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Post by kitty on Jul 7, 2008 13:21:09 GMT -5
Hey Nikkol,
I am still most defintely looking forward to getting your marriage testimony!LOL
Looks like I'm holding your picture as randsom! LOL
Just kidding! But seriously... one day soon I will drop by to give it back to you... hopefully you can have your testimony for me by that time... I got one for Julia Ford and a picture as well... It's very lovely...
An guys... can't wait for you all to see the pictures of the couples!
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 8, 2008 8:46:52 GMT -5
I don't vote party, I vote according to the leading of the Holy Spirit....that's why I am an independence and really don't want to belong to any party. It is not based only on two issues... There are many issues in Country we should consider and put them on a scale and wieght them out, you will find that abortion and gay marriage do not out weight all the other issues. Yes, we should be concern, we also should be concern about the poor, elderly, homeless, fatherless, education, inflation, GAS and WAR!!! and many more. Under Bush's Administration, there have been an incease in abortion and gay aganda, nothing I see have been elimanted and the economy got worst. We do not need a continuation of Busheconomic and war. McCian past heartless character and his present temper and past and present treatment of women doesn't add up... He divorce his first wife, because she was nolonger beautiful and slim.... she was crippled in a car accident, gain a little weight and was 4 inches shorter. She waited faithfully for his return... He commited adultery way before he met Cindy(an extremely wealthy young woman, she was in her 20s and he was in his 40's) .... than continued in his adultry affair with Cindy for six months before he divorced Carol McCain and marry Cindy ONE Month later.... OH They didn't talk much about this in the media... He is known to physically attack ppl and even called Cindy a c_ nt... If Michelle is Barack's baby mama (according to Fox News  ..... I guess you can call Cindy, John sugar mama ;D |
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Post by Nikkol on Jul 8, 2008 15:15:53 GMT -5
I think that it's important that in order to understand how policies are made/laws are created, we really need to check to see what occurs. Honestly, the president has very little power (although it may seem like he has a lot of power). Anything that he decides can be vetoed. It's just that it's the president that gets to take the applause in good times...or the ridicules in bad times.
Additionally, I don't think that we can blame a particular party on anything as though it's their fault:
Regarding education, some of the reasons why the schools in the more urban areas are suffering is partly due to the fact that we have a lot of churches, hospitals, universities and a lot of other non-profit organizations that don't have to pay real estate taxes. Philadelphia alone has at least 4 hospitals, 3 universities, numerous churches.....the list goes on and on. And the taxes that those that live in the city pay are pennies compared to what other people pay. Therefore, those in other areas are paying a LOT of money in taxes which in turn goes to the schools. I wouldn't be surprised to see if most of the money is going to those particular schools and the schools in the "rural" areas aren't getting as much in comparison.
I think that that was a very "boxed" statement (ie you haev the burden of proof on this one :-D ) and I really doubt that it's only one particular party that favor's certain companies. But rather that it has nothing to do with "politicalness" but rather with a person's character whether dem or rep.
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 8, 2008 15:58:48 GMT -5
I think that it's important that in order to understand how policies are made/laws are created, we really need to check to see what occurs. Honestly, the president has very little power (although it may seem like he has a lot of power). Anything that he decides can be vetoed. It's just that it's the president that gets to take the applause in good times...or the ridicules in bad times. Additionally, I don't think that we can blame a particular party on anything as though it's their fault: Regarding education, some of the reasons why the schools in the more urban areas are suffering is partly due to the fact that we have a lot of churches, hospitals, universities and a lot of other non-profit organizations that don't have to pay real estate taxes. Philadelphia alone has at least 4 hospitals, 3 universities, numerous churches.....the list goes on and on. And the taxes that those that live in the city pay are pennies compared to what other people pay. Therefore, those in other areas are paying a LOT of money in taxes which in turn goes to the schools. I wouldn't be surprised to see if most of the money is going to those particular schools and the schools in the "rural" areas aren't getting as much in comparison. Miami Have 3 or 4 Universities, several Colleges, hospitals... Property taxes is high everywhere.... They promised to use the money from the lottery toward education, and have not seen the money in the black area yet. Now they cut hundred of teachers and school staff jobs..... They raised our sale tax twice, and we were promise that it will creates more jobs, seniors and handicapped on ssi/ssa can ride free.... Yes they did kept their promise, now they want to cut back.... What are these ppl going to be without their jobs? I know the president have limited power, but most of Bush's Plan went through without a big fight.... and when there were a fight, he won  Bush's Administration is what got us into this mess... His whole focus is on spend more money on war and neglecting everything esle.... He did very little to fight against abortion... yes, he veto a few bills, but no fight and the same with gay agenda. He did nothing for the poor, and elderly... So explain what he did and what you think McCain will do... Increasing tax for the upper class, $250,000.00/year & up and cutting tax for the middle and lowers class is good.... Obama will increase his own tax. This is looking out for the poor.... universal health care is looking out for poor working class... ppl who can't afford health insurance. Bring a end to a wasteful war and cut some of the spending is also a good thing. Money can be use for other things, like education. Increasing funds to faith based community to do outreach in the community... He said the church can do far more for the community than government. I know Bush started this program, but it got weaken because all he see is war. Obama is focus more on ppl.... And as Kim Clement prophesied, he will have a change in heart toward the Two Issues. True ... we can't blame the party... because Pres. Nixion, did a lot for the poor... 4 Obama 08  |
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Post by kitty on Jul 8, 2008 16:42:05 GMT -5
Hey Nikkol,
There are some specific cases in which the republican party has been directly helpful in letting some guilty parties off the hook. I will be more specific in providing those cases... For example the incident years back where one guy was found guilty of stealing from social security... And Bush senior pardoned the guy on his way out of office. I don't recall the guys name... But if anyone recalls this incident then post it for me... Other wise I will go and look up the details...
