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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 18, 2008 14:48:37 GMT -5
Neither! And, with all due respect, I don't believe that the scripture suggested that. A single Bishop, imho, has no business being a bishop if he is "compelled" to keep fornicating, and Paul talked about the character and behavior of men in leadership positions in the church. A married bishop has no business getting married either if he is still trying to get himself together on any level for that matter, but especially when it comes to sexual behavior within the marriage. If he's not together before (and not just a bishop) it won't just "happen" overnight by getting married. The scripture does say "IF you cannot control your desires, you SHOULD get married." And if anybody is burning that high, then go ye therefore and batheth seven times in whatever icy water is available nearby... So what does the good Bishop do with all these natural burning desires he has................especially when he knows that this is an area that he is weak in and that he desires to be with a woman......a shower is not going to help that kind of burning....... If sexual urges were so easy to control, I just have to wonder why did Paul say: But in order to avoid sexual sins, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. (1Cor 7:1-2)
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].(1Cor 7:8-9)
Seriously, the Bible gives us a clear sound solution to avoid sexual sins and that is to marry.......... It is better to marry than burn or another translation for burn (taketh iceth coldeth showers) ;D |
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Post by Jasmine on Sept 18, 2008 15:54:09 GMT -5
Neither! And, with all due respect, I don't believe that the scripture suggested that. A single Bishop, imho, has no business being a bishop if he is "compelled" to keep fornicating, and Paul talked about the character and behavior of men in leadership positions in the church. A married bishop has no business getting married either if he is still trying to get himself together on any level for that matter, but especially when it comes to sexual behavior within the marriage. If he's not together before (and not just a bishop) it won't just "happen" overnight by getting married. The scripture does say "IF you cannot control your desires, you SHOULD get married." And if anybody is burning that high, then go ye therefore and batheth seven times in whatever icy water is available nearby... I agree. I would not prefer to see either get married. People do marry for various reasons, in addition to sex, but to marry someone SOLEY for the purpose of sex, is selfish and its definitely not the true intentions of a "covenant relationship". Individuals who marry as such, have no intimate or personal connection to the one they have married. They are driven by their flesh, and their desires are based on fulfilling their own sexual needs. Selfish. |
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Post by Jasmine on Sept 18, 2008 16:08:38 GMT -5
Does sexual sins, just go away with marriage? I think this is an important question.
Millions of married and single men, (but lets focus on married men), are consistent viewers of pornography, active participants of masturbation, and will verbally express that they do these things to prevent adultery, and do it because they're bored sexually.
If sexual sins ended with marriage, then Pauls statement would be the cure for single men. However, its very evident that sexual sins do not end with marriage, due to the millions of christian married men who are continuously struggling with it.
Thats just what I have found.
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Post by nina2 on Sept 18, 2008 16:41:01 GMT -5
No, a shower is not going to help that kind of burning, not permanently....
And, what I mean by that is also that as natural as those “needs” are, and even though they are expressed in a very physical way, they don’t necessarily start and end in the physical realm, right?
Even though not every man and woman has the same sexual “appetite”, there is a difference between just lusting 24/7 – as a single or a married person - and being aware of a natural need to satisfy.
If somebody just lusts, anything and anybody can satisfy them....
There is a difference between lust and desire.
That’s why I don’t believe that marriage is the “cure”, nor should it be thought of as such.
The apostle Paul did not say that they were easy to control, apparently it was a very real issue, enough for him to talk about it openly. However, he did not say either that they were impossible to control.
I think that interpreting that scripture as saying that, and only that re burning vs getting married, opens the door to a lot of abuse, in more than one way, and again, I don’t believe that’s what it says.
The apostle Paul repeatedly advocated not getting married, period. He even upheld the Jewish tradition, of the father making the decision of “giving” or “not giving” his virgin daughter, since it was the father making that decision without the daughter having anything to say about it. And he said that if a father did not want to give his daughter in marriage, then he had not sinned.....
So, no, that’s not what the apostle said about marriage and satisfaction of burning sexual desires. Marriage is not, has never been, the alternative to sexual sins....
