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Post by Beck on Jul 18, 2006 11:48:43 GMT -5
As a born again believer are you for or against Stem Cell research? Can you post your views concerning it?
I personally dont know to much about it, but I have a feeling that it would lead to cloning and all types of stuff that its kinda weird. but on the same token I can see the the help it could bring as far as treating cancer, and giving people a second chance at life.
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Post by MsKayLander on Jul 18, 2006 12:34:00 GMT -5
Believe it or not, they are cloning already...I also believe that GOD is the giver of life and if you are going to have 2nd and 3rd chances he will give them...I disagree with stem cell research cause they have to kill babies to do it...
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 18, 2006 12:37:44 GMT -5
I disagree with stem cell research cause they have to kill babies to do it... Ditto |
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Post by Beck on Jul 18, 2006 13:59:59 GMT -5
I guess peoples views on it differ because of what they believe about abortion...
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Post by stillfocused on Jul 18, 2006 14:03:46 GMT -5
Good observation, Beck !! At this time I can't say whether I am for it or not. As it does do some good along with the undisturbing fact of what it really entails.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 18, 2006 15:08:05 GMT -5
I guess peoples views on it differ because of what they believe about abortion... Yes, Bro., this is true. Since I am against abortion I cannot support stem cell. However I do know some that are against abortion but FOR stem cell. Still scratching my head on that one. |
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Post by Beck on Jul 18, 2006 15:14:18 GMT -5
I guess peoples views on it differ because of what they believe about abortion... Yes, Bro., this is true. Since I am against abortion I cannot support stem cell. However I do know some that are against abortion but FOR stem cell. Still scratching my head on that one. I agree... this is a classic point of what happens when we become desperate..we cant be luke warm no issues.. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 18, 2006 15:17:30 GMT -5
Isn't there a scripture that says something like "doing harm that good may come"? (my paraphrase). It isn't saying that we should do so but it is say that God forbid if we do! I believe it is Romans 3 but I could be misquoting or taking it out of context. (Don't stone me, I will check when I get home - unless somebody knows).
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Post by auneeqsol on Jul 18, 2006 19:42:53 GMT -5
I thought that stem cell research could be done by taking blood or something from the umbilical cord when the baby is born, or taking the umbilical cord and freezing it or something. They did that when my youngest was born. When the cord was cut they asked to use it. But I could have my info wrong tho.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 20, 2006 6:57:41 GMT -5
Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Bill; House Can’t Override President says measure ‘crosses a moral boundary’ society needs to respect.July 19: The first veto of George W. Bush's presidency is a big winner with social conservatives who are angry at the president over Iraq and immigration. NBC's David Gregory reports. Nightly News MSNBC News Services Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET July 19, 2006 WASHINGTON - The House on Wednesday failed to muster enough votes to override President Bush’s veto of a bill to expand federally funded embryonic stem cell research. Backers of the bill, approved by the House a year ago with a strong bipartisan margin, and the Senate on Tuesday, did not get the two-thirds vote necessary to override Bush’s first in more than five years in the White House. Bush on Wednesday rejected the legislation that could have multiplied the federal money going into embryonic stem cell research, making an emotionally charged life-and-death issue the first veto of his presidency. "This bill would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical benefits for others," Bush said in announcing his veto. "It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect." Most Americans disagree with the president, according to public opinion polls. A number of lawmakers expressed confidence the legislation would some day become law and some suggested Bush's stance could hurt Republicans in congressional elections this fall. "Mr. President, we will not give up," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. "We will continue this battle." Bush was making good on a promise he made in 2001 to limit federally funded embryonic research to the stem cell lines that had been created by the time. Supporters of more research were not expected to muster the two-thirds majorities needed in both houses of Congress to overturn the president's veto. Bush's first veto, five and one-half years into his presidency, came in the Oval Office without any ceremony -- though he then announced it surrounded by families including cheerfully babbling toddlers. He added his signature to the bottom of a two-page message that was promptly hand-delivered to the House of Representatives, where the legislation began. "If we are to find the right ways to advance ethical medical research, we must also be willing when necessary to reject the wrong ways," his message said. "For that reason, I must veto this bill." Supporters of embryonic stem cell research have had powerfully moving proponents on their side, including the late "Superman" star Christopher Reeve and actor Michael J. Fox. Other proponents say the research could lead to cures for the diseases that threaten to kill them. Snowflake supportBush tried to put a face on his position, too. Eighteen families who had adopted unused frozen embryos were in the East Room as Bush made his case in a 15-minute speech that came 40 minutes after the veto. On stage behind the president and in the audience were two dozen children, squirming in their Sunday best, born from those leftover embryos. "These boys and girls are not spare parts," Bush said. "They remind us of what is lost when embryos are destroyed in the name of research." Also in the crowd were four embryo donor families and four patients who have been aided by adult stem cells. Those cells are found in various tissues, including bone marrow. Bush supports research involving adult stem cells. CONTINUED
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 20, 2006 6:59:27 GMT -5
‘Fetal farming’ measure rebuffed
As he vetoed the bill, he signed another that was passed unanimously in both chambers that would ban "fetal farming," the prospect of raising and aborting fetuses for scientific research. "Human beings are not a raw material to be exploited, or a commodity to be bought or sold, and this bill will help ensure that we respect the fundamental ethical line," Bush said, drawing a shout of "Amen!" from one of the fathers on stage with him.
Bush said he was disappointed that Congress failed to pass a third bill that would encourage adult stem cell research. Opponents said it would have given lawmakers political cover for opposing the embryonic stem cell bill. But Bush said it would fund vital and ethical research, and he would direct his administration to pursue this kind of science.
Lobbying effort fails
Pleadings from celebrities, a former first lady and some fellow Republicans had failed to move Bush. He acted after two days of often wrenching emotional debate in Congress, punctuated by stories of personal and family suffering, that had cast lawmakers into the intersection of politics, morality and science.
House and Senate Democrats said Bush's calls for bipartisanship on other issues will be undermined by his veto of a bill that succeeded with the support of lawmakers of both parties.
Some are predicting the veto could hurt GOP congressional candidates in close races this November. And the issue split the Republican senators who are thinking about running to replace Bush in the White House in 2008.
Bipartisan disagreement
Sens. Sam Brownback of Kansas, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and George Allen of Virginia sided with Bush in opposing the bill. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee and Sen. John McCain of Arizona voted for the increased federal funding.
"I am pro-life, but I disagree with the president's decision to veto the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act," said Frist. "Given the potential of this research and the limitations of the existing lines eligible for federally funded research, I think additional lines should be made available."
Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo., a co-sponsor of the House bill, submitted 11,000 signatures urging Bush to sign the measure and said of his veto: "He is doing that on the backs of tens of millions of Americans."
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Post by auneeqsol on Jul 20, 2006 9:07:55 GMT -5
Okay ....yeah I heard a program on faith radio today and they explained what embryonic stem cell research was about. And I am against it. Now they were saying that Adult stem cell research can be just as effective , or even more effective in the study, but the ppl choose to use embryos because they feel like its fresh and has flexibility, no patterns formed already and easier to test because of those reasons. But like I said ,I am against it.
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Post by krazeeboi on Jul 21, 2006 2:57:59 GMT -5
I am against embryonic stem cell research.
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