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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 28, 2007 10:54:19 GMT -5
No one is beating anyone down. I am resolved to do less talking and more praying. While we might be privy to information we are also responsible for how, when and where we share that information. I am aware of certain things transpiring in certain ministries and some of it is a matter of public record, yet I am very careful about the when, how and to whom that information is revealed. What I am simply saying is that we need to continue to be wise as a serpent and yet gentle as a dove regarding this entire situation. What I am concerned about is the demonization of a man of God by the people of God. What he did was criminal and he should have to answer for it completely. Funny how some of the same folks that think what Michael Vick did wasnt that big a deal and that he shouldnt go to jail for it are the same people that are ready to throw Bishop Weeks under the bus... I can not compare Bishop Week to Michael Vick, and Juanita Bynum to a DOG..... No comparison I am not trying to throw Bishop Week under the bus... I think he need some help, and pray that this will be his turning point, so he will be all that God call him to be and fulfill his destiny. What I want to do is learn from this situation.... I will not pray for the marriage to be resolved, because I know I would not want to be in the present much less alone with the person who threaten to kill me. I pray that Juanita Bynum be completely healed, rise above this situation, forgive, learn from her mistakes and move on with her life and fulfill her destiny. It should cause us to take a deeper look at ourselves, so when we are faced with a situation, we will know how to respond. Most men are not taught or trained to be secured within themselves to the point that they are not intimidated and jealous of their wives' success. Please do not attack me on this... You don't know how you will react, till you are faced with that situation. I know we women have our problem and some of us can dog a man if he don't reach our expectation. AT |
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Post by keita on Aug 28, 2007 11:07:55 GMT -5
Im going to say this.. and just let it fall where it may... There is something to be said about a man leaving a hotel upset to go to his car, a strong personality woman following him with a cell phone in her hand with the purpose of using it as a weapon. While not knowing JB personally  , I will say that confrontational and emotionally unstable women do tend to make that type of mistake a lot in escalating conflicts with a violent man. Both personality types ("please, baby please don't leave me" and "oh NO he didn't!") find his (or anyone's) walking away unbearable. It rarely ends well.  I ain't mad at you at all for saying that. It's wisdom in general and especially for any couple where brawling is a part of their marital dynamic. Never heard about the cell phone hitting thing and regardless of a strong personality that really doesn't make a difference.... people react regardless of their personality.... The thought is... you hurt me, I'm gonna hurt you. So much is being added to this story, which leads me to believe it is being sensationalized for public consumption.... I don't know miss kay, I'm actually thinking more along the lines that truth is stranger than fiction. For example, incidents of their use of a cell phone as a weapon was among TW's warm and fuzzy reminisences while speaking at the first "Teach Me How To Love You" Conference. If I'm not mistaken it's in the book as well. It takes one (albeit, thank you Jesus, a former one) to know one and I'm telling ya, these two, like a lot of quiet as it's (trying to be) kept couples, are experienced brawlers. This time they just have an audience. But I agree with you that, and again like many couples, "hurt/hit me, I'll hurt/hit ya back" is a part of this and them. I see that in his sitting her down at their church and her putting him out of their house... in whichever order these actual events happened. GOD wastes nothing and I sincerely believe that this type, level and degree of exposure from HIM is always about so very much and many more than those through whom HE does it. Just ask King David and Bathsheba. I can not compare Bishop Week to Michael Vick, and Juanita Bynum to a DOG..... No comparison You're right...that comparison would be offensive and just a bit crazy and I don't think anyone was actually making it. But in this case, I must say I do see a possible comparison between how a man has treated his dog and how a dog has treated his wife like a dog. |
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Post by kanyon on Aug 28, 2007 11:26:06 GMT -5
'a broken and a contrite heart oh Lord, thou will not despise..."
In the case of Weeks/White, I submit that this is the part that is missing.
Oh how we squeal like hogs when we are dragged to the slaughter house.
Jesus gave us the perfect example when, "Like a lamb before hi shearer is dumb, so He opened not His mouth."
How hard we fight to retain 'our rights.'
100% submission to the Lord, and not sales and ratings is the way out for these two couples.
Justifying everything by saying, "But don't you know I'm anointed?" won't cut it anymore.
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 28, 2007 11:29:18 GMT -5
Posted by Beck on Today at 9:51
I think you combining two different incidents into one, there wasn't any cell phone.
