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Post by Servant4Christ on Oct 25, 2005 21:56:44 GMT -5
Greetings,
Did anyone see TBN tonight with Prophetess Bynum as host? Bishop William Ellis was a guest. God has turned his situation around. He does not have to do any time.
Four days before he was to turn himself in, he received a call.
Praise the Name of the Lord!!!
But God!!! But God!!!! Glory to God!!!!
Prayer changes everything.
Hallelujah!! Hallelujah!!!! Hallelujah!!!!
Thank you, Jesus.
"If God is for you, who can be against you?"
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Post by keita on Oct 26, 2005 20:38:42 GMT -5
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Post by Servant4Christ on Oct 27, 2005 0:12:04 GMT -5
Greetings,
What a bias newspaper report. Some fact-some not.
As Bishop Ellis stated on TBN, and other places, the men and women of God are under attack.
As always, God has the last word.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 27, 2005 5:00:42 GMT -5
But didn't he admit to doing it? And if so, is that really being "under attack" or is it reaping what we have sown?  |
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 27, 2005 6:35:53 GMT -5
But didn't he admit to doing it? And if so, is that really being "under attack" or is it reaping what we have sown? That's true.... BTW, when I looked up his name, one of the first things that come up is what is known as "Bishop William Ellis tax"......thought that was pretty weird. |
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Post by Anointed Teacher on Oct 27, 2005 23:46:12 GMT -5
It was GOD who worked on his behalf, and turn that situation around  . So who side you are on  ? the media, internets, and the ungodly world or God ? People put more faith into the unto unworldly things than God . One thing I know, God is tired of Saints tearing down saints, espeacially those in leadership  . AT |
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Post by Me on Oct 28, 2005 0:52:19 GMT -5
ummmm, who was tearing down saints and/or leadership?
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Post by keita on Oct 28, 2005 1:48:49 GMT -5
It was GOD who worked on his behalf, and turn that situation around . Well, I think we agree that without a doubt God is able, so your conclusion is certainly one possibility. But at this point, I don't agree that it is the only one. That question would prove troubling even for many who would truthfully answer, "God's side". I say that because your question seems intended to imply that to be on God's side is the same as being on William Ellis' side...or yours. Now that's very unfortunately true. It is equally true that people also often mistakenly attribute "worldly things" to God's hand. I am aware of and really do appreciate how passionately you feel about that and I truly don't think anyone is doing it here. But with regard to "leadership", in many cases, I believe God is both tearing it down... and raising it up. |
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 28, 2005 11:29:45 GMT -5
I am aware of and really do appreciate how passionately you feel about that and I truly don't think anyone is doing it here. But with regard to "leadership", in many cases, I believe God is both tearing it down... and raising it up. I believe that God has winked at alot of things in times past. I believe that those who profess Christ, should always remember that We are mirrors of Christ. When people look at our actions, Hear our words, see our deeds, they should see CHRIST. The only thing about this entire case that bothers me..He did what others HAVE and Will continue to do. The majority of all churches purchase new car in the church's name for their pastors. The churches pay the Pastor's Credit Card expense that was obtained under the church name/pastor's name. The pastor's purchases a house, and recieves a "housing allowance" which exempts them from taxes. They are required to report ALL income received. Church salary, housing allowances, and etc. It really sounds like ignorance to tax laws..and this is why they need professionals in the Church Administrative offices. There is no way he would have received $1,000 dollars out of the collection plate..Trust me it would have been deducted from his salary. My former pastor was a retired IRS collector. He knew the laws and made sure we knew them as well. He never signed checks, He did not deal with the money at all. He reviewed bank statements to see where the money was going, if all the bills were being paid on time and etc, other than that, he had no dealings. A very Smart man, is he. |
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 29, 2005 17:17:47 GMT -5
I am confused if this Pastor admitted to taking the funds and during other things with the money then it's not an attack of the enemy; yet, it's God exposing this thing. The Word of God tells us that when we are tempted God gives us a way of escape. If God had been dealing with him regarding his actions; then who are we to say that this man has been vindicated and given the glory to God for defeating our enemies. There's a picture bigger here and we all need to find out what God wants us to get from it.
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 29, 2005 23:58:05 GMT -5
I am confused if this Pastor admitted to taking the funds and during other things with the money then it's not an attack of the enemy; yet, it's God exposing this thing. The Word of God tells us that when we are tempted God gives us a way of escape. If God had been dealing with him regarding his actions; then who are we to say that this man has been vindicated and given the glory to God for defeating our enemies. There's a picture bigger here and we all need to find out what God wants us to get from it. The same Blood that cover all of your sins, cover his. The same God that had mercy on you, have mercy on him. The same Name that delivered you, delivered him.... God demonstrated what He did in your life through His Love, Mercy and the Power of the Blood of Jesus . The enemy is the accuser of the brethren, he will alway bring up things that is under the blood. Do you know that no-good devil, will bring up things you did years ago, to destroy your character? God dealt with you, forgave you, delivered you, and you put it behind you. As soon as God begin to promote you, here come the accuser... bringing up stuffs that is bury in the Blood. So we giving God glory for defeating the enemy not only in the man of God life, but in our also. If we have mercy and glorify God in someone else life, when we are in a situation, God will allow us to reap mercy too. AT |
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 30, 2005 5:52:28 GMT -5
I think that the point is as the scripture says that we will reap what we sow. Yes, we can repent (turn away) from sin. However, sin still does have consequences. If I robbed a bank and repented, true repentance isn't there until I confess to the police what occurred and take responsibility for my actions..... it's about taking responsibility.
