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Post by G3 on Apr 13, 2006 12:34:08 GMT -5
Shall He respond because we have desinated a set date? Is the Father ordered by the time and season of man? Shall the sun and stars stop their watch because the sons and daughters of man have made their decree? Shall the Father walk between the halves of our fleshly sacrifices? What is required of the Father? What are the expectations of all creation?
For the heart of the Father is intimacy and fellowship with His Love children. That they may know Him in Spirt and in Truth
I take pleasure with the children of my Love. Which of you have a child in whom you take joy and pleasure in nurturing. To embrace in your loving parental arms and feel the life in that child against your breasts? In deep thought you whisper, this child is mine, only to have that love child to reconize you not really knowing and embracing you. O how I long my children to know me. Not by gatherings. Not by sacrifices. Not by the services they set in order. But by the intimacy of heart do I long and take pleasure in fellowshipping with my childrens. There will be no hidden things from you. My thoughts and secrets shall I give unto you. For this is your heritage and your inheritance is in the Son of my Love.
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Post by auneeqsol on Apr 13, 2006 14:14:58 GMT -5
I wanted to say on a different note. I understand what happened on Azusa Street and what it means even today, but my question is, The Holy Ghost was given on the day of Pentecost, and then after, when was it "lost" so to speak to the world, or to the Western World? Or was Azusa Street the mark of the Holy Ghost being introduced to the Western World? I mean the Holy Ghost has been given already, is this a "charismatic" thing that we embarked on? Or is it that the "gift(s)" was just stirred up? Because the HolyGhost has always been in the earth since the day of Pentecost. How do you think God viewed this? Was it really a historical move from God as far as being ordained? Or did someone just catch on to seeking the Lord and thought that it was the most phenomenal thing since the day of Pentecost? If someone could please refresh my memory on history of the Azusa street outpouring..Did the leaders over it ever say that God had summoned them to meet there or that they received a word from the Lord that something great or big was going to happen? Just Wondering.... (dont stone me please...lol  ) |
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 13, 2006 15:27:20 GMT -5
What God did back in 1906, may be a whole different movement today..... Nothing wrong with celebrating what God did 100 years ago.... Nothing wrong with desiring another outpour (we know the Holy Spirit is already here, He never left since Pentacost) of the Holy Spirit another word the manifestion of the power of the Holy Spirit.
We don't know if this celebration is God's Will or not, so we can't really judge it. I do know we desire God to move in the church today like He did in 1906.... with the manifestion of Fire, like the burn bush in Moses' days affect.... with the raising of the dead.... with the healing and deliverance.... with the sancification.... 7/24/365 ongoing prayer, worship and praise service. ... with the signs and wonder.... With all God's Glory.... Some leaders might just drop dead at the pulpit (those those abused their authority and God's children).... God just might move in away that no one would thought He would move..... He might begin to judge, clean and sancify the Church.... He might come with a Rod or Axe.... Just because He moved in 1906, don't mean He going to move 2006... We can't put a limit on when, where and how God will move this century... We just might get move than what we asked for.
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Post by G3 on Apr 13, 2006 16:03:05 GMT -5
If anyone throw stones at you must first throw them at me. And if they throw them at me, they must first go through Christ.
This movement went further back beyond past Azusa to Topeka Kansas. Still one must venture across the Alantic to Europe to Walse. Many people gravitated to the phenominal experience of the Azusa fire because of what was broadcast (people were far more reverent to God and spiritual minded than today) concerning Bonnie Brea and because of that "wanting something more" to satisfy their inner hunger and thirst (same as today with a few) for the deep things of God. So when it was broadcast of this "new thing" that, in reality, never was substantiated by confirmation in three witnesses (true prophets of God with the foreknowledge of it, would be made known to them in preparing the hearts of the people because of the divine magnatude and purpose and plan of the God-Head. Never has the Father moved in such magnitude without being specific with the prophets), but only validated by sporadic extractions from various confirmation of biblical "after Facts", they came in violent fashion and took this experience of the Kingdom by force. The church made it more than what it was. Through this, the Father, in His divine Love and existing presence in true saints was able to move by His Spirit (because of the true saints that were present as mediums) to convict the unsaved of rightiousness, judgment and sin and touch by His Spirit the saints to stimulation of the "work of the ministry".
Though we place a premium on the positive side of Azusa on a pedistal and glorified it, we yet hid the dark side of Azusa and the prominant components of Azusa and locked it away in the back room like a shamed relative fearing one day it may wonder out. Any historian knows what was behind the scene. And if that is the case, why do we still esteme this in comparison[/b] to "Pentecost" as a move of the Holy Ghost?
