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Post by lanl ns on Feb 8, 2006 10:18:27 GMT -5
The only thing that stands out to me regarding her is her stand on alternative lifestyle..... besides being the wife of MLK, and a member of a church, she put that in the same level as race.... couldn't believe it.... Nikkol, i find this interesting but if you research the HISTORY of the Civil Rights movement the "actual" leader who gave MLK many of his thoughts and ideas concenrning the Civil Rights movement was an "out of the closet Homosexual Black man who lived in NY with his lover a white man?"  I can't think of his name right now and I will get back and post his information as I do a google search ;D  So it does not shock me that she would equate alternative lifestyle to the struggle.......... |
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Post by lanl ns on Feb 8, 2006 10:24:05 GMT -5
Socially our problems will be solved if all these churches and ministers, black business empires and all the privileges that the pulling down of segregation has brought us opened their coffers and used the public voices that God has given them to get involved in decision and policy making. The last i heard even H bLack colleges were shutting down due to lack of funds as we continue to compete who has the best mtv crib -The problem is we have too much today-we can live not doing anything and not making a difference and get by especially those of us who call ourselves children of God. How many of us claim to know Him and yet since we got saved we have made no valid contribution to society in any shape or form talking about we waiting on revival. What are you who is reading this post doing? Bee in regards to what those on the BB are doing, i put a charge out last week to ALL on this BB to rally up the churches in their communities to give back to these HBCU who are dying.....our colleges and universities are suffering and yet no one wants to talk about that. As far as to what I am doing, I am organizing the churches in my area to commit $1MILLION to HBCU within our geographical area by the end of 2006......... anyone on the BB can do the same thing, I urge each and everyone of you to call UNCF, contact the local HBCU in your area and if your are an alumnus of any HBCU please please please please please GIVE BACK!!!!! |
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Post by Bee on Feb 8, 2006 10:26:47 GMT -5
Did she ever declare herself to be a 'voice to the church'? We need to be careful that we are not imposing standards on people that they never claimed for themselves. If one wants to question how an individual christian can still believe in an alternative lifestyle that is one issue. I dont believe Coretta ever said that she was picking up her husband's mantle or that she was going to be God's voice to black american christians. If we feel that these folks never did anything for us then MLK just should never have bothered.# The failure is on us as a corporate body and as a race to not come into the realisation that God uses people or movements to open doors and not to absolve personal responsibility. Moses was used by God to lead Israel out of Egypt but when they stepped over the borders they were still responsible for walking that desert and their propagation as a people who had been entrusted with freedom. If Moses was meant to be their problem solver then we would never have had God killing folks left right and centre even with Moses present. If all our leaders were still alive the struggle will have continued to be there the same way because one man is not meant to be the solution, the thinker and the solver and perhaps that is why God allows people to die quickly so our dependency continues to be on Him. Then again i personally believe that nearly all black people in the diaspora should all be packed up for a hiatus in africa-i think that would bring the world into more perspective  |
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Post by Bee on Feb 8, 2006 10:35:50 GMT -5
Well done lanl-we were posting at the same time.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 8, 2006 11:50:19 GMT -5
Yes, I wrote preach. I have not followed anything that Coretta Scott King has done..why? Did she do anything, or rather What did she do? This is not to discredit her for any accomplishments that she has achieved, that I am unaware of..so somebody please tell me what did she do? She was MLKjr's Wife. Who probally worked tirelessly to make sure that her husband was remembered for his deeds. Im not looking at her as a voice for the saints, as bee has posted who said she was to carry on the mantle for her husband? I personally don't look to any "civil rights leaders" as the voice for the saints. We have our own voice. A voice that we don't use, and 9/10 church people don't even get involved in politics, until it has something to do with gay rights, or abortion. then we want to bombard the city and let our voice be heard. If im wrong..grace me with your voice? Giants, That is absolutely correct. So do you die for the cause, or do you continue hold back knowing that the information you possess can change someone's life? |
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Post by lanl ns on Feb 8, 2006 12:13:50 GMT -5
