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Post by stillfocused on Dec 30, 2006 11:59:03 GMT -5
Last night while reading an internet version of the hanging of Saddam Hussein; I started feeling kind of sad. Not because of his death; yet, because of the way he died. I started wondering what would God really have done, if mercy had been extended to him, if the love of God had been shown to him, if anyone had witnessed to, and so much more. And the question I asked myself was it really worth it ? Has everything that happened and before after his rule..was it really worth it ?
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Post by kanyon on Dec 30, 2006 13:07:30 GMT -5
This event is a prime example of, "Sin when it is finished bringeth forth death."
Seeing the consequenses of sin is sad for any believer, however, one needs to ask the victims of his atrocities, namely the other ethnic groups who were shot, hung and gassed how they felt.
So much to ponder on here...
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Post by krazeeboi on Dec 30, 2006 21:22:53 GMT -5
I think we need to understand that the purpose of Hussein's death wasn't to "solve" anything, but it was retribution. It's a tough thing to say, but he deserved this.
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Post by stillfocused on Dec 31, 2006 9:10:33 GMT -5
These are valid points..yet, to me it seems like there was no forgiveness..there was a senseof uneasiness. And I am not going to lie...I said " WOW"..will all leaders who have done the same things and then some go through the same thing. Many countries have be ran by tyrants and leaders who executed people. Even in our country..young men are killed for various..yet, no one is hung in the center of town. I know that you have to follow the laws of that country..yet, this something else to ponder on. Do those who went over to that country with improper motives, who set companies, and have profitted from the takeover of this country..is the same thing deserving of them ? As many have died needlessly for a commodity that we pay dealy for. Yes, we all know that wages of sin is death..yet, what would happen if the Lord killed us for every sin have committed. I am not justifying this man's action..yet, I wondering what would have happened if it had been in the USA. And let's be honest many things have happened and still continued to happen..yet, they receive a 1-2 year sentence or no sentence at all. Sentencing a person to death..will not bring the loved ones back; and when that responsible person dies it does not always bring about the healing others think it should..and just wondering out loud. Families on both sides have lost out..even if he deserved to die.
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Post by Beck on Jan 2, 2007 14:14:24 GMT -5
One thing we have to keep in mind is that those countries are not christian countries.. he was tried by an islamic court and found guilty and sentenced to death according to islamic law. Its just like when Jesus was put to death.. He was crucified according to the Roman rules.
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Post by krazeeboi on Jan 3, 2007 0:22:21 GMT -5
Stillfocused, you bring up some good points. I'm not going to lie, watching that entire video saddened me, it really did. I can only pray that God would have mercy upon his soul.
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Post by Grace on Jan 6, 2007 23:47:30 GMT -5
I agree with stillfocused where is the mercy? I wish that no man would perish. Yes he did some things that were haneous and maybe he deserved death, but my question is how many of us Christians prayed for this man to be shown the truth and the lfie through Jesus Christ? the other thing which plays in the back of my mind is yes he was guilty however as a martyr he propels his cause even further. Those who followed him the insurgents will continue with there destruction. this may just add more fuel to the fire only time will tell. I pray however that someone shared the Gospel with him before he was killed.
Lets be real although he was sentenced by his own, the US still propelled this action into being. At the end of the day all will answer for there sins.
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Post by auneeqsol on Jan 7, 2007 10:07:49 GMT -5
I dont know , and this is just me, but...
Yes it was sad and all, but this man broke the laws. He took lives for the heck of it because of the evil in his heart. I'm sure (possibly) in all of his years that Saddam has heard something of the risen saviour in his hearing. I mean this was one of the world's most infamous leader/dictator. If we dont yield ourselves to the will of God then we will not walk in his ways. See when I think of all the things that he had did or were responsible for, I automatically think of Pride. We know how pride is, I mean pride was behind the incident with Lucifer. In other words Pride will have you thinkin you own the universe, and everyone around you are seeing that you dont.
And look at the ppl that followed him. I mean the ones that loved him....they were messed up too. Thats not normal. I mean someone can murder someone over jealousy, or an argument getting mad, and so on, and we see that there is at least a motive behind that, but when you make innocent women and children run over a minefield just to set off the mines to make it safe for you and your men....that's wicked.
Im not saying this in anger, but he was given the punishment for the crimes that he committed according to their laws. Its nothing different than over here if a serial killer gets the chair or the needle for going on a killing spree and killing innocent ppl for a crazed high. And as a matter of fact, I think he was treated with the utmost respect in the matter. He had a fair trial, he got a chance to speak his side (whatever that was) He was not abused and misused, or anything, when he showed up in court he was dressed neatly (except for a cpl of times with the beard and all) but he was treated with much more respect than he had given his victims.
And to be honest, the quaran does not even teach that much violence, that is something that Saddam wanted to do according to the evil hunger for power and control in his heart. And you have to realize, he was a dictator, not just a president or a loving leader.
Personally I feel like him hanging, was nothing compared to the hurt, pain and anguish that the family experienced. Now dont get me wrong I understand the spiritual consequences behind his death (without Christ) and I understand his future is not too bright right now, but im saying for the sake of the families. I mean it could have been in Singapore, where I heard they torture their criminals. He could have just been beat everyday for so many days, or had his hands and feet cut off....what im saying is, he was dealt pretty fair in this whole ordeal. And to say that we all deserve to die for our sins to me is being a bit extreme. I mean I know that its true for the most part, but we are talking about something totally different.
