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Post by Jasmine on Apr 11, 2007 18:02:22 GMT -5
anybody going to start a thread.
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 12, 2007 9:34:44 GMT -5
Ok I will bite ;D......
What are people so upset about?
Are we upset because he said "nappy head" or are we (general) mad because he called women the "h" word?
What's the big deal?
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 12, 2007 10:55:17 GMT -5
lol. probally both.
but i will bite too..He said it, it was harsh, it was wrong.
My thought:
When we continue to degrade ourselves, or allow "artists" to continue to degrade us, which by the way they have called black women much worse, why is it such an uproar when someone outside of the black race begins to throw around the words.
besides the fact that its disrespectful, racist, and we should have all been taught better..Where is the uproar against these artists who are selling millions calling black females any and everything. We also cannot forget or rather excuse that the executives of these major record labels, are also middle aged white men saying what should be included in these top hits.
If we continue to allow ourselves to degrade one another, why should we care if other races are doing it?
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 12, 2007 13:04:48 GMT -5
BISHOP T.D. JAKES: And The Clergy Speaks!!!
Revered clergyman Bishop T.D. Jakes is joining the likes of Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton in denouncing the racist remarks that nationally syndicated radio talk show host Don Imus made about the Rutgers University basketball.
Jakes is the senior Pastor/Founder of The Potter's House of Dallas, Inc, -- the largest black church in the region -- a best-selling author, recording artist and television personality.
This afternoon, the holy man who 'Time' magazine dubbed 'America's Best Preacher' in 2001, released a thought-provoking statement, which in essence, asks for a form of protest to take place.
"Trying to be funny" is a justifiable excuse for calling a group of distinguished young African-American women "nappy-headed [whores]," or so says radio talk show host Don Imus about his racial slurs April 4 toward the young ladies of the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Given that Imus and his producer are still employed, one must assume that NBC, their employer, agrees. With this attitude, is it any surprise that racism continues to poison America?
Jesus taught that "What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'" (Matthew 15:11 NIV) The fact remains that Imus' unprovoked racial slurs -- which sadly appear to be part of a personal pattern over the years -- clearly reveal a deeper malignancy of the heart. But it is the lack of immediate and meaningful response by his employer that reveals a deeper cancer in America.
Press statements and public appearances are mere bandages when someone's daughter is called a whore for fun. True healing will come only when individuals honestly address the root of their remarks, rather than making excuses for them, and only when employers and advertisers in our society respond immediately and decisively. Hall of Fame baseball player Cal Ripken immediately canceled his forthcoming appearance on Imus' show; others should do the same.
Imus is a broadcast industry professional, who I hold to a higher standard. Imus' employers are broadcast conglomerates that I also hold to a higher standard. And the advertisers that spend millions on Imus' show should also be held to a higher standard. Allison Gollust, senior vice president for news communications at NBC, has stated: "We take this matter very seriously." If so, Imus and Bernard McGuirk should be unemployed today and the excuses should stop, so that the healing can begin.
On behalf of decent moral people of all backgrounds, and specifically for women of color, we heard the so-called joke. But now the entire media, advertisers and industry executives should deliver the punch line.
Jakes (nee Thomas Dexter Jakes, Sr.) is a Charleston, West Virginia native founded the 10-member Greater Emmanuel Temple of Faith in West Virginia.
Today, he helms The Potter's House, a multiracial, nondenominational church with more than 50 active outreach ministries.
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 12, 2007 13:41:53 GMT -5
Jas, you are so right.....
In light of all of this on yesterday evening I just happened to watch an old episode of Girlfriends (Tracey Ross, Golden Brooks and the Crew - {Joan, Toni, Lyn and Maya}) and the "h" word was used 4 times and they were specifically calling their friend that word.....
I say that to say why are we (general) surprised when you have on TV 4 actress who are portraying highly successful "black" women calling each other the "h" word. Where was the censorship then?
IMO: I am offended not because Don Imus is white and he degraded black women, but I am more so offended that in America women no matter what the color have been reduced to nothing but the "h" word and no one cares...
The "h" word flows so freely out of our (general) mouths without anyone taking offense to it......
IMO again, all these preachers and every one need to shut up and clean up our own backyards first and then we would have to worry about Don Imus calling anyone anything ; because they will see that the Black race is full of people with character and respect...