This week we are celebrating the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua. We penpointed the exact day of Yeshua's resurrection. This we know and a documented fact. Our Savior rose on the third watch. For 40 days He walked amongst men. Then He acsended to the right hand of the Father. Before His ascention He spoke to His chosen people who documented His Word as He breath upon them. Recieve ye the Spirit! Tarry! Wait! Be endued with power! For 10 days they waited. In the fulness of Pentecost or 50 days from the time of Passover, the time of Jubilation and freedom in the Spirit of Liberation. My question to all of christiandom is this. How can we have an unparalell event such as "Pentecost" in uncomprehendable and unmeasuring flawless magnitude and not commemorate June 8th, but we'll pull out all stops for something psudo with many flaws and make it a week of something holy to cash in for future itineraries?
Come on, throw your stones I can take
AT, none of us has reached the limits of the unlimited mind and will of God. Even those of us who walk heart to heart that echos the voice of the Father has at times been left in the dark on many occasions. You said something that is very profound. But what we will get is what we need. And that is cleansing and purginging and sanctifying. It will not happen that week as a whole. Maybe a trickle here and there for a few individuals. But as a whole, stoney grounds. More sensationalism than substance
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Post by auneeqsol on Apr 13, 2006 17:41:08 GMT -5
Hmmm that was a very interesting way to explain that and break it down to the heart of what i was asking. Thanks , that was sort of exactly what i was lookin for. And oh yeah thanks for havin my back!!  i'll just hide behind you when i wanna say something big and controversial...LOL |
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Post by G3 on Apr 24, 2006 10:35:24 GMT -5
Seeing all the great names that are participating in commemorating to what we have labled as an historical event. Men and women traveling from around the world, from every culture and race by the 100's of thousands to a little alleyway off San Pedro between 2nd and 3rd in the section of Little Tokyo called "Azusa Street" Millions upon millions is being and will continue to be spent in an effort that this comemoration is a success and the Father is pleased. But is He?
ALL THINGS ARE PERMISSIBLE, BUT ALL THINGS ARE NOT HIS PERFECT WILL
Where has all the prophets gone? Why haven't the Watchers sound the warninig of determine destruction at the hands of the Wasters? At a time so fitting as hearts are cultivated, ears opened and the gaze is heaven bound, where are the "sowers of the seeds" so that the ground may recieve the seed and the husbandman may water? Has their readiness harden their hearts that they recieve not? Has their openess prevent them from hearing? Are they blind for seeing? The Lord has brought a great slumber and sleep amongst the people. As one that awakes in blured vision, so has the people awakened. Most has followed Miriam as she plays skillfuly upon the tamborine and piped unto the people. The elders has looked to Aaron as he fashion the "image" of their minds the thing that is to be desired. As the remnant of the Lord abides in His presence for intructions and the Law the people gathered in the camp to dance and rejoice around the "image". The image that the people replaceed instead of the "true".[/i]
And what shall come of this? For something of great Truth shall come from this gathering. But It shall not be that what the people imagine in their hearts. Great signs of warnings and rebukes shall follow and sweep across this land to reprove, chasten, purge, prune and to purify His people and to consume the shaff.
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Post by stillfocused on May 22, 2006 23:28:57 GMT -5
I wondered as I watched a basketball being played in the Staples Centers hours after the festivities had ended.."If the power of God was strong in that place for days..how can these men stand and play ball ? " They should have been over taken by the presence of the Holy Spirit..that was reported to be very in that place...salvation, repentance, deliverance, and etc.
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Post by G3 on May 23, 2006 8:39:13 GMT -5
Five different venues all on the same night each persuasion or charismatic pentacostal wave proclaiming it's part and birth from this historic event. All the great names from their distinct religious background. No venue large enough to acommodate the mass of people or egos? Was this division a sign of what the church has acually become? "A valley of disconnect dry bones"? Is Christ divided? Has Christ favor one group over another? Has the name Ichabod grace the banners over these assemblies and gatherings? Let those that are spiritual and seasoned judge and if there be a "Rightious Judgment" amongst the people, where is the accountibility?
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Post by Jasmine on May 23, 2006 16:02:23 GMT -5
I wondered as I watched a basketball being played in the Staples Centers hours after the festivities had ended.."If the power of God was strong in that place for days..how can these men stand and play ball ? " They should have been over taken by the presence of the Holy Spirit..that was reported to be very in that place...salvation, repentance, deliverance, and etc. Honesty,and please i do not mean to offend, because it is general. It is the same exact thing as going to church and saying The Presence of God was sho nuff strong in this place today..Yet people still walk out unchanged. What am I saying" None of that negates that fact the God was Yet in the room. If the church goer who "feels" and/or experiences the presence of the living God every sunday and whatever other day, can still leave out and sleep with the elder's wife, or curse another member. To me, a basketball team can still go out and play ball. Also, a basketball player could have the favour of God upon him, and in such atmosphere could have an outstanding game.  |
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Post by stillfocused on May 23, 2006 23:02:19 GMT -5
Jasmine..no offense taken. I have been in church buildings and heard someone saying the presence of the Lord is "here"..and wanted to shout "WHERE". Has being a believer become a club for all members to stand with their hands out to the Father ? in loud voices "give me this", " give me that", " I want this, I want that ", "it not enough, give me more", " it's not big enough..it has to be bigger"...This event was lauded as one of the biggest events that would have happened this year. And I just believe that the people who attended should have arrived at their homes, their churches, on fire..with signs and wonders following them. When the 120 encountered the Holy Spirit in the Upper Room they did not remain the same..not did they change..yet, the region begun to change. The disciples did not minister always in a building, they healed the sick in the market places..their shadows even healed people when they walked by.
