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Post by kanyon on Oct 14, 2006 3:25:44 GMT -5
What does this term mean to African Americans?
What does this term mean to North American Indians, or any peoples of the the so- called third world?
There will be some interesting discoveries as we research this term and check it out as it relates or has related to us and whether or not this 'Doctrine of Discovery' still impacts or lives.
I know we have some good researchers here and I leave it to you to google and see what we find...
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Post by keita on Oct 17, 2006 12:20:08 GMT -5
Excellent and timely study topic, bro kanyon... "The Doctrine of Discovery provided that by law and divine intention European Christian countries gained power and legal rights over indigenous non-Christian peoples immediately upon their “discovery” by Europeans. Various European monarchs and their legal systems developed this principle to benefit their own countries. The Discovery Doctrine was then adopted into American colonial and state law and into the United States Constitution, and was then adopted by the federal legislative and executive branches, and finally by the U.S. Supreme Court in Johnson v. M’Intosh in 1823. Johnson is still federal law today and the Doctrine of Discovery is still being applied to Indian individuals and the American Indian Nations notwithstanding its Eurocentric, religious, and racial underpinnings."Imho, the "Doctrine of Discovery" was and is the arrogant, sinful basis for some of the most inhumane, heinous crimes against first world people and, because of that, against humanity at large. It is why, as an African American, I cannot imagine celebrating American "holidays" like "Columbus Day"... OR supporting the U.S. policies in Iraq, Cuba, Iran, Nicaragua, Lebanon, Venezuela, Africa...  This is about a legacy that continues to drive imperialism today. |
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Post by kanyon on Oct 17, 2006 13:00:42 GMT -5
I just know we're for some good stuff here.
The rational for the doctrine of discovery came from Rome.
The statement said that even if there were residents in any country that Europeans 'discovered', they should still be considered 'tera nulus' or unoccupied because they did not have the 'instruments' of civilization. Those instruments would be local, state, county and national governments. The instruments would also include Churches, schools and enterprise. Of course it did not take long for the 'discoverers' to conclude that the land was empty even though my ancestors were eyeballing them.
This doctrine justified the slave trade around the world and the rape and pillage of third world countries as well.
A whole nation of natives were exterminated for sport in newfoundland.
If we can get the major church organizations to repudiate this doctrine, then all of us are, or should be expecting a major apology.
It helps me understand the mindset of even Evangelical churches who treated minorities with suspicion and wondered whether or no we even had a soul.
Some obviously thought we did but the surveyors and politicians came along for the ride and drove in survey stakes as the priests pondered.
I forgive them and love the current crop. I just want them to acknowledge that this 'doctrine' was the basis of their actions while 'discovering ' all of us around the world.
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Post by keita on Oct 17, 2006 13:05:37 GMT -5
The rational for the doctrine of discovery came from Rome. No surprise there... papal bull (their term not mine  )...from a pope...  |
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 17, 2006 13:17:38 GMT -5
The rational for the doctrine of discovery came from Rome. No surprise there... papal bull from a pope... LOL i was going to write that (papal bull)..you beat me to the punch |
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Post by keita on Oct 17, 2006 13:20:53 GMT -5
LOL! I see you appreciate the irony of their use of that term too!
LOL!
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Post by keita on Oct 17, 2006 13:51:09 GMT -5
... I just want them to acknowledge that this 'doctrine' was the basis of their actions while 'discovering ' all of us around the world. Now that would surely be an auspicious beginning but...Is that really ALL you/we want? This Keita's got FULL RESTORATION on her mind. And I'm all for and about "first the natural", but I hear the call to come up HIGHER! |
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Post by kanyon on Oct 17, 2006 14:14:32 GMT -5
... I just want them to acknowledge that this 'doctrine' was the basis of their actions while 'discovering ' all of us around the world. Now that would surely be an auspicious beginning but...Is that really ALL you/we want? This Keita's got FULL RESTORATION on her mind. I'm all for and about "first the natural", but I hear the call to come up HIGHER! Hey, I'm all for my brothers shackling themselves in Jesus Name and rowing us back home...Wait!! I am home  |
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Post by keita on Oct 17, 2006 14:19:41 GMT -5
LOL!
Everything lost wasn't stolen...and vice versa.
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Post by kanyon on Oct 17, 2006 16:08:09 GMT -5
Some links if you are interested... HERE |
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 17, 2006 16:16:23 GMT -5
I am inclined to agree that a simple acknowledgement won't suffice in my book. You really cant undo the injustice that has been caused. The stain has been left in history.
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 19, 2006 2:31:19 GMT -5
This one is interesting, because it is an element of the prevailing attitude of the day, which is essentially White self-hatred. Oh but that is another thread...
Gosh, this subject is so vast--my brain is spinning right now because I know a lot of subjects that it encompasses, but I don't know where to start.
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Post by kanyon on Oct 19, 2006 3:28:04 GMT -5
This one is interesting, because it is an element of the prevailing attitude of the day, which is essentially White self-hatred. Oh but that is another thread... Gosh, this subject is so vast--my brain is spinning right now because I know a lot of subjects that it encompasses, but I don't know where to start. It looks like the basic elements of the 'doctrine' continue to justify the actions of discovering nations, no? |
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 19, 2006 16:20:21 GMT -5
Pretty much everything has been discovered. And today the emphasis is increasingly on preserving indigenous peoples and their cultures, at least from a global perspective. Being in South Carolina, I don't have to go out of the nation to see this; the unique Gullah culture of the Lowcountry on the coast is being threatened as highways are built to reach the far flung sea islands and millionaires "discover" these places and the people who have lived and worked that land all their lives, as it was handed down from generation to generation, find themselves being priced out by rapidly increasing property taxes. Read more here. |
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 21, 2006 17:00:44 GMT -5
Hey, for me it's called "discovery" or should I say invade and "conquer"; I meant take. I stake my claim. Seriously, when I first moved to the state I now I reside in; I came to my own conclusion the understanding why no other race could cross the West and survive the way that the Indians did. They knew and understood the land; nothing but, desert..it 's amazing. So, the term "How the West was won" has now to me become how the West was Steal. Truly..for many of us African American were would we go...Africa  Europe or would we stay right here in the good old America.. |
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