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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 6, 2008 7:04:54 GMT -5
I will say this.. as someone that is somewhat knowledgeable in the area of spiritual warfare (and there is a LOT more to learn) I have never seen a spirit called Leviathan.. I have never heard the Holy Spirit make reference to a spirit called Leviathan, and I have never seen a sripture that calls a spirit Leviathan... So I cannot agree with this authors premise. A lot of what is being described is easy falls under the fruit category of spirits that are already detailed by the Word of God DIRECTLY. The scripture makes some extremely CLEAR references to unclean spirits... and we dont even know THOSE that are already detailed in the Word... I believe what people are doing is naming spirits like Jezebal and Deliliah.. however these are not the names of the spirits.. These are the MANIFESTATIONS of the spirit.. The spirit is called by the Word of God.. a seducing spirit aka a spirit of seduction... The problem is a lot f folks run around binding manifestations and fruit and NOT the spirit.... which just gives it liscence to operate through another manifestation. amen, amen and amen! I have always said that many call manifestations - spirits. They also call works of the flesh spirits. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 6, 2008 7:08:09 GMT -5
The spirit of the python is found in the book of Acts 16.. I just took a walk and while walking I took my Word..and after reading that scripture reference of the spirit of divination in was referred to as the of divination or "of Python"
in center column.. Actually, in Acts 16, the "spirit of divination" is, in fact, literally translated "spirit of python" in the original Greek.  Gotta really watch those translations.... especially King James.... when speaking on what "the Bible (actually) says".  Pardon the interruption and please carry on!  That is also true, sis keita (by the way send me a PM and talk to me!). I use the king james simply for the poetry in its language, to me that is all it is good for. However, my study actually comes from the NASB & NKJV. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Mar 6, 2008 11:20:56 GMT -5
From Blue Letter Bible...
The word in Greek is Python..
in Greek mythology was the name of the Pythian serpent or dragon, dwelling in Pytho, at the foot of mount Parnassus, guarding the oracle of Delphi, and slain by Apollo. Thence the name was transferred to Apollo himself.
Later the word was applied to diviners or soothsayers, regarded as inspired by Apollo. Since demons are the agents inspiring idolatry, 1Cr 10:20, the young woman in Act 16:16 was possessed by a demon instigating the cult of Apollo, and thus had "a spirit of divination "
I can see how stillfocused got the reference from her bible.The word means the same thing IMO... In the Greek and in English they both refer to divination... Bro Giants, thanks for both verifying my and sis sf's facts, and for, despite your expertise, so graciously receving correction of your previous mistaken position that the "spirit of divination" and the "spirit of python" were not the same. However I still do not agree with the author of the letter AT posted...
And I still stand pat with the fact the Bible does not name
" spirit of Leviathan " but CLEARLY indentifies other spirits... Now, as for that portion of the discussion I'm gladly following your example and humbly going from teacher to student.  Further research has also shown me that the greek word "python" is also translated as "soothsaying" which I found interesting as well. Personally I like the King James, in my understanding it is a very accurate bible. Of course certain words do not translate as well from the original language of Greek and certain English words today have slightly different meanings but all in all its a very solid translation. I use the KJV, The Amplified and my Thomsons Chain Reference. I have a NKJV which I rarely use and Living Bible for when I am really stupid and cant understand it... |
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Post by giantsdodie on Mar 6, 2008 11:37:05 GMT -5
And let me be clear.. It is obvious from the scripture that the scripture references satan as a serpent as the dragon and its apparent that the scripture could also be describing satan as the creature called leviathan and on those grounds I can agree because satan is most certainly a spirit.
However the premise that the author is presenting doesnt line up for me because what I see in their discourse is that they have already identified the spirit...
The spirit of the anti-christ..
I believe we have gotten to caught up in the naming of spirits... Jezebel, Deliliah, Leviathan and whatever other name we come up with..
What the author is describing is already revealed in the word of God...
The spirit of anti-christ, the spirit of seduction, and the spiriit of error or lying spirit...
The author while compiling a lot of scripture also has interjected a lot of...
I THINK.. I BELIEVE...
I cannot do warfare based on what YOU think or believe... sorry...
These are already clearly named and indentified in scripture...
And where does the scripture say that we cannot confront a principality? I must have missed that class...
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 6, 2008 11:44:40 GMT -5
I had to laugh..because it was the KJV. My NIV was in my car..yet, my NKJV did give almost the same explanation that GDD posted..
I always say if you don't have a good study bible...please get one..
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 6, 2008 12:32:00 GMT -5
GDD wrote:
Can you expound on that remark further / I have watched and listened to people binding up satan or the spirit of whatever the manisfestation is. I know that you can do more damage if you are not skilled in or know what spirits you're dealing with. My other question to you is: can doing improper spiritual warfare in prayer, intercession, and binding and loosing while operating in improper authority cause havoc in home and church relationships ?
