What does God think about the suicide of a saint?

[krazeeboi]

I thought I made it as plain as I could. In effect, my answer to your questions are "yes." The sin of suicide (or any other sin that may not have been confessed) for a saint is covered by the blood.

[auneeqsol]

Whoa!!! you blew me away with that one...even though I have heard other famous teachers (Charles Stanley) say the same thing...I guess I just can't see that as being okay....Now I see the points you are making about scripture and how it ties in , but I guess thats just a sensitive subject for me.....but I know the blood of Jesus will never lose its power concerning anything.

[krazeeboi]

It won't. I believe that the believer will suffer loss, but it doesn't put his/her justified status in danger. No man can pluck any that the Father has given Jesus out of His hand--including ourselves.

[Jasmine]

krazeeboi said:

It won't. I believe that the believer will suffer loss, but it doesn't put his/her justified status in danger. No man can pluck any that the Father has given Jesus out of His hand--including ourselves.

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

Ok, Jesus says no one can snatch us from His hand. Is that the same as saying I will never let them go? I don't think so. I don't think Jesus is saying that we cannot choose to leave our position, I believe He is saying that Satan nor anyone else can cause you to lose your salvation, and that we are secure as long as we want to be secure.

[krazeeboi]

^This is true, but salvation also affects our will.

[beautifulchild]

I can only speak about my experience. Hopefully this isn't getting off track. But I was plagued by thoughts of suicide for years. Since I was young. I had always managed to push back the thoughts because I didn't want God to be disappointed in me and I was afraid of what would happen to me once I was gone.

One of the times when I was at my worst point I had lost that fear and I knew that I was doomed. I remember sitting in my bed crying and just saying I didn't really want to die, but just didn't know how to live like this anymore. I had been depressed for years and the pain was overwhelming for me. I loved God and I didn't want to disappoint him, but I didn't feel like I could hold on. I prayed a prayer that night and said God. Please help me, if you don't I will die. I want to be with you, but I don't know how to get to you.

Long story short, God sent a friend to contact me and lead me in the direction to get rededicated. I didn't even know what that meant, but in a matter of a week I was rededicated and on a new road. 2 years went by and I hadn't had any bad bouts of depression, but for some reason I could feel it all coming back on me. That same feeling was there and I couldn't understand why. I stood in my room and prayed again. I said God, I don't understand what is happening and why, but just know that if I don't make it I love you and I know this isn't your doing and I don't blame you.

The very next day I ended up visiting a church I had never been to before and the apostle of the house was closing in prayer when he came over to me and told me that God said he heard me and that I wasn't going to leave there disappointed. He said that he was breaking the chains off of me and calling out the spirit of suicide that was on me and that I had suffered a long time and that it was now over. Nobody in there knew me, except my aunt and she didn't even know what I had been going through.

I have never had another bout of that depression or those thoughts since. God loved me so much that he did supernatural things to deliver me. He had compassion and love for me. So, I don't see how anyone would go to hell if they are in such pain that they'd kill themselves.

About a month ago a friend of mine killed himself 2 days after I spoke to him. He was having some problems in a relationship and that night I felt led to tell him how great of a person he was and how life was just to short to be miserable and I just felt led to share the love of God with him, but I hesitated and because I was at work I decided I would talk to him later. I gave him my email and told him to contact me. I didn't want to call because I didn't want to upset his home situation. I thought that I'd have time to talk to him about the Lord, but I didn't have the time that I thought. He killed himself before I could say all that was in my heart and I was devastated. I learned that this is NOT about me, because I wasn't intune with God I messed up.

[shiloh]

beautifulchild said:

I can only speak about my experience. Hopefully this isn't getting off track. But I was plagued by thoughts of suicide for years. Since I was young. I had always managed to push back the thoughts because I didn't want God to be disappointed in me and I was afraid of what would happen to me once I was gone.

One of the times when I was at my worst point I had lost that fear and I knew that I was doomed. I remember sitting in my bed crying and just saying I didn't really want to die, but just didn't know how to live like this anymore. I had been depressed for years and the pain was overwhelming for me. I loved God and I didn't want to disappoint him, but I didn't feel like I could hold on. I prayed a prayer that night and said God. Please help me, if you don't I will die. I want to be with you, but I don't know how to get to you.

Long story short, God sent a friend to contact me and lead me in the direction to get rededicated. I didn't even know what that meant, but in a matter of a week I was rededicated and on a new road. 2 years went by and I hadn't had any bad bouts of depression, but for some reason I could feel it all coming back on me. That same feeling was there and I couldn't understand why. I stood in my room and prayed again. I said God, I don't understand what is happening and why, but just know that if I don't make it I love you and I know this isn't your doing and I don't blame you.