But in other general terms of policies that republicans have that tend to go against the poor... Let just look at the whole idea of a living wage. We all know that the cost of living has gone sky high! But everytime there is a push to raise minimum wage why is it that the republicans are always against it?
Then to make matters worse let's take a look and that deal they were trying to push last year about the illegal alien workers... They wanted to make it legal for those people to work here in the U.S. even though they broke the law in getting here. They also just wanted to keep them at worker status without making them U.S. citizens... Now why that move? Who does that benefit? Who does it hurt?
Well let's just take a good look that what that law would have done it it had passed.
It technically would have made it legal for all of the hotels, resturants, farms, and other factory type of big business to hire people who got her illegally and then not HAVE TO PAY THEM MINIUM WAGE... Because they aren't U.S. citizens!
Thus... not having to hire poor U.S. citizens who at least want to work for mininum wage!
Sooooo.... technically if this law would have passed... then we would have had a great mess on our hands... The poor would have gotten increasingly poorer... the rich would have gotten increasingly richer and now not have to pay any penalities for breaking the law by hiring these people in the first place...
Then we would have created an permament slave wage state for two classes of people.
Those who are U.S. citizens would be forced to work for less than minium wage because it would be legal to hire the aliens for less... The Aliens would be stuck at always making slave wages because althought they wouldn't have to face being deported... They would only have a workers status but never be a U.S. citizen so that they could demand at least mininum wage...
But lastly... who would that policy have benefitted? Only the rich business owners...
Kitty
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Post by kitty on Jul 8, 2008 17:11:43 GMT -5
Ok Guys...
Like I said... My goal is to look at what the bible is stating about the poor.... How they are to be treated... Is the Republican party living up to this if they want to also be considered the ideal party for Christians to vote for? Not the democratics are either... But at least we don't have anyone making that claim... Yet... as I said beofre I am more at peace with their social programs and the help and treatment for the poor...
But here are some more scriptures...
Psalm 82:3 Defend the cause of the weak and the fatherless, maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.
Pr 19:17 He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done.
Pr 21:13 If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor. he too will cry out and not be answered.
Pr 22:9 A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor.
Pr 28:27 He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses...
I can't close my eyes to situations and policy markers that make us poor....
Kitty
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 9, 2008 10:46:12 GMT -5
Social Inequality existed long before bush and will continue to exist regardless of who's in office.
The system that claims equality for all, operates in innequality. They rich still gets richer, and the poor, poorer.
