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Post by kitty on May 29, 2008 13:24:01 GMT -5
hello guys,
It's election time again... and as usual I find that many of us Christians seem to be lead to cast a vote based on two issues... Abortion and Homosexuality...
But I'm wondering something now... We have been voting that way for years yet there doesn't seem to be any real change or progress made in either situation... In fact I have noticed something... And i'm wondering if anyone else has picked up on it as well...
Does anyone else seem to be noticing that inspite of their claims to be AGAINST homosexuality... That group appears to make the largest gains under Republican governement?!!!
Just this week in California there is a claim that they are going to "offically" make gay marriages legal again and will start them up again this week!
Am i the only one that smells a rat here? Doesn't California have a republican governor? What's the deal?
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This this another way for the Republican party to again ruffle the feathers of the Christian voters by saying yet again... "Look what those bad gays are up too... Better put us in office again!"
Not to mention this people... Why is it that we want to ignore the other issues that would be clearly supported int the bible as causes that God would be concerned with but only focus on these 2 which deal more with moral issues that really can't be changed...
Why aren't we dealing with the poor and underclass... Did Jesus not love them too? What about these record gas prices? What about the fact that our national debt is so high that we are literally in "MAJOR DEBT" to Muslim countries?
We want to claim that we want to examine if Obama was really muslim but don't realize that they currently hold the keys to our country that was handed to them by Bush?
In order to really see what God would have be do i decided to do a search on what the bible is saying about these issues...
I'm going to come back and post scriptures on this daily...
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on May 29, 2008 13:57:46 GMT -5
We have to be led by the Holy Spirit, not by two issues
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 29, 2008 14:44:15 GMT -5
We have to be led by the Holy Spirit, not by two issues Indeed, for I don't vote based on these two issues alone but they can and have been and will be deal breakers for me. |
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Post by Jasmine on May 29, 2008 14:48:31 GMT -5
Im voting for Obama
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 29, 2008 16:38:24 GMT -5
  I'm just joking Jasmine becasue I know I can joke with you like that. At this time, I don't know who I am voting for - if I vote at all. Usually what I do is look @ both and see what they stand for in all areas, and then pray. And yes, I haven't made it any secret, that if I see that one supports abortion, gay marriage etc. I would find it very difficult to cast a vote for this individual. However, if one happens to be in office that does support this and other things that I am against (not just homosexuality and abortion) then I continue to watch and pray. I know some of it will be a fulfillment of prophecy.
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Post by stillfocused on May 29, 2008 16:44:49 GMT -5
Ya'll I a tempted to do a write in ballot; because whether it's noticed or not both parties support the gay agenda. And just like in 2004 I will not be suckered into for anyone who says that they are a Christian..anybody remember what happened in 2004 ?
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 29, 2008 16:58:12 GMT -5
Ya'll I a tempted to do a write in ballot; because whether it's noticed or not both parties support the gay agenda. And just like in 2004 I will not be suckered into for anyone who says that they are a Christian..anybody remember what happened in 2004 ? Yeah, I wouldn't vote for anyone just because the say they are a Christian. That is why I view the websites and follow the debates and pray. I also don't go by what happened in the past to determine what someone will do in the future. Right now it seems that it will be McCain and Obama so I will begin studying both of them and what they have to say. As it stands right now, I am not voting. However, that is just "Monica" who is saying that - I haven't prayed enough to determine if that is the way it will be in November. |
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Post by Jasmine on May 29, 2008 17:39:28 GMT -5
I'm just joking Jasmine because I know I can joke with you like that. At this time, I don't know who I am voting for - if I vote at all. Usually what I do is look @ both and see what they stand for in all areas, and then pray. And yes, I haven't made it any secret, that if I see that one supports abortion, gay marriage etc. I would find it very difficult to cast a vote for this individual. However, if one happens to be in office that does support this and other things that I am against (not just homosexuality and abortion) then I continue to watch and pray. I know some of it will be a fulfillment of prophecy. I know we can joke like that..which is one of the reasons why I said I was voting for obama..  however, It is a highly probable that he gets my vote. |
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Post by anointedteacher on May 29, 2008 21:08:01 GMT -5
I am led toward Obama.... Not another 4 years of Bush administration.... Time for a Change ;D
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Post by kitty on May 29, 2008 22:44:37 GMT -5
Ps 82:3 Defend the causes of the weak, the fatherless, maintain the rights of the poor and the oppressed...
De15:7 If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hard hearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother.
De15:11 There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be open handed towards your brothers and towards the poor and the needy in your land..
De 24: Pay him his wages each day before sunset, because he is poor and counting on it. Other wise he may cry to the Lord against you and you will be guilt of sin.
Guys... these are few a few of the scriptures that I have found in the bible that i am taking into consideration of my vote... That I think God takes into consideration as well as for things that are important to HIM.
There are well over a hundred scriptures... So for me I can't look at one party and say they are following God more than another when they cut money for education... make a point of dealing harshly with those on wealfare and single partents...
I also am concerned about supporting a party that supports the actions of big business such as Enron and plenty of the airline companies that pay their top ex's millions of dollars then claim they aren't making profits... and claim to be bankrupt so they don't have to pay pensions... Thus straining a already weak social security system...
