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Post by nina2 on Jul 10, 2007 12:20:58 GMT -5
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Post by stillfocused on Jul 10, 2007 13:42:38 GMT -5
I read most of it...it's things like this that make it very difficult for others. Sadly, teaching our own beliefs and pet doctrines has brought on adverse effects..
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Post by krazeeboi on Jul 10, 2007 16:27:21 GMT -5
The Catholic Church has always believed this. That's why I always found their "ecumenical dialogues" with clergy of other branches of Christendom to be a bit funny. The article sums it up with this statement:
"The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession — the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles — and therefore their priestly ordinations are not valid, it said.
It also must be understood that the Catholic Church, unlike Protestantism, also considers church tradition to be just as valid as Scripture in the establishment of doctrine, which is why Protestants claiming "But that's not what the Bible says" won't cut it for Catholics. They have an entirely different theological framework.
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Post by nina2 on Jul 11, 2007 4:34:53 GMT -5
These are just a few facts about the Vatican, as a "nation":
"Vatican City, officially State of the Vatican City (Latin: Status Civitatis Vaticanae; Italian: Stato della Città del Vaticano), is a landlocked sovereign city-state whose territory consists of a walled enclave within the city of Rome. At approximately 44 hectares (108.7 acres), it is the smallest independent nation in the world.
It was created in 1929 by the Lateran Treaty as a vestige of the much larger Papal States (756 to 1870).
Vatican City is a non-hereditary, elected monarchy that is ruled by the Bishop of Rome — the Pope.
The highest state functionaries are all clergymen of the Catholic Church. It is the sovereign territory of the Holy See (Latin:Sancta Sedes) and the location of the Apostolic Palace — the Pope's official residence — and the Roman Curia.
Thus, while the principal ecclesiastical seat (Cathedral) of the Pope as Bishop of Rome (the Basilica of St. John Lateran) is located outside of its walls, in Rome, Vatican City can be said to be the governmental capital of the Catholic Church."
And the Catholic Church is worldwide, right?? So, they are the most ancient worldwide government......
Going back to using latin for mass or anything else is offending in this day and age. For centuries, faithful people attended mass and said prayers in latin who could not even spell or write their names.
It was just another way to keep them spiritually ignorant and to oppress them through the clergy who had both temporal and spiritual authority, just like catholic kings of countries who were supposed to have "royalty by divine right", hence absolute power of life and death over the people.
As for apostolic root, they sure need to go back and check them out thoroughly, they might get inspired to go back to that first. Maybe they would then remember that the apostles who founded the church of Rome were born again Jews, and that it did not prevent their successors to twist the scriptures - in latin - in order to be able to persecute the Jews, or any other, who did not submit to their worldly power, let alone spiritual one, re crusades, inquisition, mass executions of the first protestants, colonisation of South America, Jewish ghettos, etc... all in the name of God.
How can all this be relevant today?
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