In Light of Azusa, What is The Father Saying

[Nikkol]

g3 said:

Nikkol, It runs deeper than just an outward display of division. Each venue represented a body that fragmented through racism and doctrinal differences. As a whole, the church lack courage to adress this but rather sweep it under their religious carpets and shout, praise and speak in tongues over it.

However if you go back to where the clergy/laity distinction started, you will end up at Catholocism. Catholocism brought back the "temple" and the "priests" all of which you didn't find in the early church. SO as the church evolved (starting with The Protestant Reformation) you have a breaking away from some things but still never getting totally to the purity of the Scriptures. However, I believe that if the purity of the church would've remained intact from the beginning, the racism factor as well as different doctrines wouldn't have come into play. There would be only one doctrine/teaching for the church was continuously told to watch out for people teaching false doctrine, etc.

I look at it as a beautiful painting of a landscape. If someone comes and paints different patterns on top of it, the original painting is damaged. In order to get it back to its original form, one has to get someone that is good at restoring paintings. This process will take time but when it is completed, it will look beautiful. The church is the beautiful painting and Catholocism was the person that painted different patterns on top of it. We are now using the HS to restore the Church to it's original form/intention..... and there is starting to be a greater ditinction between the two: You have those that are going closer towards God and His will while others are going more and more towards Catholocism.

[G3]

Nikkol, in light of your own spiritual observation and what's been burning in your spirit, without prejudice, what do you hear in your spirit of what the Father is saying to the church today?

[ybrown]

electladynb said:

However if you go back to where the clergy/laity distinction started, you will end up at Catholocism. Catholocism brought back the "temple" and the "priests" all of which you didn't find in the early church. SO as the church evolved (starting with The Protestant Reformation) you have a breaking away from some things but still never getting totally to the purity of the Scriptures. However, I believe that if the purity of the church would've remained intact from the beginning, the racism factor as well as different doctrines wouldn't have come into play. There would be only one doctrine/teaching for the church was continuously told to watch out for people teaching false doctrine, etc.

Nikkol, Nikkol, Nikkol. What you just said here is absolute perfection in terms of where the church is today and how it got here. Girl, you summed it poetically, prophetically and without a stitch of error. The only thing I would add - and this is not an exaggeration - not one church or denomination has it right. Essentially, most of Christendom is preaching a false God and a false Gospel. That's why we get called out on the carpet so much and when it happens I do not believe it to be the work of Satan either.

I look at it as a beautiful painting of a landscape. If someone comes and paints different patterns on top of it, the original painting is damaged. In order to get it back to its original form, one has to get someone that is good at restoring paintings. This process will take time but when it is completed, it will look beautiful. The church is the beautiful painting and Catholocism was the person that painted different patterns on top of it. We are now using the HS to restore the Church to it's original form/intention..... and there is starting to be a greater ditinction between the two: You have those that are going closer towards God and His will while others are going more and more towards Catholocism.

As beautiful as your first statement was, I'll have to disagree with this one. Yes, the Catholic church is at fault for a lot of the paganism that the chuch overall has adopted, but we've had ample time to correct it, and yet we still haven't.

The church over the past 2000 years has been filtered through Jewish mythology, Greek paganism, norse mythology and the errors and politcs of men to the point that now we've adopted the very doctrines of devils that God so often warned about!

The very first recorded lie that Satan ever used on us is still being perpetuated by the Church today! Satan said it, we believed and that settled it. All God can do is shake His head and tap some of us on the shoulders.

Let's face it - the Gospel that we preach today is too comfy for most to get out of. We've reclined in the ole' Lazyboy, got our feet up and a cold glass of lemonade and we ain't about move on it...not yet, anyway. The time is coming when this too shall change.

[Beck]

Nikkol and YB, you both make some GREAT points!! The question I ask is how far are we willing to go back to find the original plan that God laid out for his people? for some it will go back to Jewish traditions and customs and for others it wont be that far. Its almost like a never ending rabbit hole that you will be in. Are we willing to lay aside false doctrines that we have been brought up on, taught in seminary school, learned in Sunday school, etc. thats the challenge that most will face.

YB, I know what you are feeling and going through at this moment... Be encouraged in your period of being " stretched ". remember...they that hunger and thirst after righteousness shall be filled.

[ybrown]

elderbeck said:

Nikkol and YB, you both make some GREAT points!! The question I ask is how far are we willing to go back to find the original plan that God laid out for his people? for some it will go back to Jewish traditions and customs and for others it wont be that far. Its almost like a never ending rabbit hole that you will be in. Are we willing to lay aside false doctrines that we have been brought up on, taught in seminary school, learned in Sunday school, etc. thats the challenge that most will face.

YB, I know what you are feeling and going through at this moment... Be encouraged in your period of being " stretched ". remember...they that hunger and thirst after righteousness shall be filled.

Elder, I'm at the lowest point and one of the worst times in my life, but it's also the most spiritually enriching as well. Thank you for the encouragement. May God bless you in your time of stretching and growth, too.

[nina]

"The question I ask is how far are we willing to go back to find the original plan that God laid out for his people? for some it will go back to Jewish traditions and customs and for others it wont be that far. Its almost like a never ending rabbit hole that you will be in. Are we willing to lay aside false doctrines that we have been brought up on, taught in seminary school, learned in Sunday school, etc. thats the challenge that most will face."

Elder Beck, this is just me, wearing my simpleton's hat:

- "how far are willing to go back to find the original plan that God laid out for his people?"

IMHO, we don't have to go anywhere far, especially not back. We do have to stop though... God has not changed, which does not mean that he is static either.
His word is constantly coming to pass. The truth is whole, and the the truth is one: "I am the way, the truth and the life". That's one word, one name: Jesus.

Sure, we can agree to disagree, maybe too much sometimes... But when does it become compromise? If we could only replace all our "whats" with "whos", not in an abstract way, but a very real one, it would make a difference... Who do I represent? Who do I stand for? In whose name do I speak? Who am I faithful to?...

Sometimes, I do have questions like: what if, on just one Sunday, nobody went to church, yet actually "had church"? What if we (general) actually spent that time realising what, who our reality as believers is, and where our reality as believers lies? How much louder does He have to roar for us to hear?

I found this worth pondering:

"If one deviates from the truth even one iota they have removed themselves from the everlasting reality and even though the majority is still true, the totality is false."

[Beck]

ybrown said:

elderbeck said:

Nikkol and YB, you both make some GREAT points!! The question I ask is how far are we willing to go back to find the original plan that God laid out for his people? for some it will go back to Jewish traditions and customs and for others it wont be that far. Its almost like a never ending rabbit hole that you will be in. Are we willing to lay aside false doctrines that we have been brought up on, taught in seminary school, learned in Sunday school, etc. thats the challenge that most will face.

YB, I know what you are feeling and going through at this moment... Be encouraged in your period of being " stretched ". remember...they that hunger and thirst after righteousness shall be filled.

Elder, I'm at the lowest point and one of the worst times in my life, but it's also the most spiritually enriching as well. Thank you for the encouragement. May God bless you in your time of stretching and growth, too.

Now isnt that something...keep hanging in there sister. If its not worth fighter for, then its probably not worth having. Keep fighting the good fight of faith. He isnt just the God of the mountains, but he is also the God of the valley as well. He can and will meet you where ever you are.