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Post by Beulah5 on Mar 6, 2008 12:58:04 GMT -5
Hmmm
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 6, 2008 13:03:44 GMT -5
You know, it's funny you said that...lol. Throughout this thread, I was hoping you would add something because when it comes to this type of stuff, I learn a lot from you. I know that many times if we have not experienced something then we will say that it isn't so. So please Bee, can you enlighten me? |
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Post by giantsdodie on Mar 6, 2008 13:42:47 GMT -5
GDD wrote:Can you expound on that remark further / I have watched and listened to people binding up satan or the spirit of whatever the manisfestation is. I know that you can do more damage if you are not skilled in or know what spirits you're dealing with. My other question to you is: can doing improper spiritual warfare in prayer, intercession, and binding and loosing while operating in improper authority cause havoc in home and church relationships ? Ok First we have to distunguish whether you are dealing with a demonic entity or not. Sometimes we running around binding demons when its really a persons flesh or attitude... Now a persons flesh or attitude can open the door for demonic activity in their lives... You can be under the influence of a demon, under demonic oppression or the last and worst state demonic possession.. Fruit is what is produced from the works of a particular demonic force or entity. A lot of times we say stuff like this... Lets say a person in under the influence of a spirit of haughtiness which leads them to have an amount of pride... We say stuff like.. I bind up Pride in the name of Jesus... Ok you have bound the fruit and the manifesation OF that spirit... but you have NOT bound the spirit... so that spirit might not be able to operate through pride anymore.. but it can still operate... they might operate through arrogance. They might operate in aloofness... they might become scornful... all these are manifestations of haughtiness BUT they are not pride... So sure you bound up the fruit and the manifestation.. but the spirit can simply switch tactics. Yes you can operate in spiritual warfare improperly by not having a specific knowledge of the adversary you are facing and the spiritual weapons needed to defeat that enemy... You can also prolong a warfare campaign... |
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 6, 2008 14:00:05 GMT -5
Okay..so the lack of true understanding in the area of spiritual warfare opens doors for other manifestations ? Thanks..
I know this may crazy but, I was told that there was an incident when someone stood in front of the entrance to a church to block a spirit from coming in..would this be considered improper knowledge of spiritual warfare and if there are what kind of repercussions or attacks can come from it this kind of action ?
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Post by giantsdodie on Mar 6, 2008 14:27:49 GMT -5
Okay..so the lack of true understanding in the area of spiritual warfare opens doors for other manifestations ? Thanks.. I know this may crazy but, I was told that there was an incident when someone stood in front of the entrance to a church to block a spirit from coming in..would this be considered improper knowledge of spiritual warfare and if there are what kind of repercussions or attacks can come from it this kind of action ? I wouldnt say that the lack of understanding opens the door for other manifestations. Thats not always that case. What I will say is that the lack of understanding can limit the effectiveness of the warfare you and engaged in.. I cant comment on what that person did because I dont know what instructions they received from the Holy Spirit regarding that particular warfare... |
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Post by Beulah5 on Mar 6, 2008 14:30:39 GMT -5
I find this verse interesting in view of this discussion.
Ezekiel 29:1 –3: “In the tenth year, in the tenth month, in the twelfth day of the month, the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Pharaoh king of Egypt and prophesy against him and against all Egypt. Speak and say, Thus saith the Lord God,
Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers which hath said, My river is mine own and I have made it for myself.”
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Post by Beulah5 on Mar 6, 2008 14:54:14 GMT -5
It is not about what we think but I also think it is imperative to look at the bible's description of Leviathan and find out whether what is described could naturally be a beast or a demon spirit.
The thing about spiritual warfare is there is only one commander and His name is Jesus. We all know there are demons and accept that however their assignment differs from geographical location to families.
The Bible certainly does not list them al but we need to have an ear to hear. A few weeks ago i was with some might apostles and prophets of God and we were coming back from a school of ministry.
One of them mentioned that we shd go and pray for a lady who was sick. We did not know what the problem was but we went. When we entered the house and i saw the lady i saw a light blue octopus with tentacles half of which were coiled around her heart and her chest.
As she opened her mouth to speak it was clear that it was a chest problem-she then explained to us that the last 3 months she had been off work with this problem, had had untold scans-doctors could not find out the cause and it was not lung cancer or emphysema.
As she spoke the lord told me that there was an issue of unforgiveness between her and her brother and that a water spirit had attached itself to that root of bitterness and was now choking the life out of her.
This was confirmed by the Holy Spirit through 2 of the leaders there. She then confirmed that a few years ago 2 prophets actually told her that she was being pursued by a water spirit- and that there was a family issue. We prayed for her , she repented and we went home to eat our dinner.
To Jesus be the glory. Now my point is this: spiritual warfare can be such a maze since everything differs from individuals, generational spirits, issues in folks lives, their past or the spirit in the area that we basically need to have an ear to hear the lord in every situation.
Asking each other can be a waste of time since there is no 2.4 manual and i believe that one of the reasons the lord made it that way so that we will be led by the Spirit and rely totally on Him.
If He tells you that u need to cast out a sugar spirit from ur life u betta listen and obey Him instead of debating with folks which is exactly why i sometimes think discussions on particular spirits can lead nowhere.
The ancestral gods and issues of my city are not that of ur city and so forth however we all agree that there is a devil and he is very bad.
We also know that we have all authority in heaven however i also agree that we are not to start dealing with principalities presumptuously for various reasons not because we are afraid of them but because i believe that we need to be led by the Lord simply because we are more effective that way. Also if the reasons why they are there in the first place have not been dealt with through repentance then we are wasting our time.
God will tell u exactly how to deal with them and it saves hours and hours of general prayers.
Having said that i have found as i grow in the lord that the quickest spiritual warfare is personal holiness. No one can live in a blazing inferno-as in the natural so in the spirit. If the word of God and His power are blazing in ur house where on earth is the devil going to be able to find landing ground?
It was never the Lord's intent that we be as half obsessed with demons as we are. Come lay ur head on the bossom of Jesus untill u are swallowed up in the intimacy of ur heart and tell me which demon is going to follow u there?
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 6, 2008 15:09:45 GMT -5
and let the Church say Amen!
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 6, 2008 15:12:14 GMT -5
It was never the Lord's intent that we be as half obsessed with demons as we are. Come lay ur head on the bossom of Jesus untill u are swallowed up in the intimacy of ur heart and tell me which demon is going to follow u there? Amen Beulah. I don't think they'd follow, however the warfare would indeed intensify. |
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