This very key..the "church goer" is just that..a person who attends church..there is no change or transformation. They don't want to change..as they are not willing to be yielded to the Holy Spirit..change will not occur.
G3: I heard a person who went say that Bishop Jakes was in one place, Bishop Blake was in another, and somebody was somewhere else. My brother you have made a good observation..as the body is divided..so, goes the country in the same direction. Accountability..what accountability ? many feel that they don't need it and are not accountable
anyone who will speak the truth in love..telling them only what their itching ears want to hear.
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Post by Jasmine on May 24, 2006 13:14:51 GMT -5
Jasmine..no offense taken. I have been in church buildings and heard someone saying the presence of the Lord is "here"..and wanted to shout "WHERE". Has being a believer become a club for all members to stand with their hands out to the Father ? in loud voices "give me this", " give me that", " I want this, I want that ", "it not enough, give me more", " it's not big enough..it has to be bigger"...This event was lauded as one of the biggest events that would have happened this year. And I just believe that the people who attended should have arrived at their homes, their churches, on fire..with signs and wonders following them. When the 120 encountered the Holy Spirit in the Upper Room they did not remain the same..not did they change..yet, the region begun to change. The disciples did not minister always in a building, they healed the sick in the market places..their shadows even healed people when they walked by. This very key..the "church goer" is just that..a person who attends church..there is no change or transformation. They don't want to change..as they are not willing to be yielded to the Holy Spirit..change will not occur. G3: I heard a person who went say that Bishop Jakes was in one place, Bishop Blake was in another, and somebody was somewhere else. My brother you have made a good observation..as the body is divided..so, goes the country in the same direction. Accountability..what accountability ? many feel that they don't need it and are not accountable anyone who will speak the truth in love..telling them only what their itching ears want to hear. My point was, we can't say that God didn't move, or that these individuals did not come from the event willing and ready to do "greater" works. I wasn't there. I dont know. The fact that the individuals came to gether to Glorify and Magnify God, was a start in changing the atmosphere, whether spiritual or natural. God won't force himself on anybody, not even a whole arena coming to watch a basketball game, where the Presence of God was just highly exalted. |
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Post by Nikkol on May 24, 2006 13:51:21 GMT -5
Good points, Jasmine....
What exactly does this mean? That because they weren't all in the same place they were divided? Just a little confused.
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Post by stillfocused on May 25, 2006 22:37:38 GMT -5
Sorry..Nikkol, I meant to type "many are not accountable to anyone..except those you will tell them what their itching ears what to hear". The word of God tells us that a house divided against itself cannot stand. There is much division in the body of Christ.."My denomination is Missionary Baptist; what is your's ?", "does your church believe in speaking in tongues; I don't believe in that stuff". We complain about our nation turning away from God; yet, that happened long before it manifested; it occurred when the body of Christ turned it's back and began to seek the Father for all they could get. And this event was not different from the conferences that happen all over this country..just another event that served as a temporary
fix..no saying that many did not leave CA changed and ready to take the world by storm.
That's what many of those who attended Azusa many years, ago..did..
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Post by Nikkol on May 26, 2006 7:53:11 GMT -5
Sorry..Nikkol, I meant to type "many are not accountable to anyone..except those you will tell them what their itching ears what to hear". The word of God tells us that a house divided against itself cannot stand. There is much division in the body of Christ.."My denomination is Missionary Baptist; what is your's ?", "does your church believe in speaking in tongues; I don't believe in that stuff". We complain about our nation turning away from God; yet, that happened long before it manifested; it occurred when the body of Christ turned it's back and began to seek the Father for all they could get. And this event was not different from the conferences that happen all over this country..just another event that served as a temporary fix..no saying that many did not leave CA changed and ready to take the world by storm. That's what many of those who attended Azusa many years, ago..did.. OK.... I think that that is the result of "clergy/laity" distinction. Because if we were all as the body of Christ our brother's keeper, we would all be accountable to each other. |
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Post by G3 on May 26, 2006 8:41:05 GMT -5
Nikkol, It runs deeper than just an outward display of division. Each venue represented a body that fragmented through racism and doctrinal differences. As a whole, the church lack courage to adress this but rather sweep it under their religious carpets and shout, praise and speak in tongues over it.
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