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Post by auneeqsol on Jul 20, 2006 9:32:12 GMT -5
This is good , all the convos and all, but I truly wish someone would expound on what place does genetics have on what we call "generational curses" Now some say that a "generational curse" is not really a curse or spell that has been put on you and your family...lol but rather learned behavior from your surrounding, environment, etc. Now getting back to the diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and all those things, would those be considered generational curses? I hear ppl pray that all the time. That because of Christ we dont have to be victims of what our ancestors, and relatives went through even health wise. And they say we have the power and authority to denounce these things from over our lives. Now concerning certain diseases or illnesses. Some may say , well you have diabetes because you seen your grandparents, and parents eat pork, grease, fat, etc and cook the same way so therefore you cook and eat that way and you got it. Well is that the truth or , just in your genetic makeup there's a gene that has diabetes or high cholesterol written on it and it manifested in your life? Which is it, and do we really and truly have authority over those type of things? No one asks for cancer, and you cant get cancer from eating pig tails in collards...That's somethin that just pops up. Now if a persons grandma had it, mother, aunt, and then the person, what is the cause of that? Is that a generational curse that can be denounced? Is it genetics? Or is it just the natural breakdown or malfunction of the body? In the church we tend to spiritualize everything, but some things are just reality, and im not saying God cant and wont heal, but how should we look at these things? I heard an apostle ( he called himself one) preach, "I serve the God of healing, if you are sick with disease then you must dont serve my God or the God that heals, or you wouldnt be in bondage to sickness"......  So as the church we need some understanding..... Does anyone has any insight on this?...  |
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Post by livinganewlife on Jul 20, 2006 10:17:52 GMT -5
I haven't did any in depth study or research on Generational Curses however, based on the things that I have heard spewed over the pulpits, airwaves and TV.
What people are deeming as curses are just human nature and social backgrounds.
We can say Paris Hilton, has the generational curse of the "spoiled little rich girl" because in her lineage someone had money. But is that really a curse or just environmental (social) background.
This generational curse thing is so out of hand that people are rebuking "flat feet" and saying that flat feet is going to end with their baby....
We are the generation of knowledge and new revelations but in all of our getting we have not gotten full understanding and sometime I promise we make God look "crazy."
When roses germinate or whatever the process it take for the seed to develop into a rose, the other roses take on the formation and character and color of that seed which was planted in the ground.
If I am pregnant and I am AA my husband is AA we both have brown hair and everyone in our family has brown hair and green eyes. Than I would be foolish to think that my child has a generational curse because it has the characteristics of its mother and father.
At what point do we stop calling things a curse and just look a things logically; we don't have to be so deep on everything. Some things just are because they are.
The only thing that people (especially Christians) should have in common is Jesus and striving for the characteristics of Jesus.
Not going back trying to determine what curse has been put on my family.
We need to start binding and casting out a lot of this new teaching going on!
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Post by giantsdodie on Jul 20, 2006 13:05:11 GMT -5
The problem with most Christians is that they live on the extremes. Its either ALL or NOTHING with our understanding which is often flawed.
I think the problem here is that there are several different thoughts and understandings on what a curse is. There is a misunderstanging of how things operate in the realm of the spirit as well.
Lets use the diabetes issue for example. you can have a family where people are predisposed to diabetes. What needs to occur is PRAYER to see what the ROOT cause of the issue is. Is it simply bad diet or is it something deeper. You could come from a family that has a curse operating in their life ( and remember a curse is simply sin or inquity that exposes a person or persons to situations that decrease the quality of life ). YOU very well might be saved and love the Lord Hallelujah JESUS paid it all.. wooooooooooooooooooooo
But that DOES NOT mean that the enemy is not going to try and visit you with the curse. It doesnt mean he wont try to get you to BUY the lie. It doesnt mean you wont get evil reports from doctors about your condition. It doesnt mean your faith in GOD wont be tested.
And herein lies the problem.
Also living made mention of that generational curses being simply human nature. Thats true to an extent. However it is our human nature which can open the door for certain things in our lives.
Grandma had a husband that left her.. and all men are dogs..
Momma had a husband that left her and all men are no good and all men are dogs..
Now Baby Girl has the mindset that men are no good and I dont need a man,.. in fact I dont even want a man.. In fact you know what.. just give me a woman.. now we got lesbianism running in the family because of a MINDSET which opened the door to a BELIEF which then became a STRONGHOLD...
We have to understand how these things work and not just blow them off as having no spiritual affect because they do.
Cindy jacobs has a book called The Voice of God and it deals with this area in a few chapters and I recently begain reading this book again and it has some very good stuff in it.
