "liberated" homosexuals settling down into faithful, monogamous, childrearing is foolishly naive..
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Post by Nikkol on Dec 23, 2010 8:09:11 GMT -5
Hey Kitty...
The only "issue" (using that word LIGHTLY) with the studies is that they're very old...the most recent that was listed in the article was 2003, which is 7 yrs old..... anything more recent?
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Post by kitty on Dec 23, 2010 9:25:07 GMT -5
Hey Nikkol,
Although the study is 7 years old it is still considered current. There hasn't been much that has changed in the last 7 years. Maybe if it was 10 or 15 years old I could see u questioning it. I also I post the article because it is discussing the behavior of so called "gay married men" in the Netherlands where gay marriage is legal. I think we can make the assumption that the study would show that there isn't much of a change in their of sleeping around.
However just the same I was also looking for a more recent article that I read not to long ago that showed how honestly the gay communities really DO want to change the idea that marriage should include monogamy stating that it is simply "out dated". However I wasn't able to find that article again..
Kitty
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Post by Beck on Mar 9, 2011 14:29:37 GMT -5
There's a valid point to be made there, but the argument really shouldn't be that gay marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage. It should be that society's stamp of approval on gay relationships via marriage will accelerate societal breakdown. However, that can be a hard point to make being that there's already a big breakdown happening now with heterosexuals leading the way. In my opinion... just because Man has failed at keeping the purpose of marriage holy and pure..it should not take away from the original purpose of marriage. God created it, and divorce was not in his original plans for marriage.. but was allowed because of the hardness of the peoples heart. Also its comparing divorce to gay marriage.. two separate issues... |
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Post by Rachel2 on Mar 9, 2011 16:00:24 GMT -5
Hey Beck, glad to know you are still around brother. I hope life has been treating you well.
I concur, no matter the state of marriage in the church or society today, it still does not negate what the bible states....marriage is between a man and a woman period. God has not and will not change His word just because we have become blind, weak and foolish.
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Post by Beck on Mar 10, 2011 10:02:41 GMT -5
Hey Beck, glad to know you are still around brother. I hope life has been treating you well. I concur, no matter the state of marriage in the church or society today, it still does not negate what the bible states....marriage is between a man a woman period. God has not and will not change His word just because we have become blind, weak and foolish. Victory Sister! Yes, I'm still around. I kinda forgot about this place. How have you been? I'm doing well... I have a small fellowship in Philly that the Lord has blessed me with. I am happy and thankful. your points are on time... I don't care if the divorce rate is 99% that does not give man the authority or the right to change what God has ordained to be. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Mar 11, 2011 19:03:08 GMT -5
You guys forget, the argument is being tailored to non-Christians. So one has to appeal to social norms and such to make an effective argument. Just saying "the Bible said it" won't cut it with these people.
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Post by giantsdodie on Mar 13, 2011 10:51:35 GMT -5
Hello..
and the answer is very simple...
Timothy 4
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
2 Timothy 3 (King James Version)
2 Timothy 3
1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Here endeth the lesson.
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Post by Rachel2 on Mar 14, 2011 16:17:50 GMT -5
Beck, I'm glad that you are doing well and that the Lord is blessing you in ministry. If I'm ever in Philly, I will come by. I am sure that I will be blessed. As for me, I'm good. Focusing on the plan that God has for my life.
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