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Post by keita on Oct 17, 2008 12:26:15 GMT -5
LOL! Somebody please take that mic away from sis nikkol, before she hurts herself running around, LOL! Sis Keita, I'm with you, let's agree to disagree, but in a respectful way. And perhaps my bottom line crap comment wasn't the kindest way to express myself, but that is truly how I feel about this whole subject. But I have kept out off this thread because I am NOT gonna spend countless posts going back and forth trying to explain and defend and explain again my opinion(s). Sis GAP, I certainly hope I have not disrespected you or anyone else in any way. And I apologize, just in case. Actually, and if I haven't made it clear by now, I honestly don't think we actually disagree at all (or very much) in our opinions of what TW is currently doing. And I do truly understand your choice to keep off this thread. Because frankly, I have remained largely silent on threads like the various "husband search" ones, among others, for much the same reason you've given. But regardless to my perspective, I think I have done that without criticizing either the topic(s) or those who choose to discuss them, at whatever length. I'm just glad we can both/all find topics on this board that we each deem worthy of, as you put it, "countless posts going back and forth trying to explain and defend and explain again my opinion(s)". The first day this thread began I said: why feed into his madness by even mentioning/discussing it? the best way to be rid of foolishness like this is to not give place to it in the first place. when one no longer has a forum, one will go away...................... [/size] Later on that day I added: It's true we all have our own issues, but some people follow madness cause it makes them feel better about their own madness.
I just think it's ridiculous to keep feeding into people's madness. Doesn't mean I don't silently whisper 'Lord bless him' or 'Lord deliver, heal, save and set free' either.
There's a such thing as a mediawh--e and unfortunately that is what some people always in the limelight are. There's a such thing as holy groupies and that's what some people are who always follow them. Nevertheless, I'm sure that this will turn into another 35 page thread further spreading the madness................ [/quote] You definitely made your position clear and I fully respected both it and your exit from the thread. And I personally agree with BOTH of bro kb's reposnses on this thread, at least in the sentiments, if not the semantics, LOL! However, later on the same date, I also made clear my concern about some of the responses to this matter by saying: Paul said:
Now, concerning the things that you wrote about: It's good for men not to get married.But in order to avoid sexual sins, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. (1Cor 7:1-2)I say to those who are not married, especially to widows: It is good for you to stay single like me.
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire]. [/i](1Cor 7:8-9)[/size][/b] So, apart from the publicity stunt method, what's the problem with TW seeking a wife?[/quote] and chose to remain in the discussion, largely because of the turn it took at that point. You moved on to other topics, as did I, although I also continued to enjoy discussing this one. Liberty is a wonderful thing! ... Keita THANK YOU SO MUCH for your Flava Flav comment. I believe it bears repeating!!!!! LOLI just want to add:FLAVA FLAV!!!!!!! ROFLOL!!! No thanks at all needed for that one, sis GAP, LOL! See? I told you our opinions on this matter are truly not that different.  But I still and truly believe that no matter how passionate our feelings or how strong our opinions, they both bear examining in light of the word of GOD, ESPECIALLY when judging the actions and behavior of our brothers and sisters. That was and is my primary point throughout this thread and reason for continuing with it. So, like you, both my opinion and my "stance" also remain the same.  (In the process of this thread, I also think we got some of the makings of a really good Bible Study discussion of 1Cor 7:1-2;8-9 and Christian sexuality, to boot. And I say, "WOO HOO!!!" to that. Because I welcome topics like that even if, like some of our (imho) best topics and discussions, they come via the continuing drama of TW and his ex-wife.  ) |
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 17, 2008 14:26:53 GMT -5
Gap..I must agree. Many have fallen and continue to preach and counsel with no thought of how they can make others fall or caused to fall,,because of the many doors that were left open for the enemy to attack their families and the body.
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 22, 2008 11:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 22, 2008 14:13:56 GMT -5
anointedteacher,
where is the proof of such? on the JB thread you don't want us to talk about what the young lady presented as facts and scriptures, instead you instructed us to come here only to see that you posted a link that provides no proof of what is being claimed. At least, I didn't find anything so if I missed it, please provide the link that shows that he was caught in the act or has admitted to having homosexual affairs.
Thanks!
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 22, 2008 16:26:54 GMT -5
anointedteacher, where is the proof of such? on the JB thread you don't want us to talk about what the young lady presented as facts and scriptures, instead you instructed us to come here only to see that you posted a link that provides no proof of what is being claimed. At least, I didn't find anything so if I missed it, please provide the link that shows that he was caught in the act or has admitted to having homosexual affairs. Thanks! I got this from the link Nikkol posted on about JB treat.... As far as what a young lady posted about JB.... I didn't see it... But I notice everything JB does is either critized or mocked, even if it something that's positive. Everything TW does is justified. I read this article... and it is hard for me to believe it is true.... although, he do show some signs that make me wonder and I don't understand why he so hook on sex... I posted the link to show I am not the only one who think this reality show is sick... since the show will be involving innocent women and most likely very young desperated women. And the winner wife #3, may become another victim of abuse. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 22, 2008 16:42:21 GMT -5
again, we don't know any of what you stated to be fact and since he is our brother in the Lord we ought to be careful of what we label him, yet at the same time understand that he was convicted of the abuse to JB.
