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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 23, 2009 16:29:13 GMT -5
Sadly, a lot of stuff like this is borne out of unbiblical teaching about marriage in the first place. That's quite evident by the phrase, "God showed him I'm his wife," but I'm not messing with that again.
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 23, 2009 16:31:30 GMT -5
People dont like to hear this but the grounds for remarriage in the Bible are quite clear.. If the UNbelieving spouse depart then that person is not bound to that marriage.. And Death... The Bible never mentions desertion as grounds for remarriage. That's an argument made from silence based on a somewhat ambiguous scripture. |
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Post by keita on Oct 23, 2009 18:35:39 GMT -5
LOL@bro kb! Now see, making controversial (but, imho, nevertheless true) statments like that just might make it more difficult to keep our agreement of So staying focused... Whether or not this man and his mistress will ever be free to marry each other is, at the very least, debatable. That she is presently practicing the sin of adultery with the husband of her sister in Christ, is not. So, at this point, my counsel to this woman would be focused on that indisputable truth and her coming out of that sin... NOW. what I'd like to deal with, dealing with the same topic, is what would make a person believe that someone else's spouse would be theirs.... Could be something as simple as watching/hearing/believing a well-known "mand" of God like, for example, Clarence McClendon. But in a word, I would agree with all who have said that the problem is deception. Unfortunately, it seems that many, especially women, have somehow convinced themselves that living in the sin of adultery, is somehow justified before GOD by their "feelings" and the "intention" of marriage. Much like King David with Bathsheba,..... and still not so. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 23, 2009 22:02:30 GMT -5
OK, OK, I will play fair....but I couldn't resist, LOL.
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Post by kitty on Oct 24, 2009 13:42:20 GMT -5
Keita,
I agree... watching some of the strangeness that goes around can make some people get confused.... But MClendon isn't the only one... Bishop Noel Jones got folks duking it out in the parking lot over him.... He doesn't correct the women that come to him say that God declared him as their husband and has been found to be a big flirt... Which just causes more problems... Even worse... women all across the U.S. hike to California all the time under that delusion...
I think it would be great if we could deal with the fact that in a lot of churches there are several women running around claiming a man to be theirs... I wonder why they don't stop and wonder why God would "supposedly" be telling "so many women" that the mand of God/Preacher is their husband...
Oh and who can forget my most favorite crazy story... One that involved the Copelands...
It this case someone had a "hen party" and thought they could use the bible for witch craft! The story is that some group of women started having bible study in their homes. They decided that God would bring them the desire of their hearts...NO MATTER WHAT! So one woman declared that she wanted Kenneth Copeland to be her husband. She figured that in order for that to occur that Copeland's wife Gloria would have to die. So as crazy as it sounds...and it is indeed CRAZY.... this group of women would pray for Gloria Copeland's death!
I don't envy the life of a first lady ever! That's got to be tough!
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 25, 2009 16:12:35 GMT -5
Keita, I agree... watching some of the strangeness that goes around can make some people get confused.... But MClendon isn't the only one... Bishop Noel Jones got folks duking it out in the parking lot over him.... He doesn't correct the women that come to him say that God declared him as their husband and has been found to be a big flirt... Which just causes more problems... Even worse... women all across the U.S. hike to California all the time under that delusion...