The very next day I ended up visiting a church I had never been to before and the apostle of the house was closing in prayer when he came over to me and told me that God said he heard me and that I wasn't going to leave there disappointed. He said that he was breaking the chains off of me and calling out the spirit of suicide that was on me and that I had suffered a long time and that it was now over. Nobody in there knew me, except my aunt and she didn't even know what I had been going through.

I have never had another bout of that depression or those thoughts since. God loved me so much that he did supernatural things to deliver me. He had compassion and love for me. So, I don't see how anyone would go to hell if they are in such pain that they'd kill themselves.

About a month ago a friend of mine killed himself 2 days after I spoke to him. He was having some problems in a relationship and that night I felt led to tell him how great of a person he was and how life was just to short to be miserable and I just felt led to share the love of God with him, but I hesitated and because I was at work I decided I would talk to him later. I gave him my email and told him to contact me. I didn't want to call because I didn't want to upset his home situation. I thought that I'd have time to talk to him about the Lord, but I didn't have the time that I thought. He killed himself before I could say all that was in my heart and I was devastated. I learned that this is NOT about me, because I wasn't intune with God I messed up.

Beautifulchild thanks for sharing that, it really touched me. I pray that one day I can get to the point where you are:not having to fight off these thoughts anymore.
I however am shocked to learn that some people think that it is forgivable. I was always under the impression that it was not.
All growing up you'd hear ppl say of one who killed themself he/she going straight to hell. I've heard preachers say it too. So I have always believed and even told myself to keep myself from doing it : if you take your life,you'll go to hell. I have also always wondered what about the person that does it slowly, like take a drug overdose then repent, would they go to hell too?
Though I'm not 100 % convinced yet this post and the scriptures given has helped me to see that there is nothing the blood can't cover.

[auneeqsol]

So...........

If a believer commits suicide that means he yielded to defeat and fell out of the race ( as far as continuing to run while yet alive).
God's will is not that we be defeated and just "check out" of the race. I can see how through the intercession of Christ one can be forgiven because his blood will never lose its power, BUT.........for one to take their own life and to be accepted into glory, being pleasing to God is sort of perplexing.

Believe me, if most didnt have a fear of going to hell behind suicide, there would be plenty that would "check out" in a heartbeat just to make it easier on themselves. Even the best of the best would have done it.

I'm trying to see how God would be "alright" with one saying "God this was too much for me, i'd just rather be home with you and spend eternity with you anyway...to live is Christ , to die is gain, so let me turn in my war clothes, and come on home." Is it that easy? Itmight be where you might suffer loss on some rewards but hey you made it in.....

[inhishand]

shiloh said:

beautifulchild said:

I can only speak about my experience. Hopefully this isn't getting off track. But I was plagued by thoughts of suicide for years. Since I was young. I had always managed to push back the thoughts because I didn't want God to be disappointed in me and I was afraid of what would happen to me once I was gone.

One of the times when I was at my worst point I had lost that fear and I knew that I was doomed. I remember sitting in my bed crying and just saying I didn't really want to die, but just didn't know how to live like this anymore. I had been depressed for years and the pain was overwhelming for me. I loved God and I didn't want to disappoint him, but I didn't feel like I could hold on. I prayed a prayer that night and said God. Please help me, if you don't I will die. I want to be with you, but I don't know how to get to you.

Long story short, God sent a friend to contact me and lead me in the direction to get rededicated. I didn't even know what that meant, but in a matter of a week I was rededicated and on a new road. 2 years went by and I hadn't had any bad bouts of depression, but for some reason I could feel it all coming back on me. That same feeling was there and I couldn't understand why. I stood in my room and prayed again. I said God, I don't understand what is happening and why, but just know that if I don't make it I love you and I know this isn't your doing and I don't blame you.

The very next day I ended up visiting a church I had never been to before and the apostle of the house was closing in prayer when he came over to me and told me that God said he heard me and that I wasn't going to leave there disappointed. He said that he was breaking the chains off of me and calling out the spirit of suicide that was on me and that I had suffered a long time and that it was now over. Nobody in there knew me, except my aunt and she didn't even know what I had been going through.

I have never had another bout of that depression or those thoughts since. God loved me so much that he did supernatural things to deliver me. He had compassion and love for me. So, I don't see how anyone would go to hell if they are in such pain that they'd kill themselves.

