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Post by Nikkol on Sept 13, 2011 8:26:33 GMT -5
*sigh*... SMH.
I still feel like the wrong person "won"......
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Post by Rachel2 on Sept 13, 2011 15:31:10 GMT -5
Why do you feel like the wrong person won?
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 14, 2011 6:55:33 GMT -5
Because they both could sing....but one was very annointed and sang.....even the judges talked every week about how Amber wasn't really "pulling" the people into worship and on some songs she took away from the words due to her "style". She could sing, don't get me wrong....but for me as she sang I was like "that was a good note to sing, etc" vs Andrea who didn't have a lot of runs but you could really feel the presence of God as her desire was definitely to usher the people into knowing who Jesus was.
I was very disappointed....I mean last year, Leandria won and she was another very anointed lady.
Either way, I can't wait until Andrea comes out with a CD because I KNOW that someone's gonna pick her up
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 16, 2011 21:43:49 GMT -5
First, let me say that I was EXTREMELY disappointed with the judging this year. It seems to be inconsistent from year to year, but this year was "yuck."
Here are my thoughts: Michael Pugh should have never gotten eliminated and should have won, hands down. He sung flawlessly every time and took us STRAIGHT in more than once. He had the right combo.
Andrea Helms is great. She's anointed and I enjoyed her very much and will more than likely pick up her project once it drops. But here's where I had a problem: the judges said on more than one occasion that she messed up but was still able to "recover" or whatever terminology they used, yet she was still a finalist. Yet Mama Sue didn't hit all the right notes in one song, and in every song before that she just straight-up FLOORED us, yet she got eliminated. I don't get that and thought that was very unfair.
Truth be told, I didn't pay too much attention to either Amber or Andrea very early in the competition because Michael and Mama Sue grabbed the spotlight early on and I thought for sure they would have been the two finalists. But out of the two, I thought Amber should have won it because she is flat-out the better singer, is more diverse in her delivery, and can take you in. She's multi-dimensional and I felt as though Andrea was more one-sided, even though I love the way she displays her gift. The fact of the matter is that this is a competition, so skill and technique count for a lot. If it's only about the anointing, don't make it a competition at all and just give every singer you think is anointed a record deal and be done with it.
So out of the two left, I think the right person one. But I'm still #teammichaelpugh all the way!!! "That boy good!"
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Post by giantsdodie on Sept 18, 2011 10:00:56 GMT -5
Im going to be very honest here.
1) The brother should not have been sent home
2) I am tired of people who know how to sing gospel and therefore they KNOW what we as people of color react to and know how to milk it
3) Everything we call the anointing AINT the anointing
4) Last but not least, and Ill catch some heat for this ( but yall know thats never bothered me anyway ) The white girl shoulda won.. but she didnt cause she was white. Im suprised she got that far.
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Post by Rachel2 on Sept 19, 2011 12:23:39 GMT -5
Truth be told, I didn't pay too much attention to either Amber or Andrea very early in the competition because Michael and Mama Sue grabbed the spotlight early on and I thought for sure they would have been the two finalists. But out of the two, I thought Amber should have won it because she is flat-out the better singer, is more diverse in her delivery, and can take you in. She's multi-dimensional and I felt as though Andrea was more one-sided, even though I love the way she displays her gift. The fact of the matter is that this is a competition, so skill and technique count for a lot. If it's only about the anointing, don't make it a competition at all and just give every singer you think is anointed a record deal and be done with it. So out of the two left, I think the right person one. But I'm still #teammichaelpugh all the way!!! "That boy good!" KB I couldn't agree with you more. Everyone seems to have forgotten this is a competition and Amber in my opinion is the better singer because of her vocal range as well as stage presence. Also I have known her since she was age 4 and she has been singing gospel music all of her life, she didn't just start singing yesterday which is quite evident. I know personally that she was raised in a God fearing family that still believes in holy living, regardless of what the naysayers think. No one is perfect not even the ones who are hating on her. She definitely overcame many, many adversities to win the prize. As she said in the interview when she went for the audition her statement was "Lord let your will be done." and apparently His will was done. She won so get over it. I can guarantee she has moved on! |
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 19, 2011 17:43:11 GMT -5
4) Last but not least, and Ill catch some heat for this ( but yall know thats never bothered me anyway ) The white girl shoulda won.. but she didnt cause she was white. Im suprised she got that far. I think she was kept as long as she was in part BECAUSE she was White. I think the powers-that-be wanted a little reverse affirmative action "diversity." That's even easier to see in light of the fact that, as I mentioned earlier, Mama Sue didn't hit all of the notes on ONE song and got sent home although she brought the heat on all the others, and Andrea obviously missed notes on more than one song but the judges kept her until the end. She didn't lose because she was White; she lost because people aren't stupid and could see that the judging was inconsistent, although they may have really liked her. Oh yeah, and co-sign on your comment about the anointing. So true. |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 20, 2011 13:08:07 GMT -5
Michael could sing...but honestly, a lot of his "being able to stay power" had to do more than the organist....the organist helped him a LOT (ie playing the right chords, etc). He went home because in his opportunity to pick a song, the song he picked was horrible. It was bad for his voice and didn't have enough "organ" to cover him like he did the other times. *organ can work wonders*
Mama Sue was ok...but I think she kinda stayed long to be like the "goldwire" of this season. And the time she went home, I remember being in the other room and wondering "Who in the world is that screaming" just to come in and see it was her singing.... so it was time for her to go home.