I think it would be great if we could deal with the fact that in a lot of churches there are several women running around claiming a man to be theirs... I wonder why they don't stop and wonder why God would "supposedly" be telling "so many women" that the mand of God/Preacher is their husband... I don't know much about Bishop Jones... I didn't even know he was single... I quess I should move to California LOL... just joking. What can the man do? Call them all to the front of the church and rebuke them... will that change anything... these women are crazy, it won't stop them.... I am pretty sure he preach it (I am not the One) and had man other to come in and preach it.... Remember Carlton Pearson... Women showed up in his church with their webbing drown, all set to marry him... I believe they open themselve up to demonic spirits, a lying spirit that keep telling them lies. I heard a similar testimony by a couple in Atlanta.... And the wife almost die.... She shared her testimony how God revealed to her what was really going on through Apostle Bill Hemon.... There was an intercessor in her church who had a leadership position and was trusted by many. This woman was a close friend of her and did many things for her.... No one would never think this woman would do prophetess/firstlady any harm. This lady call a meeting with all the intercessors... and express her concern for the firstlady and that she was worry about... Because of her relationship with the pastor wife, they didn't question her and thought whatever it was ... was private. She instructed them to AGREE with her in prayer at a certain time everyday... they did not know she was praying for the firstlady to get sick and die, so shecan marry her husband and takeover the ministry, their beautiful house etc... The couple is very wealthy, they give thousands of dollar in grants away to help other ministries and church and small business loans. They were instructed to pray in tongues in agreement with this woman. The pastor wife begin to get weak and than sick.... she pray and asked the intercessors to pray, which they thought they were doing... She went to different doctors, specialists.... She became too sick to go to church... the good thing she had her spiritual father Dr. Hamon praying. He called her up and told her what the Lord had told him.... She was shock... She called her husband and told him to tell the members there would be a very important business meeting at the church that night and all the intercessors must attend.... She exposed that woman in front of the church.... They pray for the innocent intercessors who didn't know that they was operating in witchcrafts.... They didn't put the woman out the church, they set her down completely... But she left immediately on her own... People do not fear God and will do anything to get what they want... |
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 26, 2009 7:14:47 GMT -5
Keita, I agree... watching some of the strangeness that goes around can make some people get confused.... But MClendon isn't the only one... Bishop Noel Jones got folks duking it out in the parking lot over him.... He doesn't correct the women that come to him say that God declared him as their husband and has been found to be a big flirt... Which just causes more problems... Even worse... women all across the U.S. hike to California all the time under that delusion... I know i said no hijacking.....but based on this right here, that is part of the reason I believe pastor's should be married. LOL And my concern with that story about the intercessors is that in all of their interceeding, noone knew they were touching and agreeing with the wrong thing? Not to mention when you touch and agree with someone, don't you know or find out what you're touching and agreeing with? UGH!!! I just hijacked all over the place.... this is difficult. Ima try again to not hijack. LOL. |
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Post by kitty on Oct 26, 2009 9:55:13 GMT -5
Nikkol,
I agree... It is a good idea for Pastors to be married.
But getting back to the topic at hand... I think it can be easy for people to really get off track. I mean let's start with the fact that many people quietly go back to the old testament and see several examples of men who had more than one wife.
They ignore the new testament where it is stated that let every man and woman have his/her own spouse because it is not what they want to hear... Then we also have many stories going around that many consider to be "grey areas" testimonies like the one that Living posted in the singles section.
To summarize it... Basically a woman was given a prophesy many, many years ago that a particular ballplayer would be her husband. I'm not sure how she got the prophesy. But either way the guy wasn't a really serious Christian, dated her for a short time and then broke up with her. They went their separate ways and then at some point the Ballplayer got married. The woman in question went on with her life too and supposedly seriously questioned what she received about this man becoming her husband. They were out of contact for many years and then she ran into him again. At this point the man wife was seriously ill and for whatever reason, they struck up a "friendship" again. Then when the man's wife died they decided it was "more" to their relationship and then they eventually got married.
Now their story is being spread around as an example of God honoring His word no matter what.... I don't believe it is was God because for the woman to believe it while he was married would have caused her to be in sin... I don't think God "contradicts" His word or make "little" exceptions. But surely one can see how a story like this can encourage a woman to "believe" that God said that man is her husband inspite of the situation...
