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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 6, 2006 15:04:45 GMT -5
The reason I presented the question wasnt because we try and listen to what others say, but its been a wonder to me how it is that some ppl sound the same, and some sound different. In most black charismatic churches especially, it could be possible that ppl jump on the bandwagon with others and become copy cats, and not even know it. And that's not to say that it is all bad to be like that, because when some first come in and first get saved, they tend to find someone to pattern themselves after, whether it be a fellow member or their Pastor. But it can become a problem, because one can start trying to do everything like that person and never find thier identity in the ministry, and they become a copy cat for sure, then one could struggle with if it is truly inspired or have they just been trying to be like someone else. I have been to some churches to where ppl shout just like their Pastor, everyone does the same things (gestures in praise etc.) And its not that I was seeking out that information, but when one is very observant of their environment, one can notice. We understand (hopefully) that one must work out their own salvation and that one must never compare themselves to another because that's not wise. I was just wondering has anyone ever noticed that, and was there an explanation for it. Because i've been there in that position of wanting to be like someone else, but God had to show me who I was in the kingdom, and to let me know I must operate as such. But we're still growing and learning everyday and thats a good thing. PPL from the same church have similar anointing.... The anointing from the leader is pass down to the members... Same as Joshua received Moses spirit and Elisha had the same or similar anointing the Elijah had. AT Does that apply to the gift of speaking in tongues? |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 6, 2006 15:05:09 GMT -5
PPL from the same church have similar anointing.... The anointing from the leader is pass down to the members... Same as Joshua received Moses spirit and Elisha had the same or similar anointing the Elijah had. AT Would that apply to stuff that isn't annointed? Hmmm... IMO, Yep!! |
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Post by auneeqsol on Apr 6, 2006 16:31:51 GMT -5
Hmmmmm thats something right there.....ppl dont think about that too much, but i believe its just like that, ppl can take on the spirit of the pastor quick, because thats who they look to. IMO that can be a good thing and that can be a bad thing....  |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 6, 2006 17:05:57 GMT -5
People speaking in tongues "like their pastor/leader" is not biblical. It is as the SPIRIT give utterance.
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Post by MsKayLander on Apr 11, 2006 14:18:38 GMT -5
I have seen people "shout" the same according to what church they go to... never have I heard people speak in tongues the same... but then again....... |
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Post by G3 on Apr 17, 2006 18:59:32 GMT -5
To associate one will assimulate. Some call it "kindred spirits".
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 19, 2006 8:44:21 GMT -5
PPL from the same church have similar anointing.... The anointing from the leader is pass down to the members... Same as Joshua received Moses spirit and Elisha had the same or similar anointing the Elijah had. AT Does that apply to the gift of speaking in tongues? The same gifts that was operating in Elijah's ministry, was operating in Elisha ministry, but with less trails. The same as Joshua and Moses. Yes... They might walk and operates the Gifts alike.... Everything is not spell out in scripture, but there are some examples, parables, and teaching in the Bible that will let us know it is possible. But it may not always be the case with every situation. Many time.... if you know the leader of a church, you can recognize the members of that church without asking what church they belong to. AT |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 19, 2006 10:17:38 GMT -5
but that does not apply to speaking in tongues.
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 19, 2006 14:56:44 GMT -5
It apply to all gifts.... evening speaking in tongues
When I first start speaking in tongue.... it consisted of one word and I was proud of that one word. The more I prayed in the Spirit, the more words were added to my tongues. I wasn't in a church that believe was for today, so only time I saw other speaking in tongue was when we had a small prayer group on the college campus.
When I moved and joined a church that was into spiritual warfare and the gifts were freely used, I noticed a big change in the way I speak in tongues, not only unknown tongue, but also in the language of different countries I was praying for. I also notice that most of us had the same style of tongues. It wasn't the same, but somewhat similar.