Additionally, you could tell that Amber isn't using to singing as much as Andrea because her last performance wasn't very good and you could tell that her voice was tired....reminds me of the Clay/Ruben finale. (and personally, I'm just not a fan of feeling like I'm riding waves when ppl sing...many times it takes away from the actual WORDS and their meaning).
I did think that maybe her color had something to do with it....on some comments, they said that since it was on BET and not a station that ALL ppl probably watch meant that it was going to be moreso "one-sided".
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 20, 2011 15:54:45 GMT -5
I disagree when it comes to Michael. Nikkol, you may just be saying that since he was very "churchy" and churchy songs are carried by the Hammond, but the brother has MAJOR vocal skills and his Broadway performance (with no B3) solidified that. I wouldn't say that the last song he picked was "horrible," but it can be difficult singing certain worship songs within a time restraint and I think that's where he messed up a bit. But let's be honest, the great musicians and background singers helped everybody in one way or the other.
I also disagree with Mama Sue being the "Goldwire" of this season, because neither her or Goldwire were charity acts and deserved to last as long as they did. They both have a maturity and depth to their voices that only come with time--plus, Mama Sue didn't have any "gimmicks" like doing a bunch of dancing like Elder McClendon had, LOL. The episode where Mama Sue got eliminated was the same one in which Andrea sounded just as bad, but Andrea just happened to pick a more emotional song whereas Mama Sue picked a more upbeat song.
I didn't see the last episode so I can't really comment on Amber's performance.
It's also hard to say that Andrea got eliminated because the show was on BET. If the show was on TBN, the bias probably would have been in her favor. If it were on a secular mainstream music channel, like MTV or VH1, Amber would have still won because the audience would have paid more attention to skill and technique.
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 21, 2011 11:34:11 GMT -5
"major vocal skills?" No. He honestly sounds like the typical guy that I hear all the time in many Philly churches. Nothing "original" and nothing "that stands out". But he could sing. I will agree with that. However, on many of the "churchy" songs, we know that it was the Hammond that was the MAIN driver. At the same time, (I wish I could find online him singing the broadway song), I don't know if anything really stood out to me....part of me was thinking "I wish he coulda watched the movie so he could express the song in the "place" that it was sang (Sound of Music). While although I didn't like the song that Andrea did, it did remind me of Barbara Streisand (as much as I STILL don't really like her voice)...so she did it better than I believe Michael did at least from the "performance" and "believable" realm.
(I will say that sometimes, the background singers didn't help....almost came in "dissapointingly")
Mama Sue and Goldwire were the "older generation/seasoned saint" ppl. It was enjoyable to listen to them (except her last performance which to me was torturous)...*trying to locate mama sue's last performance as well*
Well, whether she won or not based on BET could be anyone's game.....who knows.... I will be curious to see their albums. I expect that Amber will have a more contemporary album but I'm hoping that Andrea doesn't because what I HATE is when you have someone that has a certain style all f a sudden be forced to sing "other styles" and what you felt and saw then isn't portrayed in their album. I know a few artists even in Philly that could bring down the anointing and draw ppl into His presence...but when I bought their CD, I wanted to honestly turn back around and take it back to the store for a refund and maybe even for the gas/miles to pick up the CD.....
