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Post by Beck on Oct 10, 2006 10:17:31 GMT -5
Hbr 7:1 ¶ For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Hbr 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hbr 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Hbr 7:4 Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 10, 2006 12:41:04 GMT -5
God.
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Post by Beck on Oct 10, 2006 12:57:34 GMT -5
How do we know he is god?
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 10, 2006 14:19:13 GMT -5
What is the meaning behind the name Melchisedec?
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Post by Beck on Oct 10, 2006 14:41:19 GMT -5
What is the meaning behind the name Melchisedec? king of righteousness
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 10, 2006 15:05:03 GMT -5
Who else could make sure that Jesus was both a Jew and Priest?
Lets check out His Credentials: 1) He was both a King and a Priest, simultaneously:
2) He was the personification of the Names He bore, which were indicative of qualities of His character: King of Righteousness, King of Salem which is also King of Peace; all this before and in the Eyes of God
3) He had no father or mother
4) He had no geneaological record
5) He had no birth date, nor was He ever known in anyone's obituary
6) His Priesthood is everlasting, like the Son of God
7) He is yet alive; His life having begun, it therefore never ended
hmm..what say you?
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 10, 2006 15:26:56 GMT -5
Was Jesus the Only Word(God) that was made flesh?
John 1:18 (NIV) No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[e][f]who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 10, 2006 15:55:29 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 10, 2006 17:22:54 GMT -5
I think he was a man. The type and the prototype cannot be one and the same. Here is a great article that details the two main views on the subject.
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Post by nina on Oct 11, 2006 2:37:39 GMT -5
Side note: he was king of Salem and high priest, but he also gave to Abraham - the man who had just killed his son in the battle - and to all the men who were with him bread and wine Abraham recovered his adopted heir at the time, Lot. Then, the blessing from the king of Salem was given to Abraham and God. What kind of a man can a) bless God? b) bless God last, after blessing a man?
P.S: Why was he a high priest? No law, no temple, no Levites, no Jeru-Salem?
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 11, 2006 8:12:33 GMT -5
He was the pre incarnate Jesus who appears all over the Old Testament. Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek. He is called the King of Salem or King of Peace His name means King of Righteousness wait Jasmine already typed this stuff out LOL... I would like to add that we are priests now after the order of Melchizedek. If Jesus is OUR High Priest and we are priest after the order of Melchizedek what does that tell you
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 11, 2006 8:31:13 GMT -5
Side note: he was king of Salem and high priest, but he also gave to Abraham - the man who had just killed his son in the battle - and to all the men who were with him bread and wineAbraham recovered his adopted heir at the time, Lot. Then, the blessing from the king of Salem was given to Abraham and God. What kind of a man can a) bless God? b) bless God last, after blessing a man? He was King of Salem (a city which means peace) and he was king of that city not PEACE, Jesus and God is Peace.... not kings of peace in them we have peace. There is no peace in a human created in the likeness of the Son of God serving as a King. In my observation Melchisedec was a man...... Melchisedec was not the Son of God neither was he God created in the flesh....
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Post by Beck on Oct 11, 2006 8:56:52 GMT -5
The Melchizedek Priesthood and Christianity Main article: Melchizedek Priesthood (Christianity) Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah spoken of as "a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek" (Ps. 110:4), and so Jesus plays the role of High Priest once and for all. Jesus is considered a priest in the order of Melchizedek because, like Melchizedek, Jesus was not a Levite, and thus would not qualify for the Levitical priesthood (Heb. 7:13-17). One must remember that a priesthood or other holy order implies that there is more than one holder or member, respectively.
The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews in the New Testament discussed this subject considerably, listing the following reasons for why the priesthood of Melchizedek is superior to the Aaronic priesthood:
Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek; later, the Levites would receive tithes from their countrymen. Since Aaron was in Abraham's loins then, it was as if the Aaronic priesthood were paying tithes to Melchizedek. (Heb. 7:4-10) The one who blesses is always greater than the one being blessed. Thus, Melchizedek was greater than Abraham. As Levi was yet in the loins of Abraham, it follows that Melchizedek is greater than Levi. (Heb. 7:7-10) If the priesthood of Aaron were effective, God would not have called a new priest in a different order in Psalm 110. (Heb. 7:11) The basis of the Aaronic priesthood was ancestry; the basis of the priesthood of Melchizedek is everlasting life. That is, there is no interruption due to a priest's death. (Heb. 7:8,15-16,23-25) Christ, being sinless, does not need a sacrifice for his own sins. (Heb. 7:26-27) The priesthood of Melchizedek is more effective because it required a single sacrifice once and for all (Jesus), while the Levitical priesthood made endless sacrifices. (Heb. 7:27) The Aaronic priests serve (or, rather, served) in an earthly copy and shadow of the heavenly Temple, which Jesus serves in. (Heb. 8:5) The epistle goes on to say that the covenant of Jesus is superior to the covenant the Levitical priesthood is under. Some Christians hold that Melchizedek was a type of Christ, and some heterodox Christians hold that Melchizedek indeed was Christ. Reasons provided include that Melchizedek's name means "king of righteousness" according to the author of Hebrews, and that being king of Salem makes Melchizedek the "king of peace." Heb. 7:3 states, "Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he (Melchizedek) remains a priest forever." Melchizedek gave Abraham bread and wine, which Christians consider symbols of the body and blood of Jesus Christ, the sacrifice to confirm a covenant.
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Post by nina on Oct 11, 2006 11:39:48 GMT -5
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 12, 2006 11:03:24 GMT -5
There was a very good book written called ' Christ Before the Manger ' by Ron Rhodes which touches on this topic as well as various other appearance of the pre-incarnate Christ.
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