They the same party claims that people should be more "responsible" for their retirment! But doesn't deal with the fact that basically those people were robbed by the same companies they worked for over 20 years!
Will post more each day
Kitty
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Post by kitty on May 29, 2008 22:46:21 GMT -5
also for those who feel that the republican party is the only way to go when it comes to moral issues such as gay rights...
I have a challenge for you... Please explain why Gays always seem to make the most gains when these same people are in office?
How is this supporting God?
Kitty
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 30, 2008 5:04:45 GMT -5
also for those who feel that the republican party is the only way to go when it comes to moral issues such as gay rights... I don't know if anyone stated that the republican party is the only way to go as it concerns moral issues....I don't know because I don't remember all of the posts here on the subject. I do know that many times some people vote republican because they are republican and because of that they feel there is no other way to go. Same with Democrats, they are a Democrat and feel they are the only way to go - the issue(s) really doesn't matter to them because their vote is already cast in their mind before voting time. Don't know. They make gaines when both Democrats and Republicans are in office because they are pushing their agenda regardless of who is in office. However, some people make it a bit easier for them by saying and signing bills that stated that it is okay for the same sex to marry etc. How is what supporting God? I am not really understanding which part you are asking this on - voting republican or the fact that gay people make gains when a republican is in office? Either way, we support God by allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us in our voting. It is supporting God when we take a stand on all the issues that the bible is against. It is supporting God when we are personally faced with the issue, we do what is right according to the Word of God regardless of what the circumstances are. Well, at least that is how it works for me. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 30, 2008 5:09:11 GMT -5
Ps 82:3 Defend the causes of the weak, the fatherless, maintain the rights of the poor and the oppressed... De15:7 If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hard hearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. De15:11 There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be open handed towards your brothers and towards the poor and the needy in your land.. De 24: Pay him his wages each day before sunset, because he is poor and counting on it. Other wise he may cry to the Lord against you and you will be guilt of sin. Kitty Excellent scriptures sis! For some reason they really stood out to me this morning! I take every issue into consideration when votiing, but I also make sure that on a personal level I do what is personally required of me according to the scripture. There are some of us that are in ministries which support the poor, uneducated, the teen that is pregnant, the one struggling with abortion, those that are struggling financially, helping the elderly etc. This is what makes me sensitive to all of these issues when voting because it is something that I live on a daily basis and not something that I think of only during voting season. |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on May 30, 2008 6:09:55 GMT -5
Disclaimer (smile-nikkol) Let me just say, as a believer, I know that same sex marriages/unions and abortion are both wrong. They are both sins, one even being an abomination towards God. I stand by the God's word on both subjects and have and will explain, exhort, and education those who don't with the truth of the word of God and with love.Now, having said that, I have a question: Why is politics the ONLY time we (general) decide to take a stand on these issues? Do we (general) select schools/colleges, accept jobs, live in neighborhoods, make major purchases, choose vacation spots, selection of movies and tv shows, listening to music etc... based on whether folks believe or don't believe in homosexuality and/or abortion?  So, why is it different when it comes to politics? What would we (general) do if ALL parties were in favor of abortion and same sex marriages/unions? Not vote? Is it a SIN for me to vote Democratic if I'm a believer? Is it OKAY? Or, is it covered under the "all things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient" clause? I'd love to have a frank discussion about this, starting with answers to these questions. They have perplexed me for quite some time.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 30, 2008 6:29:29 GMT -5
Disclaimer (smile-nikkol) Let me just say, as a believer, I know that same sex marriages/unions and abortion are both wrong. They are both sins, one even being an abomination towards God. I stand by the God's word on both subjects and have and will explain, exhort, and education those who don't with the truth of the word of God and with love.Now, having said that, I have a question: Why is politics the ONLY time we (general) decide to take a stand on these issues? You ask interesting questions sis. Allow me to make an attempt at answering them. I don't believe that it is the only time we take a stance on these issues. I know for me, it is an issue that I fight daily. I minister on these issues, I am called to take a stand on these issues. I know that I am not the only one in this world that is doing this, therefore during election time I continue the fight - not just start it. Also, the issues come up during election time because the candidates often speak on them or will have something on their website pertaining to these issues. I have a problem with people who only take a stand on any issue during election season yet their passion falls short during the other seasons. At the same time, although these issues are what I am called to: I also support and am a part of those that minister to the poor, elderly, homeless, uneducated etc. Actually sis, for me I do. If I know about it, and I know that my actions and/or purchase will further promote the gay agenda and/or abortion, then I will take a stand. For when I stand before the Lord I am making an account for what I have done. For me, I will continue to pray to determine if the Holy Spirit was leading me in a particular direction or not vote at all. I know some people would not agree but it is what I have done in the past and what I am considering for this election. I know that prophecy must come to past and I also know that the "powers that be" are ordainded by God. He knows who will be in office and what will happen. So, I pray and continue to ask for His wisdom. However, that doesn't change the stand that I take everyday. At times.  No, I don't believe it is a sin to vote Democrat yet there are some who will judge you based on that. I don't. I believe that voting is truly a personal issue. I cannot judge you based on who you feel should be in office. Hmmmm. Good question. Gotta ponder that one for a while. So would I sis! |
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