Again, the physical manifestation is the end, not where it starts, and the mind is definitely the battle ground for those issues also. So, that is where the "control" part happens, that's where it has to be stopped if/when it happens out of sync and/or order.
He did not say they could be suppressed, only controlled.
Hence, “iceth coldeth showers” actually have a purpose.... among other things :-)
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 19, 2008 7:46:33 GMT -5
Does sexual sins, just go away with marriage? I think this is an important question. Millions of married and single men, (but lets focus on married men), are consistent viewers of pornography, active participants of masturbation, and will verbally express that they do these things to prevent adultery, and do it because they're bored sexually. If sexual sins ended with marriage, then Pauls statement would be the cure for single men. However, its very evident that sexual sins do not end with marriage, due to the millions of christian married men who are continuously struggling with it. Thats just what I have found. And not just married men. :-) |
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Post by stillfocused on Sept 19, 2008 17:11:02 GMT -5
I knew this topic would be a hot discussion. If we are honest with ourselves( those who have been sexually active before salvation and after) the biggest reason many people get married is to have sex...legally I might add because there has been such a big wop about this subject.
Just a thought: Has it to anyone that just maybe this man wants a heir to carry on this the legacy within his family. Yes, he has a daughter..yet, a male would more suitable to carry on what has been handed down to him from previous generations. Not, saying Sydney couldn't carry..I have noticed that some denominations are receptive to male heirs then they are female heirs.
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Post by stillfocused on Sept 19, 2008 17:13:46 GMT -5
by the way there are more important things that we need to be discussing..as how we will up paying for all those financial bailouts that occurred this week. I am sure that both matters weight on the heart of the Father..somehow I just feel that what is happening around us is a matter he's not too pleased with..
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 19, 2008 22:42:48 GMT -5
by the way there are more important things that we need to be discussing..as how we will up paying for all those financial bailouts that occurred this week. I am sure that both matters weight on the heart of the Father..somehow I just feel that what is happening around us is a matter he's not too pleased with.. here we go.....  |
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Post by stillfocused on Sept 19, 2008 23:29:19 GMT -5
AT...I have nothing against you. You seem to ready to attack at all cost..for you what BW is doing may seem to be of great concern to you..but, for me he's a man and no matter what anyone says on this bb he will stand before God just like we all will. When I checked my email this morning and saw the ad..I knew that someone would have a problem and much to say about it..I had to laugh because I knew the next 100 pg topic would already be started if I checked in. What is it that is wanted of this man; that he can't pay you for ? He knows what he's doing and sadly for many it will that they want to be the next great wonder. We all know that men heal and move on to the next relationship quicker that women do. Does he need spend time getting to know himself..yes....does he need to put his life on hold..No. And does he owe any of us an explanation for the madness..No !! But, hey you have to give him some credit..he put it out there for the whole world and to me that takes guts..
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Post by stillfocused on Sept 19, 2008 23:44:53 GMT -5
I was sitting here wondering what was learned over the last year ?
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Post by heaven on Sept 20, 2008 9:13:09 GMT -5
Actually he does because whoever he picks is going to be first lady of his church and that's a big responsibility.
No not really. I think there's something behind him telling the world he is looking for a wife. By his past actions, he might be doing this just to hurt Juanita. Cause he could have kept this to himself and nobody would know what he was doing.
I know this has to hurt her. Because they just got divorce and he is already looking for someone to replace her. And this is in every news story. From what I've read, people are already calling her publicist trying to get her reaction about this. Now people are going to be in her face about it.
He's not thinking about nobody but himself. It's more than just him involved in this, his daughter is involved in this too.
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Post by stillfocused on Sept 20, 2008 10:53:15 GMT -5
Just a thought how come everything this man does reverts back to Juanita ? It appears that he is moving on. He put it out there and yes, it took guts because I am quite sure he knew the repercussions and outrage that it produce. Let God be God..because our thoughts, opinions, and "what coulda and shoulda" isn't going to change to the outcome of the matter..this man has made "his request" known. Not, trying to start anything..I betta the response wouldn't be the same if it was the other way around.