This really has nothing to do with one's enemies but rather bringing into light how money can truly corrupt even those that we may think have it all together. We all should be careful of this kind of thing and remember that we shouldn't rob God... not just in tithes and offerings but by being disobedient or decietful. This includes paying to Caesar that which belongs to him.
Jasmine: Agreed. At the same time, I do believe that God does allow for people to be our leaders and we still have to pray for them whether we agree or not because honestly, the only person that we should all agree with totally is God......yet I think even if he was in "office" there would be things that he would do that we still wouldn't like......
As long as God gets the glory that's what matters the most.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 30, 2005 9:45:56 GMT -5
Good Points Nikkol!
AT, I don't believe anyone is saying that his sins are not covered under the blood for we know that if he asked for forgiveness and repented of his wrong doing then we know that God has forgiven him. The issue now is whether or not the enemy is attacking him or if he is simply reaping what he has sown (be it from ignorance or deceit).
IMO. God gets the ultimate glory when one has acknowledged their wrong doing, asked for forgiveness, walks in true repentance and comes forth as a better person than they were before the situation. That in all the mess, they allowed a work to be done within and has still gone on serving the Lord but at the same time understanding that there are consequences for the wrong that was done.
Scenerio (just came to mind as I was typing): I am a single woman and I know fornication is wrong, yet I decide to continue doing so. I eventually get pregnant. I ask for forgiveness and repent of my sins. Has God forgiven me, YES!! Is my sin covered under the blood, YES. But can I say that the enemy was trying to attack me? NO, I am simply reaping the consequences of my sin (though I am forgiven of it). It was simply the "lust of the flesh" not brought under control that was the real problem. I think of David - he had consequences to his sin but what made David blameless (not sinless) was his heart in the matter that always led him to repentance.
The man in this thread has done wrong, he has acknowledged his wrong but to say that the enemy is attacking the saints, though true, is not true in this case. And his only reason for not going to jail is not because he has been cleared from the matter but only because it is under appeal. Many people do not have to serve jail time while their case is under appeal.
Jasmine, good points - he may have done this out of ignorance and yes, many are doing this, however, that doesn't make it less wrong. We often say that we are only accountable for what we know - but somewhere in the bible it say for him to know to do and do it not will be beaten with many stripes, but he that doesn't know what he is doing is wrong will be beaten with few stripes. One knew, one didn't but both were beaten. Now that is just a paraphrase of the scripture and when I come from church, I will find it and post it. But again, nobody is saying that the man is not or cannot be forgiven.
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Post by anointed on Oct 30, 2005 11:27:52 GMT -5
Greetings, What a bias newspaper report. Some fact-some not. As Bishop Ellis stated on TBN, and other places, the men and women of God are under attack. As always, God has the last word. I went back and read up to this point. From what this poster said, Bishop Ellis just stated that the men and women of God are under attack. The statement didn't say "an attack of the enemy", simply "under attack". In fact, when you read in the bible, many leaders (I think of Moses and Jeremiah as standing out) were come against by people, it didn't say the devil. I don't use that to justify the particular person in question of this post, but just to make a point. People have a tendency to "attack" by remembering what a person has done and using it against them. People usually never forget, so many times when a person falls, people use what that person has done in the past to hinder or keep them down. How? Through what we say and even our actions toward the individual when a flaw appears. This just doesn't go for leaders but for people in general. While I agree with most of the posters that we will reap what we sow no matter how anointed we may be, it is possible for one to sow something and God not allow one to reap it. This is both an act of his mercy and lovingkindness. (There are also cases in which a person can sow what is spiritual and good and yet God not allow them to reap what they were expecting). There are times in the bible, that the Lord didn't recompense his people for their wrongdoing because of his covenant with their forefathers and because of his mercy. So if it's in God's sovereignty, at times, to not let people reap the error that they sow or in the full measure that they've sown, then the Devil can't prosper in the weapon he tries to bring against them. So, who's left to attack? Many times, it's the 'people of God' . If you ask me to show scripture to back up what I say, I'll challenge you, like the Bereans, to search the scripture to see if these things be true and also come to the realization of Christ's imputed righteousness upon you.  You reap what you sow. True! But is it the only truth in context of this post? I'll leave that up to you guys to decide. It is obvious that the people of God are not deceived anymore when it comes to leadership in the church. Perhaps, is there another deception emerging in this hour? |
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Post by jasmine nsi on Oct 30, 2005 12:24:03 GMT -5
Nikkol, Did you mean to post this on the other thread, that was concerning republic/democrat parties? Tthe pastor "in office" referring to whom?
ASWSOY:
I agree, it does not make what he did right, I also believe that he is not the only one. This is where I would "choose" to believe that it is out of pure ignorance to the tax laws. Granted, some are greedy, but for the most part..I believe they are ignorant to what the Law require for Churches.
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. So who side you are on 
? the media, internets, and the ungodly world or God 
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