Both of their cars were in the parking lot. Both was leaving out together. Both exchanged words. And He attacked her out of anger, by choking her. Even after she fell to the ground, why didn't he leave!.. He begin kicking and stomping her... You going to justify his behavior, as if it ok for a man to beat up on a woman when he get angry. We don't know exactly what happen, except, they both arise at the hotel to reconcile and had dinner together that last from Tuesday night and ended Wednesday morning..... They didn't seen to come into agreement. They left out together because both cars are parked in the parking lot. They both exchanged words and it got physical. Once she was down, why did he kick and stomp her, why did he threaten to KILL HER!... Why he didn't he just leave, while she was laying on the ground....
Face it... he is an abuser, he beaten his ex-wife, he attacked an female employee... He have a problem and need help, because he is dangerous... If it wasn't for the bellman, I believe he would have killed her, because he was just that angry.
I am not saying that Juanite Bynum is completely innocent... I don't know.... His behavior can not be justified
Please copy and paste the report with the cell phone involve.
AT
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Post by keita on Aug 28, 2007 11:35:58 GMT -5
Bishop accused in beating blames Satan for his woes
By S.A. REID
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/27/07
Global Destiny Ministries members on Sunday circled their spiritual wagons around their pastor, Bishop Thomas Weeks III, now charged with beating his estranged wife, the nationally known evangelist Juanita Bynum.
Elissa Eubanks/AJC
Members of Global Destiny Church in Duluth urged people to cautious about taking sides in the dispute between Bishop Thomas Weeks III and his wife, Juanita Bynum.
Most congregants approached for interviews after Sunday's 8 a.m. service declined to comment on the marital problems of Weeks, 40, and Bynum, 48.
Those who did urged caution in taking sides in the issue and passing judgment on two people they consider spiritual giants, but also human.
"There are three sides to every story," said Clarkston's Shannon Mayers, a frequent visitor. "Nobody has the right to judge anybody. God is in the midst of that and will work it out."
Member Maurice Adams, 26, of Atlanta said he was disappointed to hear the news but still considers Weeks his bishop.
"We all make mistakes. He deserves another opportunity," Adams said. "I'm hurt, but I do respect him for being man enough to show his face today."
Weeks took the pulpit two days after his surrender to authorities in connection with the alleged attack on Bynum. His remarks included appreciation for the prayers and support that he said have come in for him and his wife and thanks to those in attendance in spite of the controversy.
Weeks sparked thunderous applause and cheers when he asked members to tell those seated next to them: "We've got certain things going on right now, but I refuse to stop coming to the house God built."
Weeks, wearing a dark suit and his customary bow tie, blamed the devil for the accusation that has him facing two felony charges. He didn't, however, offer any specifics before introducing a guest minister who preached in his stead, then exiting the room.
The bishop is charged with aggravated assault for allegedly choking, kicking and hitting Bynum on Tuesday night in a parking lot at the Renaissance Concourse Hotel and with making terroristic threats to kill her. Both are felonies.
After turning himself in, he spent six hours in the Fulton County Jail before being released on $40,000 bond Friday.
The couple reportedly met at the Renaissance to talk about reconciliation after having been separated for several months.
Bynum, known for her fiery sermons that empower women, has been in seclusion since the attack and was not present at Sunday's 8 a.m. service.
Global Destiny is a ministry the couple co-founded and pastor. In addition to Duluth, other church locations are in Los Angeles, Washington and London.
The charges are only the latest of Weeks' troubles.
Authorities went to his Duluth home in June to serve an eviction notice.
Six months earlier, a former employee complained to police that Weeks got physical with her in escorting her from the church property.
Weeks is due in Fulton County Superior Court on Sept. 7.
FYI:
Those who wish to contribute to TW's legal defense should know that his "Raven Fund" information and request for contributions has now been removed from his website.