The only thing that stands out to me regarding her is her stand on alternative lifestyle..... besides being the wife of MLK, and a member of a church, she put that in the same level as race.... couldn't believe it.... Nikkol, i find this interesting but if you research the HISTORY of the Civil Rights movement the "actual" leader who gave MLK many of his thoughts and ideas concerning the Civil Rights movement was an "out of the closet Homosexual Black man who lived in NY with his lover a white man?" I can't think of his name right now and I will get back and post his information as I do a google search ;D So it does not shock me that she would equate alternative lifestyle to the struggle.......... Nikkol his name was Bayard Rustin and I believe this man organized the march on Washington and assisted Dr. King with the "I Have a Dream Speech"..... and was very prominent, powerful behind the scene worker during the civil rights movement...... If I am not mistaken, I believe the Civil Rights movement was this man's idea handed over to MLK because of his status an of course this man was "openly" gay during the 50's and 60's which was a NO NO........ |
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Post by MsKayLander on Feb 8, 2006 12:32:19 GMT -5
actually, he came on the scene after the movement began.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 8, 2006 12:53:25 GMT -5
A master strategist and tireless activist, Bayard Rustin is best remembered as the organizer of the 1963 March on Washington, one of the largest nonviolent protests ever held in the United States. He brought Gandhi’s protest techniques to the American civil rights movement, and helped mold Martin Luther King, Jr. into an international symbol of peace and nonviolence. Despite these achievements, Rustin was silenced, threatened, arrested, beaten, imprisoned and fired from important leadership positions, largely because he was an openly gay man in a fiercely homophobic era. Five years in the making and the winner of numerous awards, BROTHER OUTSIDER presents a feature-length documentary portrait, focusing on Rustin’s activism for peace, racial equality, economic justice and human rights. www.rustin.org/about.html |
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Post by ATT on Feb 8, 2006 13:11:22 GMT -5
We don't really know what people are doing or have done...... Just because we don't see a great big headline in the Newspaper, TV and magazines, don't mean MLK family they are/did nothing to carry out the dream. Mrs. King probably have done a lot and choose to stay out of the spot light and live a quite private with her children. Martin III and Yolanda do alot, but not in the spotlight.
As Bee said, we are responsible for ourselves to make it to the promised.
What type of impact we are looking for........... Many of us are able to go to colleges/universities of our choice. Many Black are successful in their career. We just have to look beyond our little surrounding and major black cities.
ATT
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 8, 2006 13:22:44 GMT -5
We don't really know what people are doing or have done...... Just because we don't see a great big headline in the Newspaper, TV and magazines, don't mean MLK family they are/did nothing to carry out the dream. Mrs. King probably have done a lot and choose to stay out of the spot light and live a quite private with her children. Martin III and Yolanda do alot, but not in the spotlight. As Bee said, we are responsible for ourselves to make it to the promised. What type of impact we are looking for........... Many of us are able to go to colleges/universities of our choice. Many Black are successful in their career. We just have to look beyond our little surrounding and major black cities. ATT If i could say it without having a nonchalant attitude, I personally and honestly don't look for anything from any civil activist leader. Granted we have had many successors pave the way for us, and for that yes we must be grateful, but how many of us REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY follow civil activists? When Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton gets us to speak about certain issues do you listen, excitedly, or do you say "here we go"? I personally dont understand what all the big fuss is about. I only know coretta scott king name, because she was married to Martin luther king, Jr. Maybe thats a lack on my part, but I haven't completely missed out either. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Feb 8, 2006 13:46:11 GMT -5
Mexican Clinic Where King Died Is Closed
By Michael Muskal, Times Staff WriterThe Mexican hospital where Coretta Scott King spent her last hours has been closed, a U.S. Embassy official in Mexico City confirmed this morning. The Santa Monica Health Institute, 16 miles south of San Diego in Rosarito, was closed by Mexican authorities, Judith Bryan, a spokeswoman for the embassy said in a telephone interview. U.S. consular officials were helping relocate American patients, she said. No reason for the closure was immediately available. The U.S. consulate in Tijuana has been helping repatriate the about 20 patients at the facility, consulate spokeswoman Liza Davis said in a telephone interview. The consulate has not received a list of charges, she said. Mexican authorities have closed a number of rehabilitation and behavioral centers in the past year or so, Davis said. A person reached at the facility's phone number in San Diego said no one would be available to comment. According to its