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Post by Nikkol on Oct 27, 2009 8:31:03 GMT -5
Why is it mostly the Married male pastors.... I know the single mess around too.... we don't hear too much about them.... I fault the men of God, who God put over the flock.... of course there will be silly women, but most of those women are not ministers of the Gospel and some are there on assignment by the enemy... They will not come if the doors are shut... The ball is in the Pastor's hand, he can choose to play with it and get burn or throw it away.... Sinners do what sinners do... But the Pastor know better. What I think we must always be careful of is not putting those in leaders on such a higher pedestal than other ppl. Truth be told, as someone pointed out, you don't have to be saved to know that cheating on your spouse is wrong or that being the "other woman" is wrong. I mean, I remember when I was suppose to be in the church and just started college and ppl found out that I had sex for the first time with someone.....they told me "I thought you were a Christian". These women know they shouldn't be doing this. However, they are thinking of themselves and what "THEY" want and no matter how much things don't match up, some ppl will still see things their own way. (Side Note: I wonder if those that find themselves in that situation have the same personality type....ASWSOY, I know you'd like that....LOL) Even a child would know that that's wrong. Additionally, when all is said and done, each individual person will be held responsible for their OWN actions. Everyone knows better. But people will do what people want to do. And that includes this issue. |
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 27, 2009 8:35:48 GMT -5
To me is this a misuse and abuse of his spiritual authority..I wonder how many times she has tried to end it and he told her if she did.. she would be in disobedience? She should consider attending another church and allowing herself to be healed by the Lord and the truth of his word.. I think that the fact that she would actually stay based on that line is showing that their are deeper issues. Also, we could question if she REALLY wants to end it or that she wants an excuse of why she should stay? |
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 27, 2009 14:54:04 GMT -5
Why is it mostly the Married male pastors.... I know the single mess around too.... we don't hear too much about them.... I fault the men of God, who God put over the flock.... of course there will be silly women, but most of those women are not ministers of the Gospel and some are there on assignment by the enemy... They will not come if the doors are shut... The ball is in the Pastor's hand, he can choose to play with it and get burn or throw it away.... Sinners do what sinners do... But the Pastor know better. What I think we must always be careful of is not putting those in leaders on such a higher pedestal than other ppl. Truth be told, as someone pointed out, you don't have to be saved to know that cheating on your spouse is wrong or that being the "other woman" is wrong. I mean, I remember when I was suppose to be in the church and just started college and ppl found out that I had sex for the first time with someone.....they told me "I thought you were a Christian". These women know they shouldn't be doing this. However, they are thinking of themselves and what "THEY" want and no matter how much things don't match up, some ppl will still see things their own way. (Side Note: I wonder if those that find themselves in that situation have the same personality type....ASWSOY, I know you'd like that....LOL) Even a child would know that that's wrong. Additionally, when all is said and done, each individual person will be held responsible for their OWN actions. Everyone knows better. But people will do what people want to do. And that includes this issue. I never say the women didn't know they are worng.... They know they're dead wrong, but most don't care.... I had a friend that I cut loose... she was after every male pastor, married or single she can get her hand on (she supposed to be saved, spiritfilled)... I also saw pastors making passes at her... I know of one pastor help another friend out in a situation, she thanks him and say how she appreciated the help, but he wanted more.... he wanted sex.... He came around to her office talking about how she used him ...blah blah... whining... The man is married! he is pastoring! and have children! He went to court to testify on my friend behalf and it kept her out of jail! We went to a appreciation service, he sitting up friont with his wife, like he such a delicated husband. The reason I said the ball is in the Pastor's hand... God has place them in position to lead,... of course they are not perfect and will mistakes, but they can avoid falling into a trap just by using basic wisdom. They know the enemy will try every trick in the book to get them to fall. Some pastors make passes at these women, they open the doors to this foolishness. The other play dumb... like they don't know what woman is trying to do... I told my former employer, which is also a pastor.... I can't stand weak men... they fall all the time... He don't commit adultry, but he flirt and always have women up in his face.... I have been knowing him for 20 years... that the way he is.... He been married for over 20 years... his wife hate it... if she say something, she jealous, insecured etc.... |
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 27, 2009 15:13:42 GMT -5
