God's forgiveness

[J13578]

If God's forgiveness is total and unconditional to the point of even forgetting completely,

Why are we still awaiting judgement?

[And Such Were Some Of You]

He forgives to the point where He offers salvation even after we sin however we will be judged according to our deeds here on earth.

That is just my take on it for now (without any thought)

[Beulah5]

Because He also happens to be a judge.

God's forgiveness is conditional on accepting Jesus His gift to the world.

Outside of that....

[Beck]

lilah said:

If God's forgiveness is total and unconditional to the point of even forgetting completely,

Why are we still awaiting judgement?

What good is forgiveness if you just forget ? True forgiveness doesn't mean that you have forgotten, it means you have come to terms with the wrong the person has done and you are willing to pardon them even though they did wrong. While we might also feel that God's forgiveness should eliminate judgment, his forgiveness is because he is a justified in everything he does. The truth of the matter is "It could have been alot worse" than the judgment we get.

[keita]

elderbeck said:

What good is forgiveness if you just forget ?

But doesn't scripture say that God does both (forgive and forget)?

True forgiveness doesn't mean that you have forgotten, it means you have come to terms with the wrong the person has done and you are willing to pardon them even though they did wrong.

That sounds like the human/psychological definition but I would ask if it's the same with God.

While we might also feel that God's forgiveness should eliminate judgment, his forgiveness is because he is a justified in everything he does. The truth of the matter is "It could have been alot worse" than the judgment we get.

Amen!

[J13578]

Thank you very much for your answers

So far,

-He forgives to the point where He offers salvation even after we sin however we will be judged according to our deeds here on earth.

I believe that

- God's forgiveness is conditional on accepting Jesus His gift to the world.

Gospel Truth

- ... because he is a justified in everything he does

I submit to that, completely

- But doesn't scripture say that God does both (forgive and forget)?

That was my starting point. The Bible says that if we confess our sins, He is faithful enough to forgive AND forget.

Knowing what Jesus came to accomplish - and did - through his death, resurrection and glorification once and for all,

Does the scripture mean that between our confessing and God forgiving AND forgetting, there is an underlying process?

What is the difference between condemnation and judgement?

[Beck]

I thought the passage said he is faithful to forgive our sins and cleanse us, not forget. Does God have to forget the things he forgives? Jesus gave a parable about the servant asking his master for forgiveness upon getting his debt forgiven, he went out and wouldn't grant the same forgiveness to the person who owed him. The result was the Master charged the servant with everything he previously pardoned for. (Matt 18:25-34).

Condemnation is the is an emotional judgment (the guilt) that we sometimes put our self in . While there is at times physical penalty for our sins that is not unto death, Christ came to remove the eternal penalty for our sin. (Eternal d**nation)

[ybrown]

lilah said:

If God's forgiveness is total and unconditional to the point of even forgetting completely,

Why are we still awaiting judgement?

As believers we will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-12). This judgment doesn't determine salvation, but rather is when we must give an account of our lives to Christ in order for God to reward us based on how faithfully we served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). Actually, 1Corinthians 9:4-27 and 2Timothy 2:5 talks about the crowns that believers will receive based on how faithfully we served Christ.

The Judgment Seat of Christ is different from the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). This judgment doesn't determine salvation either. Everyone at the Great White Throne is an unbeliever and, sadly, is already doomed to the lake of fire.

[keita]

elderbeck said:

...Does God have to forget the things he forgives?...

I don't know if God has to forget our sins but here are some scriptures which say that He does:

Is.43:25:
"It is I who sweep away your transgressions for My own sake and remember your sins no more.


Jere.31:34:
"For I will forgive their wrongdoing and never again remember their sin."

Heb.8:12:
"For I will be merciful to their wrongdoing, and I will never again remember their sins."

[this2shallpass]

I've been reading this topic off and on. Are you speaking about God's forgiving nature (which is undisputable) or man's forgiving nature. The Word also tells us that God will not forgive us if we have unforgivness against another.

We also will suffer the conquenses of our actions(sin) after God forgives us. I'm a living witness to that!! I don't have my Bible in front of me so I'm not quoting scripture. But let me give a little example:

Say you are an unemployed drug addict, and you got saved last week. God has forgiven you your sins. You go out in search of employment get the job....and then the drug test results come back - no job. You still got drugs in your system. God saved you, forgave you, but He didn't take those drugs out of your system (not that He couldn't) some must still suffer the consequenses of our sins.

So now what do you do??? Do you wait the 6-8 week until your urine clears (don't ask me how I know this), do you go to the store and get some of that stuff that will clear your urine 2-6 hours before you test (again, don't ask me how I know this)? Do you pray and ask God to walk with you through this time in your life; to show you what to do and what to say? Or do you just give up and turn back to drugs.

It is my (trial and error) belief that it's how we walk through the consequenses after God's forgivness, is what God will Judge. Did you lie, did you cheat, OR did you trust God and STAND on His Word to walk you through?

[krazeeboi]

lilah said:

If God's forgiveness is total and unconditional to the point of even forgetting completely,

Why are we still awaiting judgement?

Depends of what type of judgment you are speaking of.

For the believer, our sins were judged at Calvary. That judgment is done and finished with. That has to do with the eternal aspect of our sin.

We can also receive certain judgments here in this life. Those judgments relate to the sanctifying aspect of our salvation.

And, as it has been stated already, the future judgment is a judgment of works.

[livinganewlife]

elderbeck said:

What good is forgiveness if you just forget ? True forgiveness doesn't mean that you have forgotten, it means you have come to terms with the wrong the person has done and you are willing to pardon them even though they did wrong.

Not to discredit what you have stated but your answer sound as if it was taken from an article of Psychology Today ;D.....

That is the humanistic definition of forgiveness, not God...

What about blotting out our sins and throwing them into the sea of forgetfullness.... (don't know the scripture right off)....


Also, even in human terms what good does it do to keep in your memory the wrong someone has done you... that is how roots of bitterness begins.......

I just don't believe God has a notepad, that is listed with all of our old sins....

I may be in error but I can't believe that ..........