web site, the clinic was founded Dr. Kurt W. Donsbach, in 1983, and "is based on a very eclectic approach to the treatment of chronic degenerative disease, diseases by and large considered incurable by the orthodox medical profession." Santa Monica says it "has treated thousands of patients with an alternative, holistic approach to the treatment of cancer, cardiovascular disease, candidiasis, diabetes, hepatitis C, arthritis, multiple sclerosis and other auto-immune diseases; as well as, offering programs for weight loss, detoxification, rejuvenation and life-extension." Its major clientele is cancer patients, like King who was suffering from advanced-stage ovarian cancer when she arrived. King died early Tuesday at 78. "She came here with half her body paralyzed," Dr. Rafael Cedeno, the doctor who was overseeing her case in Mexico, told reporters after King's death. "She was in really bad condition." Mexico has been more friendly than the U.S. to the practice of holistic medicine and alternative therapies. Some groups have accused such clinics of quackery and the Mexican government has periodically closed some facilities.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Feb 8, 2006 13:54:25 GMT -5
Mexican Clinic Where King Died Is Closed MEXICO CITY - The Mexican clinic where Coretta Scott King died has been closed, U.S. Embassy officials said Friday. Mexican officials weren't immediately available to explain why the clinic was shut. But Judith Bryan, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City, said the U.S. consulate in Tijuana was helping patients find new facilities. The consulate's spokeswoman, Liza Davis, said 20 American patients were at the clinic when it was closed Thursday. Mexican authorities gave the Americans three days to leave the country. "None of them were in serious enough condition that we had to get them back in an ambulance," Davis said. "Lots of them had family with them or means to get back on their own. Those that don't, we'll be working with them, and the hospital will be helping them as well." King traveled last week to the beachside Santa Monica Health Institute in the Mexican beach resort of Rosarito, 15 miles south of San Diego. She was seeking treatment for advanced-stage ovarian cancer and a stroke she suffered several months ago. King's children have said she died there Monday night, although a spokeswoman for the U.S. consulate in Tijuana has said King died early Tuesday. The clinic specializes in alternative treatments for patients with incurable illnesses. Its founder and director, Kurt W. Donsbach, has a criminal past and a reputation for offering dubious treatments to desperately ill patients, according to court records and a watchdog group. However, the clinic doctors assigned to King's case said she arrived in poor health and they couldn't even begin to treat her before she died early this week. "She came here with half her body paralyzed," Dr. Rafael Cedeno, who was overseeing her case, told reporters after King's death. "She was in really bad condition." King's death raised questions about the safety of alternative medical clinics across Mexico, many of which aren't closely regulated. It was unclear if Donsbach's past had anything to do with the closing of the Santa Monica clinic. In 1997, Donsbach was sentenced in federal court in San Diego to a year in prison for smuggling more than $250,000 worth of unapproved drugs into the United States from Mexico, according to court records. Donsbach was sentenced on three felony counts, including introducing unapproved drugs into interstate commerce, smuggling merchandise contrary to law and income tax evasion. In 1988, the U.S. Postal Service ordered Donsbach and his nephew to stop claiming that a solution of hydrogen peroxide that they sell could prevent cancer and ease arthritis pain. A woman who answered the phone at the clinic's corporate offices in San Diego said she had no information on the closure of the Rosarito clinic. Identifying herself only by her first name, Maria, she said she did not know where Donsbach was and there was no one else available to comment. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution first reported the clinic's closure in Friday's editions
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 8, 2006 14:23:42 GMT -5
This may seem like a stupid question..... but why the emphasis on giving money to particular schools (HBCU) rather than giving money to individuals to go to the school of their choice whether it be an HBCU or anything else?
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Feb 8, 2006 16:13:09 GMT -5
This may seem like a stupid question..... but why the emphasis on giving money to particular schools (HBCU) rather than giving money to individuals to go to the school of their choice whether it be an HBCU or anything else? Good question, IMO. |
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 8, 2006 16:40:29 GMT -5
I think thats a good question as well.
I would particularly think that such entities like UNCF, will help a deserving student go to any college of their choice. There are specific grants given to students who want to attend a black college, but unless you specifically apply for such grant, any grant given or financial assistance given the individual has a choice.
ASWSOF,
Do they think there was some type of foul play in her death?
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