I heard a similar testimony by a couple in Atlanta.... And the wife almost die.... She shared her testimony how God revealed to her what was really going on through Apostle Bill Hemon.... There was an intercessor in her church who had a leadership position and was trusted by many. This woman was a close friend of her and did many things for her.... No one would never think this woman would do prophetess/firstlady any harm. This lady call a meeting with all the intercessors... and express her concern for the firstlady and that she was worry about... Because of her relationship with the pastor wife, they didn't question her and thought whatever it was ... was private. She instructed them to AGREE with her in prayer at a certain time everyday... they did not know she was praying for the firstlady to get sick and die, so shecan marry her husband and takeover the ministry, their beautiful house etc... The couple is very wealthy, they give thousands of dollar in grants away to help other ministries and church and small business loans. They were instructed to pray in tongues in agreement with this woman. The pastor wife begin to get weak and than sick.... she pray and asked the intercessors to pray, which they thought they were doing... She went to different doctors, specialists.... She became too sick to go to church... the good thing she had her spiritual father Dr. Hamon praying. He called her up and told her what the Lord had told him.... She was shock... She called her husband and told him to tell the members there would be a very important business meeting at the church that night and all the intercessors must attend.... She exposed that woman in front of the church.... They pray for the innocent intercessors who didn't know that they was operating in witchcrafts.... They didn't put the woman out the church, they set her down completely... But she left immediately on her own... People do not fear God and will do anything to get what they want... I think I'm missing something here. Is the implication that these other intercessors were somehow "aiding" the deceptive woman in her witchcraft aka imprecatory prayer ministry? Yes... The woman was a elder and hold an high position in the church.... she was directing them.... This is a prophetic ministry under Bill Hamon.... highly anointed.... it happen when the church was at an infant level (not sure, but it wasn't matural yet)... Many time we don't discern those that are trusted by the leader. Many leaders don't see ppl that are very close to them for who they are.... The intercessors were deceived.... I can't explain how, but they trusted the woman. They prayed in tongues, without knowing exactly what they were praying for.... That why I hate when ppl pick up the mic to lead in prayer, start speaking in tongues... tell me what I am agreeing with first... I don't particapant... |
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 27, 2009 22:18:21 GMT -5
^I'm not understanding. How can you be praying TO GOD for the death of one of His children and don't know it? And on the flip side, by her getting sick, does that mean that God was "answering" their prayers? None of this sounds biblical to me. Perhaps that elder was doing her black magic, but I don't believe that the intercessors were guilty and actually praying to God for her death.
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 28, 2009 7:14:49 GMT -5
What I think we must always be careful of is not putting those in leaders on such a higher pedestal than other ppl. Truth be told, as someone pointed out, you don't have to be saved to know that cheating on your spouse is wrong or that being the "other woman" is wrong. I mean, I remember when I was suppose to be in the church and just started college and ppl found out that I had sex for the first time with someone.....they told me "I thought you were a Christian". These women know they shouldn't be doing this. However, they are thinking of themselves and what "THEY" want and no matter how much things don't match up, some ppl will still see things their own way. (Side Note: I wonder if those that find themselves in that situation have the same personality type....ASWSOY, I know you'd like that....LOL) Even a child would know that that's wrong. Additionally, when all is said and done, each individual person will be held responsible for their OWN actions. Everyone knows better. But people will do what people want to do. And that includes this issue. I never say the women didn't know they are worng.... They know they're dead wrong, but most don't care.... I had a friend that I cut loose... she was after every male pastor, married or single she can get her hand on (she supposed to be saved, spiritfilled)... I also saw pastors making passes at her... I know of one pastor help another friend out in a situation, she thanks him and say how she appreciated the help, but he wanted more.... he wanted sex.... He came around to her office talking about how she used him ...blah blah... whining... The man is married! he is pastoring! and have children! He went to court to testify on my friend behalf and it kept her out of jail! We went to a appreciation service, he sitting up friont with his wife, like he such a delicated husband. The reason I said the ball is in the Pastor's hand... God has place them in position to lead,... of course they are not perfect and will mistakes, but they can avoid falling into a trap just by using basic wisdom. They know the enemy will try every trick in the book to get them to fall. Some pastors make passes at these women, they open the doors to this foolishness. The other play dumb... like they don't know what woman is trying to do... I told my former employer, which is also a pastor.... I can't stand weak men... they fall all the time... He don't commit adultry, but he flirt and always have women up in his face.... I have been knowing him for 20 years... that the way he is.... He been married for over 20 years... his wife hate it... if she say something, she jealous, insecured etc.... The part in bold is what stands out because truth be told, that's the same basic wisdom that these women should be using as well. I personally don't fault the pastor more than the "other person". In my book, they're BOTH as wrong and they BOTH should know better. Which you did indicate in your first paragraph....they know it's wrong but they don't care. I think that as a pastor's wife, I get tired of hearing ppl just down the pastor/those in leadership and the other person is seen as an innocent victim. Both ppl are guilty. Both ppl should've stayed to their own. Granted, maybe the fact that my husband doesn't have women all in his face and any counselling we do is usually corporate or I solely talk to the women makes it more difficult for me to understand how the blame can be moreso "one-sided". When all is said and done, they both need to be restored.... |