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Post by vin on Sept 20, 2008 11:49:43 GMT -5
The article said he's looking for a wife and is going to document his search on video. Do you guys think he's going to do 10 videos on how horny he is? Gimmie a break people! Church folk is a trip. We have...wait a minute not we, cause I ain't doing it...have turned this thing into a discussion about the man's sex life. I'm gonna go to his website and see if I can watch the video myself because I have a hard time believing he's gonna do ten videos of how horny he is and therefore needs to get married. I'm sure he has stated other reasons for wanting a wife but in true church-folk form, the sex issue comes out on top. Folks on here (don't remember who) asking would you marry him knowing his past..... HE/SHE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, LET THEM CAST THE FIRST STONE! Like nobody on here has a past. Like nobody is still dealing with some stuff. The only difference between him and us is he became very public when he married a public woman. So everything he does and says is MAGNIFIED. If our lives became as public as his how would we look to him or to each other? If people knew all the people we've had sex with in our past and all the nasty stuff we've done and don't remember doing how would they be talking about us if we said we still wanted to be married again? Contrary to what some people believe and swear by, JUANITA BYNUM IS NOT PERFECT OR BLAMELESS!. Nobody is. At least the man wants to be married. He could just be a loose whore like a lot of other preachers are. Going from town to town, church to church tearing up houses and lives. But somehow I don't believe it would make a difference what he does to some people. If he stayed single a year or two before he sought a wife again, somebody would have something to say about that too. "he shoulda waited three years". If he chooses a woman who's lightskinned omg there'd be a problem with that. Would that be a slap in Juanita's face too because she's dark skinned? Does he have to pretend not to want more children just because she couldn't have any? How is everything he's doing slapping her in the face? Everybody on here wants sex. One of the main concerns you have whether you voice it or not, especially when you're thinking about getting married are sexual issues. Sex doesn't make a marriage but it will break it. For the Christian, marriage is the only legal place to have sex so please don't pretend it's not and issue or concern. You can work around cooking and work through a lot a stuff, but if a brother or sister can't put it down in the bedroom there's a problem. But because we don't talk about those things we can pretend they are not there. It's there in all of us and it's not always a matter of being lustful or needing deliverance. Even Paul said that we are all different in that area. Some of us naturally have greater sex drive than others. One person having a stronger sex drive doesn't make them a sinner. So what he masturbates? If he never said he does, nobody would know he does. The only reason anybody knows is because he told it. Have yawl noticed that's one thing God doesn't tell about people? When was the last time God showed you that somebody masturbates? If you knew all the people in your church who masturbates you wouldn't shake hands or kiss anybody. Married people masturbate for each other to turn each other on. It's a part of what goes on in their bedroom in private. The only problem I have with him masturbating is that he wasn't wise enough to keep that info to himself. But then again who am I to say? Noel Jones was asked a question if it was wrong and he never gave a straight answer. Made me wonder if he does it the way he skirted around the question. He pretty much answered in a way that suggested he thinks it's okay and does it himself. He is single. Yawl gonna crucify him too? yes i'm fussin. sorry. but yawl know..... pluck that chicken fry him and eat him! |
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Post by vin on Sept 20, 2008 12:08:53 GMT -5
Honestly it just seems to me that this man deserves the same benefit of mercy, grace understanding and forgiveness that we have given his ex wife. She came out of that same marriage, not her first either, and hit the ground (no pun intended) running. She went straight to the magazines, and television and part of her message now is about making a mark in the world (secular). She's gone to tv shows, and divorce court of all places.
This man doesn't seem to be doing anything but trying to move on with his life and yes, desiring another wife. We say it's the same for her as for him, but when the discussion gets off to a rolling start oh he's just the worst thing and she's this perfect little victim.
Why can't he get the same benefit of mercy from us? Because it's certainly not a matter of him getting it from God. It's not God but God's people who hold grudges and keep people hostage to their past sins and failures.
Who's really saying, "pluck that chicken! fry him and eat him!"
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Post by vin on Sept 20, 2008 12:17:39 GMT -5
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