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Post by Nikkol on Jul 10, 2008 15:47:46 GMT -5
Here's a list of all the presidents that granted pardons: George Washington, Polk, Buchanan, Andrew Johnson. Clevland, Harding, Coolidge, Franklin Roosevelt,
Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy,
Johnson,
Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush. the ones in bold are Democrats. Congress on 1/24/07 put forth a vote : To afford States the rights and flexibility to determine minimum wage. Which most of the republicans gave their "yea" towards. As a matter of fact, not one Democrat voted "Yea" on this. This information is documented HERE Fortunately, or unfortunately, the news doesn't want to report everything. In lookingat the different votes, it appears that the Senate believed that this should be handled at the state level rather than the federal level.....which actually makes sense. I really wish I could find a particular article that was indicating the people weren't willing to take many of the lower paying jobs....therefor, these jobs were "given to others". The issue is much greater than what is typically reported. What you have is many people who are in the US legally and illegally. What is more cost effective? I believe that part of the reason for this is that the amount of time/effort/man-power which would be needed to get all illegal immigrants out of the country would supercede letting them stay. Additionally, the new issue would be the fact that many had children who would be considered citizens. Would you separate all of the families based on if they were true citizens or not? I will admit that those that are working these jobs are tending to be the fastest growing population and tend to live all together. They were willing to do jobs that most of use weren't/aren't...even now..... |
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 10, 2008 16:07:17 GMT -5
There are some specific cases in which the republican party has been directly helpful in letting some guilty parties off the hook. I will be more specific in providing those cases... For example the incident years back where one guy was found guilty of stealing from social security... And Bush senior pardoned the guy on his way out of office. I don't recall the guys name... But if anyone recalls this incident then post it for me... Other wise I will go and look up the details... Here's a list of all the presidents that granted pardons: George Washington, Polk, Buchanan, Andrew Johnson. Clevland, Harding, Coolidge, Franklin Roosevelt,
Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy,
Johnson,
Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush. the ones in bold are Democrats. But in other general terms of policies that republicans have that tend to go against the poor... Let just look at the whole idea of a living wage. We all know that the cost of living has gone sky high! But everytime there is a push to raise minimum wage why is it that the republicans are always against it? Congress on 1/24/07 put forth a vote : To afford States the rights and flexibility to determine minimum wage. Which most of the republicans gave their "yea" towards. As a matter of fact, not one Democrat voted "Yea" on this. This information is documented HERE Fortunately, or unfortunately, the news doesn't want to report everything. In lookingat the different votes, it appears that the Senate believed that this should be handled at the state level rather than the federal level.....which actually makes sense. I'm going to look at this piece by piece.... Sooooo.... technically if this law would have passed... then we would have had a great mess on our hands... The poor would have gotten increasingly poorer... the rich would have gotten increasingly richer and now not have to pay any penalities for breaking the law by hiring these people in the first place... Then we would have created an permament slave wage state for two classes of people. Those who are U.S. citizens would be forced to work for less than minium wage because it would be legal to hire the aliens for less... The Aliens would be stuck at always making slave wages because althought they wouldn't have to face being deported... They would only have a workers status but never be a U.S. citizen so that they could demand at least mininum wage... But lastly... who would that policy have benefitted? Only the rich business owners... I really wish I could find a particular article that was indicating the people weren't willing to take many of the lower paying jobs....therefor, these jobs were "given to others". The issue is much greater than what is typically reported. What you have is many people who are in the US legally and illegally. What is more cost effective? I believe that part of the reason for this is that the amount of time/effort/man-power which would be needed to get all illegal immigrants out of the country would supercede letting them stay. Additionally, the new issue would be the fact that many had children who would be considered citizens. Would you separate all of the families based on if they were true citizens or not? I will admit that those that are working these jobs are tending to be the fastest growing population and tend to live all together. They were willing to do jobs that most of use weren't/aren't...even now.....[/quote] Nikkol, Republicans (inbold) still exceed democrats (bold). lol Seriously, I think whats important is what were the pardons granted. Where they relative to government officials stealing, scandals, and etc, or were they prison related pardons..etc. With regards to the "job given to others" Companies that seek outside employment from other countries, do so for the sole purpose of "cutting back costs" . The compaies are High-demand low reward companies. There is no way, you can pay me .22 cents an hour, to help make a nike tennis shoe. when the finished products, produces BILLIONS. There is no way you can pay me $2.00 an hour to cut oranges and apples from a tree. If the PAY was up to standard, I don't believe anyone would have any problems taking a high demand job, and performing in it. The jobs that people dont want, or wont take, is due to the fact that they are able to compare which company is better to work for. If IBM is paying their customer reps $13.50, and Sprint $6.25, which one would you apply for. But whats happening is, these same companies realize I don't have to pay that much money to anybody..So I'll base my customer service department in Indonesia. Its more cost effective because you can pay them .45 cents an hour while still having your 24/7 customer support. |
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Post by kitty on Jul 15, 2008 12:34:43 GMT -5
hey Jasmine....
i think the points that you made were valid....
I don't think there is any reason to call people that don't want to work for .45 cents and hour lazy... or claim that they just don't want to work...
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 15, 2008 16:51:33 GMT -5
Why work for at or under min. wage and still be homeless... you can't pay rent, light and food... You make more money begging on the street... People want to work... they want to make a decent living. They feel that Black ppl who have been living in this country all their lives and forefather slaved in this country and made it the most prosperous country should just take any old thing and be happy.... I have a degree and experience, why should I settle for min. wage or work in somebody field for changes.
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Post by keita on Sept 5, 2008 12:39:41 GMT -5
BUMP 
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..... I guess you can call Cindy, John sugar mama ;D
Bush's Administration is what got us into this mess... His whole focus is on spend more money on war and neglecting everything esle.... He did very little to fight against abortion... yes, he veto a few bills, but no fight and the same with gay agenda. He did nothing for the poor, and elderly... So explain what he did and what you think McCain will do... 