However, his many books and tapes are still available for purchase.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Aug 28, 2007 12:28:01 GMT -5
lol @ keita
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Post by Beck on Aug 28, 2007 12:45:33 GMT -5
Posted by Beck on Today at 9:51 I think you combining two different incidents into one, there wasn't any cell phone. Both of their cars were in the parking lot. Both was leaving out together. Both exchanged words. And He attacked her out of anger, by choking her. Even after she fell to the ground, why didn't he leave!.. He begin kicking and stomping her... You going to justify his behavior, as if it ok for a man to beat up on a woman when he get angry. We don't know exactly what happen, except, they both arise at the hotel to reconcile and had dinner together that last from Tuesday night and ended Wednesday morning..... They didn't seen to come into agreement. They left out together because both cars are parked in the parking lot. They both exchanged words and it got physical. Once she was down, why did he kick and stomp her, why did he threaten to KILL HER!... Why he didn't he just leave, while she was laying on the ground.... Face it... he is an abuser, he beaten his ex-wife, he attacked an female employee... He have a problem and need help, because he is dangerous... If it wasn't for the bellman, I believe he would have killed her, because he was just that angry. I am not saying that Juanite Bynum is completely innocent... I don't know.... His behavior can not be justified Please copy and paste the report with the cell phone involve. AT Seems like you have the story already worked out AT... Is he guilty and dirty for hitting his wife?? Heck yeah... Is he the only one wrong in this matter??? We dont know..It just seems that you are willing to throw him under the bus and just take sides... the bottom line SATAN is behind this.. and once again... the kingdom is being divided.. How about we take the advice given earlier and PRAY FOR THEM BOTH!!!! somethings we reap what we sow.. Hopefully they had enough of this harvest and is ready to undo what they have clearly made a mess of.. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 28, 2007 13:44:26 GMT -5
Posted by Beck on Today at 12:45
I don't see Bishop Week as being dirty,... quilty yeah, but not dirty. I see him as a angry, bitter man that is hurting inside. He has issues like we have issues, just that his is in the public eyes right now. I am praying for him to be healed and delivered and that he will be all that God called him to be and fulfill his destiny. I just don't think what he did should be justified, but dealt with so he can be free. I am praying that this incident will be the turning point in his life. I am praying that the true men of God in his life will minister to him and show him love and mercy as he walk through his deliverent. I am praying that the root of bitterness, angry and resignment are destroyed and that he be rooted grounded in the Love of God. May be he never really experience love, God's love.
That is my prayer
I pray that we can learn and take a good look at ourselves and recognize those things that are not God and be set free.
AT
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Post by livinganewlife on Aug 28, 2007 13:45:00 GMT -5
what harm is done in holding leaders accountable..People know the testimonies of our leaders based upon the books and videos that they themselves have sold to the general public.
no one is gossiping we (general) are just speaking and repeating the words that came out of their mouths….
And if Vick is held in such a high regard and is punishable by law for abusing a DOG why can’t weeks be punished for abusing his wife…..
If bynum and weeks need to be held and check and this BB is an avenue to hold them accountable than so be it…..yes pray but it is time for folks to be held responsible and liable for the things that spew out of their mouths…and of course no one is perfect, but once you recognize and know that as a man or woman of God that people are looking up to you and you call yourself a mentor (JBW has mentoring conference starting soon) then you got to do better that the rest of folks…. First of all you represent God and what he can do and not of your own….
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 28, 2007 13:48:08 GMT -5
Kay Dog Fighting is illegal in the UNITED States thats why its a federal case. This the reality. The man is guilty. He is a high profile individual involved in an illegal activity, which also has a LOT of money flowing back and forth through it. Vock was smart to plead guilty before he got slapped with racketeering charges. His face is out there because he is famous. Just like his face is out there because of his althletic ability.
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Post by MsKayLander on Aug 28, 2007 14:07:40 GMT -5
Kay Dog Fighting is illegal in the UNITED States thats why its a federal case. This the reality. The man is guilty. He is a high profile individual involved in an illegal activity, which also has a LOT of money flowing back and forth through it. Vock was smart to plead guilty before he got slapped with racketeering charges. His face is out there because he is famous. Just like his face is out there because of his althletic ability. Okay.... I thought it was only illegal in certain states hence my comment... my apologies.... |
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Post by Jasmine on Aug 28, 2007 14:14:44 GMT -5
what harm is done in holding leaders accountable..People know the testimonies of our leaders based upon the books and videos that they themselves have sold to the general public. no one is gossiping we (general) are just speaking and repeating the words that came out of their mouths…. And if Vick is held in such a high regard and is punishable by law for abusing a DOG why can’t weeks be punished for abusing his wife….. If bynum and weeks need to be held and check and this BB is an avenue to hold them accountable than so be it…..yes pray but it is time for folks to be held responsible and liable for the things that spew out of their mouths…and of course no one is perfect, but once you recognize and know that as a man or woman of God that people are looking up to you and you call yourself a mentor (JBW has mentoring conference starting soon) then you got to do better that the rest of folks…. First of all you represent God and what he can do and not of your own…. ... there is nothing wrong with holding leaders accountable. I think what we miss alot of times is...we want to hold people to standards that we try to "excuse" our self from. (now this is not directed towards you, just using your post.) Yes, lets hold leaders accountable, but lets also remember that we are accountable for our mouths, and the things we spew and say as well. We place so much emphasis on what leaders should and should not be doing, but what about ourselves. People watch us too. We have just as much influence as leaders do. We may not hold conference across the globe, or have a segment on television, but people watch us everyday. My view of us saved folks, is...we want mercy, but don't want to give it. Lets be accountable to each other, let those of us who are spiritual restore a loss or fallen soul with meekness. Because we are not so high that we ourselves can't encounter a problem as such. |
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Post by keita on Aug 28, 2007 14:36:38 GMT -5
What I want to do is learn from this situation....