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 28, 2009 7:19:50 GMT -5
^I'm not understanding. How can you be praying TO GOD for the death of one of His children and don't know it? And on the flip side, by her getting sick, does that mean that God was "answering" their prayers? None of this sounds biblical to me. Perhaps that elder was doing her black magic, but I don't believe that the intercessors were guilty and actually praying to God for her death. I agree with KRAZEE. First of all, when a person speaks in tongues, I thought that that was based on the unction of the holy spirit...so how are they speaking in tongues and it be praying that the wife gets sick. I don't think that's biblical. She was either working by herself or with others that personally had the same wish. We agree with what the spirit is saying. And we know that even the devil can speak in tongues.....however, I'm glad that you can "hear" the difference between when tongues are of God and when they aren't. "Prophetic ministry" or not....from the story you're telling, I would think that it may sound better to say they were all praying but didn't know what they were praying than to say they had someone operating under the spirit of witchcraft and neither the leaders or the intercessors knew it... |
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 28, 2009 7:56:04 GMT -5
I'll just say this because I am a little tired of the " drama " topics myself..
It takes two to tango..
The men of GOD are absoutely flat out WRONG for their behanviour and they will be accountable to GOD for their actions.
However one of the reasons they are able to get away with it so much is because there are women who are MORE than WILLING to become.... The other woman...
As Nikkol said..
BOTH are Wrong and BOTH need to be restored.
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 28, 2009 9:31:45 GMT -5
^I'm not understanding. How can you be praying TO GOD for the death of one of His children and don't know it? And on the flip side, by her getting sick, does that mean that God was "answering" their prayers? None of this sounds biblical to me. Perhaps that elder was doing her black magic, but I don't believe that the intercessors were guilty and actually praying to God for her death. I don't really understand neither... It's not my testimony... all I know is that the ministry is now highly anointed.... PPL learn from there mistakes and grow... there must have been a door open for her to get sick... I believe the elder was doing black magic.... she was a witch.... We had a witch in my church. She push her way to be real close to the pastor and apostle... Nobody could tell the pastor this woman was wicked, cause she will get mad and defend her... I had a dream about this woman way before she came to the church, but I was new to prophetic dream. I knew she will push her way into the intercessory ministry and the administration. I did not recognize her when she came to the church, because she didn't look exactly like the person in the dream.... This woman caused many to leave the church, I witness her praying again ppl... I stop going to evening prayer, cause I did want to pray with her and hate being in her present. I couldn't tell the pastor or apostle... cause this woman shop for them, cook for them, take their clothes to the cleaners and was always in their face.... My apostle begin to discern her, but it was too late... the ministry was already divided and too many was taken in by her.... All I know these things can happen.... but I don't understand why God allow it. It always take a person from the outside to see... I think because apostle travel alot... she have ministries and churches oversea... her eyes were open when she return... but she put too much into the pastor's hand and it was too late. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 29, 2009 7:37:18 GMT -5
^I'm not understanding. How can you be praying TO GOD for the death of one of His children and don't know it? And on the flip side, by her getting sick, does that mean that God was "answering" their prayers? None of this sounds biblical to me. Perhaps that elder was doing her black magic, but I don't believe that the intercessors were guilty and actually praying to God for her death. I agree with KRAZEE. First of all, when a person speaks in tongues, I thought that that was based on the unction of the holy spirit...so how are they speaking in tongues and it be praying that the wife gets sick. I don't think that's biblical. She was either working by herself or with others that personally had the same wish. We agree with what the spirit is saying. And we know that even the devil can speak in tongues.....however, I'm glad that you can "hear" the difference between when tongues are of God and when they aren't. "Prophetic ministry" or not....from the story you're telling, I would think that it may sound better to say they were all praying but didn't know what they were praying than to say they had someone operating under the spirit of witchcraft and neither the leaders or the intercessors knew it... Nikkol you woud be surprised to know that many leaders and intercessor fall victim to witchcraft and demonic influences. I have seen it up close and person in several ministries. |
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 30, 2009 14:46:59 GMT -5
There are many women who are caught up with their Pastor's and really cannot leave these men alone, because one the men play on their minds and use the Bible as their number one weapon.....
