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Post by giantsdodie on Dec 16, 2008 9:24:25 GMT -5
We need to keep some things in the Biblical context of the times. It wasnt uncommon for a man to have MULTIPLE wives. I believe the scripture was saying that a man could not be a polygamist and be a pastor or bishop. I thought that polygamy was an old testament practice, not a new one, but that does does make a whole lot of sense. We think of OLD and NEW testament but in that time there was no NEW testament because it hadnt been written yet. We tend to think there was this big red dividing line but the reality is.. there wasnt.. Remember it was Jesus who taught this.. Matthew 19:4-6 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. There had to be teaching on God's design for marriage. |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Dec 16, 2008 9:46:08 GMT -5
We think of OLD and NEW testament but in that time there was no NEW testament because it hadnt been written yet. We tend to think there was this big red dividing line but the reality is.. there wasnt.. Another excellent point. TEACH TEACHA!!!! ;D |
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Post by Nikkol on Dec 16, 2008 9:47:00 GMT -5
In discussion with someone else, they mentioned three different "types":
Married Pastors
Single Pastors
Eunich Pastors
In a collegial eldership I can understand some pastors being single. (this is NOT the same as a pastor who is a widow)......
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Post by nina2 on Dec 16, 2008 12:14:19 GMT -5
Wasn't Timothy a Bishop, ordained by the apostle Paul, AND single??
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Dec 16, 2008 12:28:46 GMT -5
Wasn't Timothy a Bishop, ordained by the apostle Paul, AND single?? i don't think so, where's the scripture found ? |
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Post by anointedteacher on Dec 16, 2008 13:52:53 GMT -5
Wasn't Timothy a Bishop, ordained by the apostle Paul, AND single?? i don't think so, where's the scripture found ? Where scripture that say that Paul, Timothy and Titus were married? And how about Apollo, was he married? I believe this marriage thing is nothing more than another yoke man put on the neck of believers. Now I understand the responses to TW finding a wife.... He shouldn't pastor and be single.... How about those who lose their wives through death, not divorce... Do U thing it is wise to quickly re-marry... They all have the same responsibilities and that is to shepherd God's ppl... You can add woman pastor to the list |
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Post by nina2 on Dec 16, 2008 15:20:09 GMT -5
"Where is the scripture found?"
There are two that can be understood as referring to Timothy being "celibate" and "single":
1- 1 Tim 1:12
Paul talks about Timothy's "purity"
2- 2 Tim 2:4
It could be understood as talking about the "single life" re "does not become entangled in the business affairs of life."
Also, in Church History, the Bollandists give two references about Timothy's life:
- One ascribed to Polycrates
- The other by Metaphrastes
The one by Polycrates says that Timothy was unmarried and continued bishop of Ephesus until martyred and beaten to death by pagans when he was already over 80 years old.
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Post by auneeqsol on Apr 2, 2009 12:20:38 GMT -5
I would have to say that the scripture mentioning Bishops must be the husband of one wife, was not commanding one to be married, but an "in the case that one is married" because it wouldn't be that God is saying one must have children in order to be a Bishop. What if one got married in advanced age along with his wife being past childbearing years and could not bear children but being equipped to oversee.
So in light of the direction of the scripture I would say marriage is not a command or requirement.
Oftentimes we take what the scriptures gives us at face value and we complicate it so as to setting boundaries where they are not meant to be set. It's the simplicity of the word that makes it rich to all who receive.
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 2, 2009 13:29:41 GMT -5
I would have to say that the scripture mentioning Bishops must be the husband of one wife, was not commanding one to be married, but an "in the case that one is married" because it wouldn't be that God is saying one must have children in order to be a Bishop. What if one got married in advanced age along with his wife being past childbearing years and could not bear children but being equipped to oversee. So in light of the direction of the scripture I would say marriage is not a command or requirement. Oftentimes we take what the scriptures gives us at face value and we complicate it so as to setting boundaries where they are not meant to be set. It's the simplicity of the word that makes it rich to all who receive. Amen  |
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Post by Nikkol on Apr 2, 2009 14:22:51 GMT -5
Oftentimes we take what the scriptures gives us at face value and we complicate it so as to setting boundaries where they are not meant to be set. It's the simplicity of the word that makes it rich to all who receive. If we don't take it on "face value", how does one "decide what should be taken as stated and not. It begins to make everything relative...... BTW, you still OWE me a phonecall. :-) |
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 2, 2009 15:01:59 GMT -5
I haven't posted in a while..after reading through the post. I believe that making the requirement for one married to be a Pastor can and does cause many problems. Some will marry because their denomination will say "you cannot preach"; unless you marry. I just thinking that many people would have to sit down because they don't meet the qualifications of the positions they have in their church..because their home life is out order..their kids are out there on drugs..
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Post by Nikkol on Apr 2, 2009 16:37:06 GMT -5
I haven't posted in a while..after reading through the post. I believe that making the requirement for one married to be a Pastor can and does cause many problems. Some will marry because their denomination will say "you cannot preach"; unless you marry. I just thinking that many people would have to sit down because they don't meet the qualifications of the positions they have in their church..because their home life is out order..their kids are out there on drugs.. I think that there is a distinction between being a minister of the gospel and being a pastor. Many ppl are in positions that they aren't qualified for. The question is just because a person "can" do something, does that mean that they should? |
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 2, 2009 16:43:10 GMT -5
I haven't posted in a while..after reading through the post. I believe that making the requirement for one married to be a Pastor can and does cause many problems. Some will marry because their denomination will say "you cannot preach"; unless you marry. I just thinking that many people would have to sit down because they don't meet the qualifications of the positions they have in their church..because their home life is out order..their kids are out there on drugs.. If their household is not in order, than they should sit down to govern their home first.... I am not talking about grown children who are out of the house. Marriage is not a requirement to pastor a church. It is man's doctrine to put unnecessary yokes on a person neck. |
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Post by vin on Apr 2, 2009 17:52:31 GMT -5
Maybe the reason he said they must be the "husband of one wife" is not that they be required to be married but rather that they not have multiple wives. Were they not living in a time and place where there was a lot of multiple wives or men having more than one wife? That's probably what the scripture really means. But onest again MAN gets hold of a scripture and makes a doctrine out of it without really knowing or at least even studying the times that the scripture was written.
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 2, 2009 18:08:34 GMT -5
Hi AT..do we finally agree on something : ) Good point..
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