...It should cause us to take a deeper look at ourselves... what harm is done in holding leaders accountable..People know the testimonies of our leaders based upon the books and videos that they themselves have sold to the general public.
no one is gossiping we (general) are just speaking and repeating the words that came out of their mouths….
And if Vick is held in such a high regard and is punishable by law for abusing a DOG why can’t weeks be punished for abusing his wife…..
If bynum and weeks need to be held and check and this BB is an avenue to hold them accountable than so be it…..yes pray but it is time for folks to be held responsible and liable for the things that spew out of their mouths…and of course no one is perfect, but once you recognize and know that as a man or woman of God that people are looking up to you and you call yourself a mentor (JBW has mentoring conference starting soon) then you got to do better that the rest of folks…. First of all you represent God and what he can do and not of your own….... there is nothing wrong with holding leaders accountable. I think what we miss alot of times is...we want to hold people to standards that we try to "excuse" our self from. (now this is not directed towards you, just using your post.)
Yes, lets hold leaders accountable, but lets also remember that we are accountable for our mouths, and the things we spew and say as well. We place so much emphasis on what leaders should and should not be doing, but what about ourselves. People watch us too.
We have just as much influence as leaders do. We may not hold conference across the globe, or have a segment on television, but people watch us everyday.
My view of us saved folks, is...we want mercy, but don't want to give it.
Lets be accountable to each other, let those of us who are spiritual restore a loss or fallen soul with meekness. Because we are not so high that we ourselves can't encounter a problem as such. AMEN, to you all. The points you are making are among the many and are the very type of things I'm referring to when I said: |
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Post by keita on Aug 28, 2007 15:16:10 GMT -5
Question: Has anyone come across public responses to this from any of our equally prominent black male church leadership?
Seriously, I'm wondering if maybe I'm just, and if I'm the only one who is, missing that particular voice as all of this unfolds.
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 28, 2007 15:32:24 GMT -5
No one is beating anyone down. I am resolved to do less talking and more praying. While we might be privy to information we are also responsible for how, when and where we share that information. I am aware of certain things transpiring in certain ministries and some of it is a matter of public record, yet I am very careful about the when, how and to whom that information is revealed. What I am simply saying is that we need to continue to be wise as a serpent and yet gentle as a dove regarding this entire situation. What I am concerned about is the demonization of a man of God by the people of God. What he did was criminal and he should have to answer for it completely. Funny how some of the same folks that think what Michael Vick did wasnt that big a deal and that he shouldnt go to jail for it are the same people that are ready to throw Bishop Weeks under the bus... I can not compare Bishop Week to Michael Vick, and Juanita Bynum to a DOG..... No comparison The issue is not comparing Juanita Bynum to a dog. The issue is how many people are not viewing both situations in the correct perspective. We are willing to understand and exonerate Michael Vick, yet want Weeks drawn and quartered ( so to speak ) No one said you were. I am praying that the will of God be done and healing for both parties and maturity and growth for both parties. Agreed No one is ATTACKING anyone. There is a huge difference between a comment and an attack. As far as the point about men not being trained or taught to deal with a womans success, we could also say that women havent taught a lot of things either. I can say a lot of women have no idea whatsoever how to love and supprt a man, much less a man of God, But again we should not allow ourselves to degrade into a men vs woman thing because we BOTH need Jesus. |
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, I will say that confrontational and emotionally unstable women do tend to make that type of mistake a lot in escalating conflicts with a violent man. Both personality types ("please, baby please don't leave me" and "oh NO he didn't!") find his (or anyone's) walking away unbearable. 