The link that Nikkol posted is a youtube video of someone who actually call JB Ministries and she shares what she was told regarding the retreat - basically the same thing that was already posted by sis keita. This person then gives reasons and scriptures stating why we ought to be careful.
As for why TW love sex so much is obvious. He is a sex addict and because of this to him he sees only one way of solving the issue - find someone else to have sex with. Instead, he should be looking to THE ONE, Jesus Christ, who can lead him on the path of deliverance. It is a known fact that many men and women are addicted to sex.
I was once addicted to sex until the Lord called me and drew me in. Yes, I looked for ways to have sex and if I wasn't with anyone I did what I could to find someone for a "booty call". It was a sad, empty, destructive life that I was living. However...but God!
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 22, 2008 22:56:14 GMT -5
( Because your entire post was discussing JB's upcoming retreat only, I have moved it HERE. "keita") |
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Post by keita on Oct 23, 2008 8:49:48 GMT -5
...Many have fallen and continue to preach and counsel with no thought of how they can make others fall or caused to fall,,because of the many doors that were left open for the enemy to attack their families and the body. Sis sf, that is indeed a very serious issue. Are you saying that this is the case with Thomas Weeks? If so, then I'm asking, "What evidence led you to that conclusion?" Thank YOU, sis ASWSOY! Especially for your opening question, but I would also ask that same question about this: As for why TW love sex so much is obvious. He is a sex addict and because of this to him he sees only one way of solving the issue - find someone else to have sex with. Instead, he should be looking to THE ONE, Jesus Christ, who can lead him on the path of deliverance... That's because Lord knows, I am TOTALLY with you on this: again, we don't know any of what you stated to be fact and since he is our brother in the Lord we ought to be careful of what we label him, yet at the same time understand that he was convicted of the abuse to JB. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 23, 2008 9:09:44 GMT -5
keita,
will get back to you on this one but for now I will tell you that it is his fruit and some of his own words concerning it that has led me to this conclusion.
also...it's what I do (ministry)
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Post by keita on Oct 23, 2008 9:54:46 GMT -5
Fair enough, sis ASWSOY.
Because I not only value your discernment, I would also defer to you on practical matters like what (clinically?) differentiates a "sex addict" from someone who simply likes sex..."A LOT" (whatever that means, LOL!).
Again, as I've said throughout this thread, I'm not at all unwilling to hear or consider the accusations against our brother and I may/do even personally agree with many of them.
But my/our agreement or disagreement of opinion alone is neither here nor there.
Because when it comes to judging the actions and behavior of our brothers and sisters in Christ, we are charged by Christ to do so with what the bible calls righteous judgment (John 7:24), which in many cases lands us in a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
I, for one, have been deeply personally convicted in this area, and I know I'm not that special. So I'm also looking for us to corporately "lift up the standard" when it comes to who, what, when, and, most importantly, HOW we are commanded to judge, no matter who the brother or sister is.
For me, as has been the case with most of the TW/JB threads of the past year or so, it both was and is still about precepts, principles, and lessons, not the particular people involved. As I've said many times before, imho, JB/TW (or whoever) may be the subject(s) but they are not the issue.
And it's interesting that sis ASWSOY and I both have something of a ministry perspective about this. As a Christian counselor, I have often found myself helping someone try to pick up the pieces of a life/career/ministry which was destroyed largely by church folks' judgments that were anything but righteous.
So I hope y'all will just continue to bear with (if not join) me in my zeal for my/our getting better at "judging righteous judgment".
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Post by vin on Oct 23, 2008 10:39:53 GMT -5
Sex addict? wow. Those are strong words. I think it would be wise for us to research what a sex addict really is by listening to people who really were/are sex addicts. Promise me, what TW is doing is NOT evidence of a sex addict. It may not be the wisest thing for him to do, but it definitely does not make him a sex addict.
But see that's what happens when we go on and on on a subject that should have been dropped a long time ago. The subject of JB and TW has turned into a filibuster (sp?). Only difference is, this topic won't die.
The bottom line is that neither JB or TW will ever be the same again. They won't as individuals, and neither will their ministries. What they were able to do before neither of them will ever be able to do again. And that's NOT a good thing. The devil did exactly what he intended to do, he smote the shepherds and scattered the sheep.