About a month ago a friend of mine killed himself 2 days after I spoke to him. He was having some problems in a relationship and that night I felt led to tell him how great of a person he was and how life was just to short to be miserable and I just felt led to share the love of God with him, but I hesitated and because I was at work I decided I would talk to him later. I gave him my email and told him to contact me. I didn't want to call because I didn't want to upset his home situation. I thought that I'd have time to talk to him about the Lord, but I didn't have the time that I thought. He killed himself before I could say all that was in my heart and I was devastated. I learned that this is NOT about me, because I wasn't intune with God I messed up.

Beautifulchild thanks for sharing that, it really touched me. I pray that one day I can get to the point where you are:not having to fight off these thoughts anymore.
I however am shocked to learn that some people think that it is forgivable. I was always under the impression that it was not.
All growing up you'd hear ppl say of one who killed themself he/she going straight to hell. I've heard preachers say it too. So I have always believed and even told myself to keep myself from doing it : if you take your life,you'll go to hell. I have also always wondered what about the person that does it slowly, like take a drug overdose then repent, would they go to hell too?
Though I'm not 100 % convinced yet this post and the scriptures given has helped me to see that there is nothing the blood can't cover.

Shiloh,

I have a similar testimony.... I have suffered years of depression and wanted to throw in the towel..... What kept me was the preaching of going to hell if I take my life. Even with all that preaching one night was slipped to the back of the Church and took a hand full of prescription pain relievers. I stood up all night and nothing happen ..... I used to say Lord I just want to be with you so I wont have to continue hurting, the pain is too much for me.... sorry for not fulfilling the destiny you set for me I ran my leaders crazy!!! My family didn't know about my suicidal thoughts.... My mother used to always worry about me. When she was out west... she will have my sister to constantly check on me. I don't know when how God delivered from that demonic spirit. All I know that I'm free!!!

The question is, will a believer actually go to hell?..... I cannot give answer, because only God know where a person stand and their heart. I don't believe in once saved always saved doctrine.... A person can backslide and go to hell, according to the Word of God.... Apostle Paul even mention a few the left the faith. I do believe a person can love God with all their heart and suffer from suicidal thoughts.... suicide is a sin... It is a great possibility that you can go to hell.... Only repented sin is cover with the blood.... and true repentance is turning completely away from that sin.... You can be delivered and set free from that spirit. Don't think for a minute it is the easy way out and you will be instantly in heaven with the Father.... It may not happen that way. The enemy will push and push you into committing suicide, he is out to destroy all that God have for you... God have a plan for your life.... and this season of depression will pass and the morning sun will come.

inhishand

[chloe]

auneeqsol said:

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Believe me, if most didnt have a fear of going to hell behind suicide, there would be plenty that would "check out" in a heartbeat just to make it easier on themselves. Even the best of the best would have done it.

You couldn't be more right on that Auneeqsol.

[krazeeboi]

Auneeqsol, you're right. But if we only had just as much of a fear of displeasing God as we had of hell. One church father said that he'd jump into hell first than to willingly sin against God.

[Nikkol]

You can't stop a bird from flying over your head.... but you can stop him from building a nest. Thoughts of all types of things may/will come to your head. However, what makes the difference is what you do when these thoughts come... do you entertain them? or do you rebuke them?

Repentance is still the key and we know that only godly sorrow brings forth repentance. But if you never get to the place of godly sorrow, you can find yourself in the same state as Esau..... although he sought repentance with tears, he didn't find it.

[ybrown]

This is where the discussion may get dicey. Consider this from Ray Comfort’s teaching called True and False Conversion:

“…in the American Horizons magazine, which is the official magazine of a very large, or a major,
denomination of the United States which has 11,500 churches throughout the US - in 1991, their first year of what
they called “the decade of harvest,” they got 294,000 decisions for Christ. They found that only 14,000 remained in
fellowship. That is, they couldn’t account for 279,000 of their decisions for Jesus. And this is normal modern
evangelical statistics when it comes to crusades and local churches.”

With that statistic as a basis, now consider this scripture and others like it that say that the new birth or salvation is the work of the Holy Spirit with the hearing and understanding God’s word through the gospel of Christ:

John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.

Question: Is it only the true conversions – those that are genuinely drawn to Him - that endure to the end? Do the others not endure because it wasn’t the Holy Spirit that drew them to Christ, but men who brought them into the church organization by telling them to simply recite a prayer?

[krazeeboi]

Well...

[keita]

What does God think about the suicide of a saint?

More than anything, I believe it saddens Him beyond measure.