Kitty
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Oct 26, 2009 10:03:25 GMT -5
Dr. Betty Price, wife of well-known television minister Apostle Dr. Fred Price of the Ever Increasing Faith Ministry, gives voice and a unique perspective to the topic of adultery in the church--through the personal stories of some pastors' mistresses. Dr. Betty Price spoke candidly to ESSENCE.com on the taboo subject.By Dr. Betty Price As told to Terrance DeanIt was 20 years ago when I started receiving letters from women of various churches who were having illicit affairs with powerful married ministers. I was flabbergasted. Was this really happening in the church? I asked myself. Then my phone began ringing off the hook. I couldn't understand why these women were reaching out to me. I think it was because they saw my husband, Dr. Fred K. Price, and his televised preachings and were captivated by his message. Most recently I received two anonymous letters within a week apart. Both women shared their involvement with very high-profile men of God. As I read their letters I sensed their deep regret. They expressed how they never intended on being involved with a minister and each woman was desperately seeking a way out. The first letter was from an older, mature woman. She'd just bought a luxury condo but lost her government job after 25 years of service. Her self-esteem was very low. She didn't know what to do because she was financially strapped. And, she was older and didn't think she would be able to find another job in this economy. She reached out to her bishop for counseling. They began an affair. It's been going on for three years. The second woman was from a different church. She works on a committee in which she interacts with her pastor daily. They began spending long hours together. Then the affair began. Now, she is desperately trying to get out but doesn't know how. Both of these women said they know what they are doing is wrong but expressed they don't have the strength to leave. Both ministers have threatened and coerced these women. They told them, "If they stop the affair then they would be dishonoring God." However, both women expressed they were benefitting financially in the relationships. They were stuck. Unsure of what to do. After reading those two letters my daughter said I had to write a book. I wrote "Warning To Ministers, Their Wives and Mistresses" because I want to help young ministers. I don't want them to get caught up in the trappings their positions bring and make them go in a different direction than what God has planned for them. I also wrote this book for the many women who come to church specifically for the purpose of sleeping with the minister. In my book I share the many anonymous letters I receive from these women who are having affairs with their pastors. I think it's time this behavior is exposed. There are so many families being destroyed because of these women and men of God. With the book my hope is to help other first ladies and women who live right for God and do not have affairs with married men. I really want to bring this issue to the forefront because this secret is very harmful to the church. I want people to know that the inappropriate actions of some ministers do not happen in every church. Moreover, it was time for me to share my story and my experience.Years ago this woman came into mine and my husband's lives like a whirlwind. She called herself a prophet. Every day she told my husband she had a prophecy for him from God. At the time my husband was new to the ministry and he was very interested in hearing messages from God. This woman always needed to see him after church and preferred to talk with him alone. My woman's intuition kicked in. I recognized what she was up to because this woman always had a word of prophecy but nothing she ever said ever came to pass. My husband, however, was caught up. I knew he wasn't doing anything with her physically because I was taking care of him at home. But this woman was very charismatic. She even enlisted some of her friends to give prophecies to my husband. That's how desperate she was working to get to my husband. Repeatedly I would tell my husband she was not a prophet. I told him, "You're spending too much time with someone that is not your wife. It does not look good." But he couldn't see it. He would get upset with me whenever I would say something. I was very hurt by it because not only could he not see what she was doing, but I was his wife. He figured this woman was spiritual and of God. He said he did not have a lot of people to talk to. I told him to talk to God. At the time this woman was really overweight but then she started to lose the weight trying to get his attention. Then she started dressing like me. Finally, I had enough. I told my husband that I was not going to church with him anymore. I stayed home that Sunday. In all my years of attending church that was the only Sunday service I missed. I had to get my husband to see how serious it was for me. Most women would go after the other woman. I never did. I would never run after a woman. I tell women to go after him. If he doesn't listen to you and see what it's doing to you, then you leave. I was strong enough to go to him and express what it was doing to our marriage. Besides, I knew I was a good wife. If it would have kept up, I wouldn't have stayed in it. I would have left. When I didn't go to church he realized what he was doing and stopped talking with her. He cut it off and the woman finally left. They all leave when they can't get their way. In my situation it didn't go as far as him sleeping with another woman. I recognized something was wrong and I spoke up. My husband listened. However, it was enough for me to know that something could go further. It bothers me to know many ministers have mistresses sitting right up in the church. Their wives and children are subjected to public humiliation. Some ministers even have children with their mistresses and leave their wives. I've talked to a lot of women and they say that in all the churches they've attended the ministers have been unfaithful and run around. I personally know so many that it's scary. These women know what they are doing. Don't be fooled. I wrote my book because I want to expose these types of men, and women, who do this. I challenge ministers and their mistresses to ask themselves, where is God in your life? What is your commitment to God? Where is your conscience? They don't think of the consequences and devastation it causes their families, their wives, their children and the church. By Dr. Betty Price As told to Terrance Dean"Warning To Ministers, Their Wives and Mistresses" is available online at www.faithdome.org
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Oct 26, 2009 10:06:43 GMT -5
this is how a woman of God handles her business. this is how powerful a wife can be to her husbands ministry. what a helpmeet!!! i believe many wives know good and well what's going on and even see the signs in the beginning like dr. betty price did, but for many reasons they are afraid to step to their husbands because of fear that maybe they're wrong, he may think it's a lack of trust in him and self confidence in herself, would be perceived as jealousy or insecurity, of abandonment, having to maybe go back into the work force, and just plain old pride that everyone will know and maybe blame her. all those reasons are of course tricks of the enemy that keep her from saving her husband and saving her marriage and saving the other woman as well.