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 22, 2011 18:05:34 GMT -5
"major vocal skills?" No. He honestly sounds like the typical guy that I hear all the time in many Philly churches. Nothing "original" and nothing "that stands out". I strongly disagree with that. I know what good singing sounds like, having lived in the Charlotte area where some major singers hail from (Donald Lawrence, John P. Kee, etc.) and now living in the Atlanta area where they come a dime a dozen, and I didn't hear anything "typical," at least from my neck of the woods. His voice has a very strong quality, he does very well from a control aspect, and he has good range. I heard he's sung backup for some major label singers, which I can believe. I also think there's a certain sincerety to him and his singing, similar to Andrea in that regard. When is the Hammond NOT the "main driver" on any churchy song, no matter who's singing it? LOL The B3 is what defines "churchy" in any setting. But that doesn't mean he couldn't sing. I can't say what the songs sounded like in the original musicals, but in the same way you don't think Michael's voice is original or doesn't stand out, I feel the same way about Andrea's voice. From an industry perspective, she would come across as basically a gospelfied regurgitation of Vicki Yohi and Martha Munizzi. But maybe she'll go more of the contemporary Christian route; who's to say. What I've found from my discussions on FB is that the people who prefer praise & worship type Gospel were more pro-Andrea, whereas the people who preferred more traditional, churchy Gospel (like myself) were pro-Micheal and pro-Mama Sue. 1:28, 1:58 was where the song really sounded strained. Here is Andrea's performance from that same night: 1:48, 2:19 was where Andrea sounded just as strained. I think what saved Andrea is that she stuck with the type of song that connected most with the audience while she was on the show: the slow worship type of songs. Had Mama Sue done the same, the outcome might have been different that night. From a purely musical standpoint, they were both subpar IMO. This is another thing that struck me about the judging this year. In previous years, the judges, mainly the sisters, would dismiss people in auditions because they felt as though they didn't have enough "crossover appeal" even if they might have been talented. I guess they dropped that this year, but I thought that's how they were marketing the show. Confusing to say the least--at least for me. Otherwise, I agree with you on that point. |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 23, 2011 7:48:02 GMT -5
I strongly disagree with that. I know what good singing sounds like, having lived in the Charlotte area where some major singers hail from (Donald Lawrence, John P. Kee, etc.) and now living in the Atlanta area where they come a dime a dozen, and I didn't hear anything "typical," at least from my neck of the woods. His voice has a very strong quality, he does very well from a control aspect, and he has good range. I heard he's sung backup for some major label singers, which I can believe. I also think there's a certain sincerety to him and his singing, similar to Andrea in that regard. I got no words if you think that DLawrence and JPKee are good singers....LOL. No issue in reference to sincerity in his singing ability or that he can't sing backup or has a good "range"....however, it's what I'm use to hearing from most good male tenors Actually, there's a "new" Hammond that ppl are talking about...can't remember what it's called but it's giving the B3 a run for it's money. LOL. And the Hammond is NOT the main driver when you have someone playing that sounds a mess and it's the singer that drives the song....I've heard both where the organ was a mess or the singer as well as when both sound a HOT MESS..... SN: I don't think I ever said that he could NOT sing... I am not a fan of Martha's voice at all....she is SO NASAL and it bothers me to hear her sing...although she has some really nice songs. (will have to listen to her versus Vicki Yohi)...but even if she's like those two, I could probably name even more than that in the "gospel industry" let alone hearing that as the norm in many of our black men that are "allowed" to sing solos or sing in groups....then again, even if she's a "gospelfied regurgitation", it's not something that most would be used to hearing. But I could probably pick any CD that has a male lead and hear the soloist who sounds VERY similar to Michael. But like I said, it's not that he can't sing...just not original....Now vs someone like Bebe who has a very distinct voice.... I like both. However, I don't like yelling/screaming (Mama Sue)....although she's good for church setting. If I'm in church, hearing Mama Sue is good but even then it kind of speaks of her like her name...a "grandmother" in church... which many not be as "CD worthy esp since we have a Shirley Ceasar, Dottie Peoples, etc....at the same time I appreciated her desire to not sing a "secular love song" for "Sunday's Best"... Granted I am NOT a fan of the first two season winners at all...but Leandria will do well along with Amber. Possible.....but connecting with the audience is KEY..... That's the ONLY reason why I can now say that some ppl can't sing at ALL but because they connect with the congregation and are anointed makes the difference.... Granted for me, when I listened to her, the thoughts that came to my mind were "awww....she so cute...like a grandma". I FORGOT you're in ATL. If I woulda remembered, I woulda told you when I had come down there so I could finally meet the person that wants to argue with a person who's always right. LOL. All in all...not many disagreements with what you've been saying....tho Ima be waiting for Andrea's CD....have you possibly purchased Leandria's? |
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