I believe Timothy, Titus and other who was under the leadership of Apostle Paul, had the same type of anointing and spirit as Paul. In I Cor 12:17-18, Paul reveal that Titus walked in the same spirit as he walked.
I believe it is possible members of the same church to speaak in similar tongues.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 19, 2006 15:14:54 GMT -5
okay so are you saying that it is no longer the Spirit that gives utterance and it is based on where one fellowships? (I am trying to get an understanding of what you are saying).
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 19, 2006 18:38:47 GMT -5
No... I'm not saying that at all.... Members of the same church.... those who are really connected to that church, operate under the same type of anointing. Their tongue may sound the same or similar, they may have the same style of praising, worship, prayer, teaching or preaching. What ever spirit that leader have, him/her member may have the same spirit. Just like a child may talk like their parent. A child can be born and raise in the USA and attended a all American school, but speak with an accent like their parent. Yes, the Spirit give utterance, but don't affect the style of the tongue.
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Post by MsKayLander on Apr 20, 2006 9:39:25 GMT -5
Some interesting info I found...
And how about this...
Question: Were the tongues in Acts different from the tongues in 1 Corinthians?
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 20, 2006 10:29:52 GMT -5
The tongues in Acts on the Day of Pentecost (think that's what you mean) were different than the "tongues" of Corinthians.
The tongues in the book of Acts on the day of Pentecost, they were not speaking in "unknown tongues" because in the scripture it says "
Acts 2:
5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
On the day of Pentecost those that were speaking were understood by others.. That's just like me being filled with the HG and start speaking Japanese at a service and my brothers and sisters from Japan understand what I am saying.
Which brings me to this thought:
If the people on the day of Pentecost were speaking in known languages than why is it that we today can only experience a movement of the HG through unknown tongues?
During many tarrying services when one is seeking the HG they use the verses in Acts 2 as a foundation to why one should have the evidence of speaking in tongues, but according scripture it is not so............
I'll be back to discuss the Church at Corinth...............
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Post by MsKayLander on Apr 20, 2006 10:43:48 GMT -5
At tarry service they used to say... when GOD is in the house, he'll speak out of the house... to let everyone know that He is in the house....  |
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 20, 2006 11:55:25 GMT -5
Thank Livinganewlife,
In Act 2, They spoke in a known tongues that was unknown to the people that spoke it. These languages that is unknown to the preson that speaking it. I witnessed this happen and heard testimonies. A evangelist from Costa Rico came to our church to do a revival. One night we did not have an interpretor for her. She did the whole revival in tongues in our language, it was powerful. There was a time when a pastor from South Africa who only speak Creole, the person that we was going to use as an interpretor from Hatti did not speak English as well as we thought, my Apostle who don't speak Creole interpreted for him.
I Cor 12:10 say divers kinds of tongues...
I Cor 14, we see different type of tongue:
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Verse 2 - For he that speaketh in an unknown tongues speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no manunderstandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh misteries.
There a different in speaking to men vs speaking to God
When you speak to men... God speaking to you, to editify the church
When you speak to God... you are strengthening and edifying yourself.
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Vs 5. I would that all spake with tongues... (nothing wrong with speaking in tongue) but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaVsvketh tongues, except he intrepert, thaat the church may receeeive edifying.
This verse did not say unknown tongues , it say tongues... This tongue is interpreted by the person who speaking it, not an interpretor. You give men the message from God by interpreting your own tongues.
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Vs13. Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue, pray that he may interpret.
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Vs 14. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. Vs 15. What is this then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with understanding also.
read Romans 8:26... Paul say he pray with the spirit (unknown tongues) and he pray with understanding... and Vs. 16, Paul sing with the spirit (Unknown tongue) and with understanding.
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Vs. 27 & 28... If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Here Paul did not tell the person speaking in unknown tongue to interpret, but for it to be done by 2 or 3 and only one interpret. If there no interpreter, that person must be quiet and speak to himself and God... AT
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