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 26, 2009 15:17:30 GMT -5
In some ways it dont matter one bit if a pastor is married. We have all heard stories of silly women who say GOD told them that so and so is going to be their husband and the man of GOD is already married..
Some of this stuff is just abject stupidity...
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 26, 2009 20:23:17 GMT -5
Why is it mostly the Married male pastors.... I know the single mess around too.... we don't hear too much about them....
I fault the men of God, who God put over the flock.... of course there will be silly women, but most of those women are not ministers of the Gospel and some are there on assignment by the enemy... They will not come if the doors are shut... The ball is in the Pastor's hand, he can choose to play with it and get burn or throw it away.... Sinners do what sinners do... But the Pastor know better.
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 26, 2009 21:24:48 GMT -5
Wow!! this is very interesting. This woman should end the relationship and move on with her life. Sometimes the very things that we know are off limits are the things we go for. Deception is very ugly and it's saddens me that she has been deceived..by false expectations. This happens in the body of Christ more than we are willing to admit..and sadly, some woman believe in their hearts that the wives don't know. Sadly, they must endure and live each day with a man that they know within is having an affair. Sadly, she was hooked when he said " God showed me".
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 26, 2009 21:28:43 GMT -5
To me is this a misuse and abuse of his spiritual authority..I wonder how many times she has tried to end it and he told her if she did.. she would be in disobedience? She should consider attending another church and allowing herself to be healed by the Lord and the truth of his word..
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 27, 2009 0:25:04 GMT -5
I heard a similar testimony by a couple in Atlanta.... And the wife almost die.... She shared her testimony how God revealed to her what was really going on through Apostle Bill Hemon.... There was an intercessor in her church who had a leadership position and was trusted by many. This woman was a close friend of her and did many things for her.... No one would never think this woman would do prophetess/firstlady any harm. This lady call a meeting with all the intercessors... and express her concern for the firstlady and that she was worry about... Because of her relationship with the pastor wife, they didn't question her and thought whatever it was ... was private. She instructed them to AGREE with her in prayer at a certain time everyday... they did not know she was praying for the firstlady to get sick and die, so shecan marry her husband and takeover the ministry, their beautiful house etc... The couple is very wealthy, they give thousands of dollar in grants away to help other ministries and church and small business loans. They were instructed to pray in tongues in agreement with this woman. The pastor wife begin to get weak and than sick.... she pray and asked the intercessors to pray, which they thought they were doing... She went to different doctors, specialists.... She became too sick to go to church... the good thing she had her spiritual father Dr. Hamon praying. He called her up and told her what the Lord had told him.... She was shock... She called her husband and told him to tell the members there would be a very important business meeting at the church that night and all the intercessors must attend.... She exposed that woman in front of the church.... They pray for the innocent intercessors who didn't know that they was operating in witchcrafts.... They didn't put the woman out the church, they set her down completely... But she left immediately on her own... People do not fear God and will do anything to get what they want... I think I'm missing something here. Is the implication that these other intercessors were somehow "aiding" the deceptive woman in her witchcraft aka imprecatory prayer ministry? |
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