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Post by Beck on May 4, 2007 9:39:26 GMT -5
A man's gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men.
What is this passage talking about?
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 4, 2007 9:52:32 GMT -5
Although many people preach that it is talking about Spiritual Gifts, it is not. It talks about presents, offerings - gifts and the power it has to influence great men - those whom also have power and influence!
Bribes
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Post by Beck on May 4, 2007 10:04:53 GMT -5
Although many people preach that it is talking about Spiritual Gifts, it is not. It talks about presents, offerings - gifts and the power it has to influence great men - those whom also have power and influence! Bribes So are they wrong for preaching it against the meaning of the text? |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 4, 2007 12:29:43 GMT -5
I believe they should teach it in context and if they wish to use the principle of it, they should state that is what they are doing. But to just simply preach it as if that is what it is saying (Spiritual Gifts) then yes, they are in error.
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Post by krazeeboi on May 10, 2007 19:15:48 GMT -5
This is one of those scriptures that can have a double application.
Here's another one: "A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight." (Proverbs 11:1)
This is obviously talking about cheating with scales, i.e. unjust business practices, but it can be applied to life in general. An unbalanced life is not a good thing (i.e., a married woman/mother spending all her time at church and neglecting her home). Another one, which is a bit more common, is Philippians 4:13:
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
This scripture has a very specific context, namely suffering. Paul was essentially saying that he knows how to suffer for the sake of Christ, i.e. do all things. But we use it in a more general sense of encouragement. Nothing wrong with that, but we also need to be aware of the primary meaning of the text.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 11, 2007 5:33:49 GMT -5
yes, you can apply the principle of a scripture to areas of your life - that is what I said.  |
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Post by Beck on May 11, 2007 13:00:34 GMT -5
This is one of those scriptures that can have a double application. Here's another one: "A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight." (Proverbs 11:1) This is obviously talking about cheating with scales, i.e. unjust business practices, but it can be applied to life in general. An unbalanced life is not a good thing (i.e., a married woman/mother spending all her time at church and neglecting her home). Another one, which is a bit more common, is Philippians 4:13: "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." This scripture has a very specific context, namely suffering. Paul was essentially saying that he knows how to suffer for the sake of Christ, i.e. do all things. But we use it in a more general sense of encouragement. Nothing wrong with that, but we also need to be aware of the primary meaning of the text. I agree with what you are saying, but how many times do we actually hear these passages taught or preached in context? Some times we use principles so much that the true meaning of scripture has been lost behind all of it. I could look at Phil 4:13 the way every christian looks at it, and never understand WHY the holyghost allowed Paul to write those words. I have NEVER heard the passage in Proverbs 18:16 dealing with bribes. Maybe its just the company that I keep..lol. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 11, 2007 13:57:49 GMT -5
This is one of those scriptures that can have a double application. Here's another one: "A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight." (Proverbs 11:1) This is obviously talking about cheating with scales, i.e. unjust business practices, but it can be applied to life in general. An unbalanced life is not a good thing (i.e., a married woman/mother spending all her time at church and neglecting her home). Another one, which is a bit more common, is Philippians 4:13: "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." This scripture has a very specific context, namely suffering. Paul was essentially saying that he knows how to suffer for the sake of Christ, i.e. do all things. But we use it in a more general sense of encouragement. Nothing wrong with that, but we also need to be aware of the primary meaning of the text. I agree with what you are saying, but how many times do we actually hear these passages taught or preached in context? Some times we use principles so much that the true meaning of scripture has been lost behind all of it. I could look at Phil 4:13 the way every christian looks at it, and never understand WHY the holyghost allowed Paul to write those words. I have NEVER heard the passage in Proverbs 18:16 dealing with bribes. Maybe its just the company that I keep..lol. lol to your last statement but everything before that receives a hearty AMEN!! |
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Post by stillfocused on May 11, 2007 14:56:30 GMT -5
I understand what Beck is talking about when saying how this passage of scripture being used for bribes. Look at it this way.." You gave when I was building and now since you gave during my buildin project..I will do the same for you. Any business majors or college students remember this " You wash my back and I'll wash yours !!"
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