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Post by livinganewlife on Jul 20, 2006 15:19:14 GMT -5
You could come from a family that has a curse operating in their life ( and remember a curse is simply sin or iniquity that exposes a person or persons to situations that decrease the quality of life ). it If generational curse "sin" exists in people lives than what was the purpose of Jesus washing us free from sin? It is almost like saying Jesus died and freed you from sin but there are some sins that are to strong for him to free you from. So you have to dig deep, research and find out the root of the problem and then Jesus can heal you. If we have to do all that than why do we need him to free us from sin. We can just find the root cause of the sin and tell him about it. The Bible says whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Not whosoever does a genealogy research.... This teaching contradicts the Bible on so many levels. The entire problem I have with the church nowadays and these new teachings is that everything has a crutch and tries to diminish the power of Jesus and the Power of the blood and the Holy Ghost that can keep us and wash us free from sin. We are so busy researching and have become so called knowledgeable that we have lost the POWER of the Word of God. Devils, demons and curses ain't scared of us no more. With all of our intellect and new revelations half of thee saints can't cast out a headache. The Word of God say I have given unto you POWER to tread on serpents and scorpions over ALL power of the enemy and nothing by any means shall harm you. And that nothing includes generational curses. Jesus paid it all! |
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Post by krazeeboi on Jul 20, 2006 15:57:41 GMT -5
If that is the case my family is cursed with highly educated people and we all are Greek. I am an Alpha Kappa Alpha, My mom is an AKA, My aunts are all AKA’s, my grandma was an AKA are we cursed to pledge AKA no. That was my and our environment and it was the only thing I knew. My father is an Alpha, my granddad is an Alpha and all my cousins are either AKA’s or Alpha’s. That is the environment in which we grew up, college was not an option pledging was not an option it was automatic thinking in my family. Is it a curse NO is it relevant NO........ Oh no, that's a blessing!!! A-PHIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!  |
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Post by krazeeboi on Jul 20, 2006 16:05:50 GMT -5
But that DOES NOT mean that the enemy is not going to try and visit you with the curse. Well, to be fair, the scripture says that the LORD visits the inquity of the fathers to the third and fourth generation. Maybe it's our terminology that's all screwed up. So maybe it's not a "curse" that we're under, but rather a particular sinful influence that we are predisposed to due to genetics or environmental upbringing. We cannot deny those types of pheonomena, as we've all mentioned many examples. But for the child of God, we are no longer under a curse. But that doesn't mean that the sin nature is gone, because it's not. I think we need to meet in the middle of the road on this issue. Good stuff, guys! |
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Post by livinganewlife on Jul 20, 2006 16:06:22 GMT -5
If that is the case my family is cursed with highly educated people and we all are Greek. I am an Alpha Kappa Alpha, My mom is an AKA, My aunts are all AKA’s, my grandma was an AKA are we cursed to pledge AKA no. That was my and our environment and it was the only thing I knew. My father is an Alpha, my granddad is an Alpha and all my cousins are either AKA’s or Alpha’s. That is the environment in which we grew up, college was not an option pledging was not an option it was automatic thinking in my family. Is it a curse NO is it relevant NO........ Oh no, that's a blessing!!! A-PHIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! LOL skee wee!! |
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Post by auneeqsol on Jul 20, 2006 20:54:02 GMT -5
So because one has an illness and they just cant seem to rid themselves of it, through prayer, diet , fasting, exercise, and they still have it (i.e. high blood pressure) then what say ye? Is that sin in their lives, are they accepting a curse or is that just due to family history and genetics. Sometimes if we spiritualize so many things it can confuse a person and make them question their faith and if they are a child of God then it can make them wonder , why cant i be healed, is it God's will for me to be healed? Why did this happen to me, I believe that God can do the impossible , but I still have it? How would one answer those questions, would one teach about denouncing generational curses? Hmmmm.......  |
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Post by stillfocused on Jul 20, 2006 21:05:31 GMT -5
I was reading my Bible during lunch and came across something very interesting. It had to with curses. This is not a new teaching it has been around for years; the first time I heard the teaching it blew me away; because the person who was preaching went into detail about this. There were many open doors in his family and the enemy had each of his brothers and sisters; yet, he was not allowed to touch him. The open door was witchcraft...and the title of his message was The Buck Stops Here. For those you who live in Philly, you may want to check out this brother; his name was Clarence Walker. As for the explanation with diabetes; Ia have been diagnoised with diabetes along with my Father. I gained weight; he dropped weight, I have been told that weight loss and exercise will allow me to go off of medication; my Dad's doctor will not take him off the meds. We are not sure what triggered his; yet, mine's is a result of poor eating habits and a sedetary lifestyle. He showed signs of the diease; I showed none. I was told that it was hereditary..do I believe that ? No !! My grandmother has it; my mom doesn't. If God mentioned them in his word; how can we believe in their existence ? All I know it this; when I got saved..everything didn't just go away.
Bishop Jakes has a message called the Spellbreaker..that deals with this every topic.
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Post by auneeqsol on Jul 21, 2006 9:15:57 GMT -5
But some saints make it seem like if you take meds or something you are not trusting in God , or if you refer to someone about your illness or disease, you are claiming it and not believing God to break the generational curse and heal you. I was 25 when I was told i had gestational diabetes, and then after the baby was born it lingered. I couldnt believe that I would have that!!! Im so young, but it happened....and I didnt even bother to learn about the illness prior to having it even tho it ran in my family.
And my mother n law has high blood pressure, she has changed her eating habits, she has lost almost 100 lbs, and she wasnt a really big lady even before, she works out every day, she walks about 3 miles around the track, and she has a membership with curves, and she is dedicated to her diet and exercise regimen, but she cant get off of high blood pressure meds so she said she has done what she could and it still remains, she said she is going to leave it in God's hands and just live on taking her meds. But it runs in the family, is it generational? I think SOME not all things are just a part of life, and living, we are not going to live for ever in these mortal bodies. I heard someone say the minute you begin to live, you begin to die........our bodies are breaking down everyday, but I do see that some things cant be explained and therefore maybe some kind of generational/spiritual thing.
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