Why aren't these folks lashing out against VIACOM which owns MTV, BET and VH1.....
Will Proctor and Gamble pull their advertisements from VIACOM if they don't stop showing rap videos calling women all kind of names and displaying all kind of vulgar sex acts.......
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Post by nina2 on Apr 12, 2007 14:45:23 GMT -5
I was just thinking along those same lines... I got those few lines out of some of today's news: So... If there was still any doubt, it's all about money. The official excuse for not canceling the show immediately was his fundraising for "his children's charities". So, see, he's not a bad person after all, right??? That's the name of the game. Whether his employers or his wife's, they are just waiting to see which way the wind is going to turn and if they can pacify the people.... I was thinking back when people were not afraid to go on and boycot businesses, at real cost to their own personal livelyhood and comfort, and actually got results. People who are fed up with all that should make a statement themselves, and not be satisfied only with the advertising being withdrawn. If we are really and actually "sick" of it, then we need to stop fostering it in the mass media and turn them off, period,rappers - and others - radio and tv shows, mags, and anything related to it included - regardless of the color of who is promoting it, producing it, present it, etc... Because when the chips come down, if their ratings fall all around, for long enough, and that's all that matters to them, the radio and tv execs will have to start playing something else, just to stay on the air, that's their bottom line. If we don't, then we don't have anybody to blame but our own self. Yes, it's great that the leaders speak up, it's not enough if there is not concrete follow up, that's the part that only the people themselves can make happen, that's us. (Jasmine, I know that you have been very vocal about not listening to any of that stuff, so I am not trying to ruffle you up  ) |
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Post by krazeeboi on Apr 12, 2007 20:58:27 GMT -5
Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist
Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.
You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.
You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.
Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.
The bigots win again.
While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.
I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.
It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.
Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.
It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.
I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.
But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.
I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.
Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.
Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.
But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.
In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?
I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?
When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.
No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 12, 2007 23:43:55 GMT -5
Thats what Im talking about Krazeeboi!
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Post by Beck on Apr 13, 2007 6:08:03 GMT -5
While I do think that there are bigger problems in black america than Imus saying what he said. It must be noted that he has said worse things about blacks in the past and was warned about it before. Something needed to be done, and Imus basically hung himself. However Jackson, Jakes, Sharpton, and any other "so called" black leader really need to look in the mirror and consider whats the real issues with the black culture. How much of the black culture is glorified in churches with all this preaching about prosperity and self wellness but not enough about a holy lifestyle? How many of rappers or artists goes to their churches and nothing is being said about the message they are sending about our culture? We sit and laugh with Chris Rock, Dave Chapelle, Eddie Murphy, and so many others who take these oppurtunities to degrade African americans. How many people went to see the movie " Norbit"? Take about making millions on the the poor? How many stereotypes are in that movie that we laugh at, and has TOTALLY make us think that these things are okay to do, say, and be. Yes there are bigger problems with our culture than Imus, but he got what was coming to him, just like our black community is getting what is coming to them. Firing Imus wont solve the bigger issue that we have.
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 13, 2007 16:15:41 GMT -5
I don't care how you look it..it's people are being exploicited all the way around.
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Post by auneeqsol on May 10, 2007 11:45:05 GMT -5
I do see that we as a race do have bigger fish to fry but it still wasnt acceptable for him to say. It was very insensitive, degrading and I will say in a sense racist. And the comment he made about the girls on Tennessee team being prettier, was very disrespectful and demeaning to the Rutger's team as being young ladies. He was ignorant in everything that he said basically, whether it was a race issue, or not, those type of things should not have been said period on the air concerning a women's basketball team. And mind you this is not the WNBA
this is a college team of YOUNG women who are doing their best to achieve in school academically as well as represent the school in sports. I think it was just too much. And Iguess you could say that it was promoting seperatism in a sense of them bringing up the Spike Lee movie scene about the "jiggaboos" and "wannabees" That was totally out of line, even for the other guy. It was just things that should not have been said on the air like that especially about a basketball game. Calling them nappy headed, and the h word and to say they looked like the Toronto Raptors??? Come on Ppl, no matter what it was very inappropriate and I think his punishment was well deserving.
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