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Post by keita on Oct 23, 2008 11:45:28 GMT -5
Sex addict? wow. Those are strong words. I think it would be wise for us to research what a sex addict really is by listening to people who really were/are sex addicts. Promise me, what TW is doing is NOT evidence of a sex addict. It may not be the wisest thing for him to do, but it definitely does not make him a sex addict.
But see that's what happens when we go on and on on a subject that should have been dropped a long time ago. Sis vin, although you apparently disagree with sis ASWSOY, I thought both of your posts were thoughtful, and relevant contributions to this discussion. So I'm confused about what exactly you are saying is "what happens when we go on and on on a subject that should have been dropped a long time ago". And, no matter the topic, at least on this board, how long a discussion "should" or does continue is nearly always determined, not by our individual, personal preferences or opinions about a subject, but by whether or how long there are members interested in discussing it. After all these years and topics, I'm still glad about that. I've definitely seen some outright "filibustering" on this thread and may even be guilty of some myself. But I've also seen MUCH discussion on this thread and other JB/TW threads which has been both constructive and fruitful. So, I think your characterization is a matter of personal opinion, as is the implication that this or any other topic should "die". Now here's another case where I both understand and appreciate your perspective, and, in some ways, am even inclined to at least somewhat agree with what you've said. However, as I previously said to sis GAP , I do disagree with you about what, and where, "the bottom line is". At any rate, regarding Thomas Weeks' "wife search"/reality show plans, I will say that for me this statement It may not be the wisest thing for him to do but it definitely does not make him... pretty much sums up the matter and my perspective about it. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 23, 2008 11:55:34 GMT -5
What TW produces is his fruit.... We are to judge according to the fruit... What he producing? SEX... everything is surrounded by sex... His present sex drive should not be an open book to the public, the church or his congregation... It seduces and NOT deliver those who have sexual problems and plus it plant seed or transfer spirits to those who don't .... It draw ppl with like spirits, male(gay men) as well as famale toward him, lusting after him, fantasizing and even try to get to him. Instead of getting counselling and deliverance..... He is selling out... and feeding this spirit. No woman can meet his needs still he is delivered. NO woman can full in the void and gap in his life... All we will see is another wounded and beaten down (spiritually, emotionally and physically) woman and a bunch hurt, disappionted, and confused women who thought God said they were the one.
ASWSOY, may know more about sex addiction than those who never experience it. I don't know if he is gay or not.... this rumor have been out way before he marry JB.... He said it was the reason JB try to divorce him in 2005, so it is nothing new... But if he keep feeding this spirit, sooner or later he might find himself in that direction.
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Post by keita on Oct 23, 2008 12:23:26 GMT -5
What TW produces is his fruit.... We are to judge according to the fruit... AMEN. And I will simply add this. We often think of morality in terms of sexual sins, but according to Jesus, sins such as gossip, slander, greed, and deceit are equally immoral. Honesty and integrity are held as very important values throughout the Bible, and any deception to gain an advantage or harm another or their reputation is prohibited by the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:16) and other Bible passages. Deception may be by false statements, half-truths, innuendo, or failing to tell the whole truth. It is all too common in advertising, business dealings, politics and everyday life. Most of all, it impedes the " judging with righteous judgment" which we are charged with doing. Therefore, as Christians, we must strongly resist the temptation to engage in any form of deception, including slander or gossip. |
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Post by vin on Oct 23, 2008 17:06:41 GMT -5
Nobody on this BB community has spent enough time with TW to discuss his sex drive. Outside of the small tidbits we got from him and JB in the past few years we know nothing. We have no details except for what has been edited and spoon fed to us. NOBODY on here has a close enough relationship with him to decide that he is a sex addict. I stand by what I said about being dropped a long time ago because what happens when we spend too much time in other people's business is that we start saying things that aren't true and can't be proven. We start drawing our own conclusions based on our own narrow experience with the person or total LACK of experience with the person. So everything we say is nothing more than opinion. So to call someone a sex addict is inappropriate and totally out of line. Say what you want and I promise I won't get dragged into another ugly situation like I was before. Especially over something that does not concern me or anyone on this board. No one on here is even a member of his church. How can anyone make such a strong statement about him? Using the idea of judging fruit would make a lot more sense if someone was actually judging by something that they actually see. Like some type of a real relationship even as pastor and church member. We don't even have that. Have any of us actually been in his presence in the past 6 months, talked to him, or sat and listened to him? But he's a sex addict.  Having a strong sex drive and being a sex addict are two entirely different things. That's my point and I won't change that because it's true. It seems to me that some of us are way too interested in this man's sex life. But then again, everybody's needs aren't being met at home so you know... |
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Sis Keita, I'm with you, let's agree to disagree, but in a respectful way. And perhaps my bottom line crap comment wasn't the kindest way to express myself, but that is truly how I feel about this whole subject. But I have kept out off this thread because I am NOT gonna spend countless posts going back and forth trying to explain and defend and explain again my opinion(s). 
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