You cant just take ppl's lives for fun, or amusement, or because your'e feeling vengeful today...you cant just do that. Yes we deserve to die for our sins, but that's what Christ did come for, so thats covered, So we can thank God for that. That has nothing to do with Saddam being guilty as charged or just as being for the things that he has done. If you are guilty you are guilty. He thought no one would ever be able to call him on what he has done, because he was the ruler, the dictator, the head man in charge. You still have to pay for your crimes, thats just the law aside from the wages of sin.
We were born in sin, beyond our control, we didnt ask for that. But Saddam knew what he wanted to do and he did it. He is responsible. He knew what he was doing, he wasnt forced into anything. Im just saying, let's not lose focus here on what happened concerning the whole thing, from the crimes to the death. Like I said it is sad, but what can you say?
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Post by stillfocused on Jan 7, 2007 23:21:23 GMT -5
This post is going in another direction..Grace hit it on the head. Whether we like it or not the US played a major role in this situation..both before the present and the war before. It was our presidents who financed some of the madness that this man perpertrated..God have mercy !! There was not grace showed for this man and just wonder how the Apostle Paul would have handled this situation..remember he assisted in the killing of believers and had encounter with Jesus that changed his life...
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Post by auneeqsol on Jan 8, 2007 0:55:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry....I guess I didnt know there was a certain direction that this post was intended to go..(honestly) I just thought that we were to comment on it.
But I have to say....whether we think that the U.S. propelled this or not, we can't forget that Saddam did those horrible acts. He authorized it. Now I really can't go along with what was said concerning the U.S. funding some of the things that Saddam did, because there is no proof of this being true. ( only according to what I have read or seen) If I am wrong please enlighten me to some facts. And I would like to know what was in it for the U.S. to support those terrible acts.
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Post by stillfocused on Jan 8, 2007 11:25:36 GMT -5
It is very understandable that he did wrong..yet, God forbid for us to take the stance that our country is perfect and God oh, so pleased with us. At the time I wondered if the circumstances warranted..would our leaders who have stolen from us; killed other, and participated in killings..would they too have been hung ?! History tells us that many have partitcipated in some crimes against people that our country still refuse to acknowledge happened.
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Post by Beck on Jan 8, 2007 13:49:49 GMT -5
This post is going in another direction..Grace hit it on the head. Whether we like it or not the US played a major role in this situation..both before the present and the war before. It was our presidents who financed some of the madness that this man perpertrated..God have mercy !! There was not grace showed for this man and just wonder how the Apostle Paul would have handled this situation..remember he assisted in the killing of believers and had encounter with Jesus that changed his life... Once again I will say that YOU HAVE TOO keep in mind that Iraq is GOVERNED by Islamic law. If you understand their law then you know why he was hanged.
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Post by auneeqsol on Jan 8, 2007 14:52:09 GMT -5
This post is going in another direction..Grace hit it on the head. Whether we like it or not the US played a major role in this situation..both before the present and the war before. It was our presidents who financed some of the madness that this man perpertrated..God have mercy !! There was not grace showed for this man and just wonder how the Apostle Paul would have handled this situation..remember he assisted in the killing of believers and had encounter with Jesus that changed his life... And Im thinkin that Saddam knew that the law permits one to be hanged if sentenced of a certain crime. My thing is that Saddam didnt think it would come to this. But in a way he reaped what he had sown. I just dont see it any other way, but you know im just one person, with one opinion. It doesnt take presidence over facts or anything.
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Post by stillfocused on Jan 8, 2007 15:30:38 GMT -5
I understand the law..yet, we can't dismiss the role that our leaders played in all that has happened..and just a thought...Are ready for the same kind of punishment to take place on our soil...as America is quickly becoming an Islamic country ? Because they don't live by the rules governed here when they move here.
Just a side note I watching Dateline last night and they showing how many were willing to hook up with a 13 yr to have sex..one man was from the Middle East and he was not aware that it was against the law to have sex with a 13 yr old. That scenerio showed me that he not did not only did not know the law..yet, had no regret for it.
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Post by Beck on Jan 8, 2007 16:12:06 GMT -5
I understand the law..yet, we can't dismiss the role that our leaders played in all that has happened..and just a thought...Are ready for the same kind of punishment to take place on our soil...as America is quickly becoming an Islamic country ? Because they don't live by the rules governed here when they move here. Just a side note I watching Dateline last night and they showing how many were willing to hook up with a 13 yr to have sex..one man was from the Middle East and he was not aware that it was against the law to have sex with a 13 yr old. That scenerio showed me that he not did not only did not know the law..yet, had no regret for it. First thing ... America will never be a Islamic country.. Second thing is america had nothing to do with Sadaam Murdering families and killing Muslims who didnt agree with his views. If you are talking about training and providing weapons for war, thats something different. Sadaam wasnt killed for that.. he was killed for something else. Of course a muslim person who reads the haddith would think that its okay for a muslim to have sex with a minor.. after all the prophet muhammed had sex with a 9 year old and married her. Getting back to sadaam... Justice was served according to his beliefs, my only concern is that he didnt know Christ as Lord and Savior. Its not like he never had the chance to accept Christ or learn more about him... Its a choice he made and ... you reap what you sow.
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