As a young lady in the church I was told by Pastor's on several occasions that going out with them wouldn't be wrong and that most "anointed" people struggle in the area of their flesh (blah, blah, blah).....
One Pastor told me that I should be honored to be with him; because he wasn't so attracted to me physically but he was attracted to "my anointing" and that it was the "anointing" that it was destined for us to be in a relationship with each other.....
I was invited to spend the night at a Pastor's house with his wife in the house; (now mind you this is the same Pastor that was so attracted to my anointing) of course this happened when like 19, I was in college........but my point is the wife had to have known that this kind of foolishness was going on up in her house.....
So yes this does happen and it happens more than people know..... What really bothers me is when the Pastor's get these girl when they are teenagers and mess them up for life.....
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 30, 2009 15:01:50 GMT -5
Nikkol, I agree... It is a good idea for Pastors to be married. But getting back to the topic at hand... I think it can be easy for people to really get off track. I mean let's start with the fact that many people quietly go back to the old testament and see several examples of men who had more than one wife. They ignore the new testament where it is stated that let every man and woman have his/her own spouse because it is not what they want to hear... Then we also have many stories going around that many consider to be "grey areas" testimonies like the one that Living posted in the singles section. To summarize it... Basically a woman was given a prophesy many, many years ago that a particular ballplayer would be her husband. I'm not sure how she got the prophesy. But either way the guy wasn't a really serious Christian, dated her for a short time and then broke up with her. They went their separate ways and then at some point the Ballplayer got married. The woman in question went on with her life too and supposedly seriously questioned what she received about this man becoming her husband. They were out of contact for many years and then she ran into him again. At this point the man wife was seriously ill and for whatever reason, they struck up a "friendship" again. Then when the man's wife died they decided it was "more" to their relationship and then they eventually got married. Now their story is being spread around as an example of God honoring His word no matter what.... I don't believe it is was God because for the woman to believe it while he was married would have caused her to be in sin... I don't think God "contradicts" His word or make "little" exceptions. But surely one can see how a story like this can encourage a woman to "believe" that God said that man is her husband inspite of the situation... Kitty Kitty, I really don't understand WHY that story bothers you so much..... but to bring truth and clarity to the story the woman NEVER DATED the man while he was married.......they ran into each other talked like human being do when we communicate....only to find out that his wife was ill..... this lady prayed with him for the restoration of his wife..... God said different and the wife passed away..............Now at that point all parties involved where free to marry and this lady never slept with this man while he was married or did anything besides being a friend to him...... The point of the story is that God gave a word to this person long ago and neither she nor her husband adhered to the word of God at that particular time.....they separated and lived two totally different lives.Have you never heard of people rekindling relationships with their "high school sweethearts" after 40 and 50 years of marriage.. after the spouses die the two people will reconnect and say I have loved so and so all of my life..... I have heard of older couples remarrying after spouses pass on and this is exactly what they say.... Of course this happens more in the white community than ours.......... |
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 31, 2009 12:09:31 GMT -5
Yes...and does it happen!! I had to let somebody when they were praying crazy stuff over me..in a way that don't implicate anyone; but, in a way that let it be known I knew.
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