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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 28, 2007 5:25:46 GMT -5
Also, although I don't recall Juanita taking a text during the message "The Process" (popularly known as "No More Sheets"), as a student of the Word, I instantly recognized the biblical basis of her message:
"Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, 'The two will become one flesh.' But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body." (1 Cor. 6:15-20)
The vast majority of what she preached that night lined up perfectly with that passage.
I have seen one thing across the board that I really don't like ever since the incident with Weeks happened, and it's that all of her past actions are being scrutinized (and many times, the scrutinization is WAY off base) in the light of that incident and what we think (with or without good reason) happened leading up to it. This isn't to say that SOME things aren't connected to that, but not every last one. I'm an old head from the JB bulletin board, and I honestly cannot recall anyone questioning the biblical basis for "No More Sheets" in the old days, but all of a sudden we're having "revelations" now? I don't get that.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Sept 28, 2007 6:20:24 GMT -5
I was blessed by No More Sheets also. When I first listened to it I was saved for only a few years but the "temptations" I had were great so I would listen to her every night before I went to bed. It really helped. I never took it as a sermon however the "testimony" was a great encouragement for me.
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 28, 2007 7:15:58 GMT -5
KB do not get me wrong as ASWSOY stated "No More Sheets was a testimony more than a message.......
I initially mentioned No More Sheets and other messages JB has preached and in retrospect (I am talking about ME ONLY) those messages, testimonies or whatever they were connected me to JB because of the carnal situations I was in......those were groundbreaking messages and JB delivery was grounbreaking........
However as I begin to grow and study the Word for myself I didn't need all the cliches and in your face style of preaching I wanted more of Jesus and less of personal testimonies......
Birthing out a husband is incorrect I don't care how technical we try to break it down.....because first of all, according to Genesis Woman (wife) came out of man therefore a woman could never birth out a Husband............. a Husband has to be made by God..........
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 28, 2007 7:19:37 GMT -5
I'm an old head from the JB bulletin board, and I honestly cannot recall anyone questioning the biblical basis for "No More Sheets" in the old days, but all of a sudden we're having "revelations" now? I don't get that. Maybe we hadn't grown at that point on the old JB bullentin board........ |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 28, 2007 7:23:13 GMT -5
I was blessed by No More Sheets also. When I first listened to it I was saved for only a few years but the "temptations" I had were great so I would listen to her every night before I went to bed. It really helped. I never took it as a sermon however the "testimony" was a great encouragement for me. I can see that; a testimony. Honestly, I just hopped on the band wagon back then... everyone else liked her so I just joined in. (Thanks God I don't do that anymore and am comfortable now saying that I don't really care much for certain preachers. |
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 28, 2007 7:48:46 GMT -5
Oh yes krazee i was actually going to make mention on the other post that i have no problem with juanita's past and i dont feel it is necessary to dissect it.
I believe she is genuinely called and has been raised up by God and i believe that she can and will go further if she abides in God and stops some of the hishhash that has been dogging her the last few years.
No more sheets did not apply to me but i did get the basis of her message and also other messages like will the real woman of God stand up which was wisdom but i have always been blessed by her messages on consecration and holiness.
I also believe that she grew in her prophetic call and I have been blessed with her teaching gifts like The Room etc-matter of fact I have nearly her entire back library from back in the day and I remember watching ‘The Church on a Rocking Oxen and just being so broken by the lord. There are times when she preaches and there are times when she teaches.
She carries the presence of the father in a very unusual way which is rare in ministries today and has a mantle to call forth righteousness -i was also very happy that a black woman carrying a prophetic ministry and who can be a little eccentric had been raised up by God regardless of where she came.
I also thought and hoped that her best years were ahead of her and did not see why as she kept serving God that she should not have an even bigger worldwide ministry like Kathryn Kuhlman.
I do believe that the enemy tries to attack people of destiny in their mind. As someone who was plagued in my mind and suffered from very chronic depression, suicide attempts etc I can tell u that it is not a walk in the park.
both she and Paula have an awesome testimony and is so remniscient of God to take brokeness and messed up lives and turn them into public displays of His grace before a watching world. But this is esactly what should keep us humble but at the moment and correct me if i am wrong it would seem that some partial amnesia could be at stake.
The higher u go in Christ the lower u become. Paula White was leading hundreds of thousands to the lord straight out of the trailer park and bynum straight from the sheets. U never arrive. U never cease to be that person who would have died had it not been the lord no matter how much finery we get on.
One thing that is exasperating is to see folks behave as if they have arrived when there is so much that the lord has for us. This is the time that their ministries and outreaches and messages of brokenness should go forth even more because of the wider platform that they have been given not this plaguing of scandals both financially and personally and it is grieving.
Jesus made a clear statement that it was for His name sake that we shd be persecuted. We as believers shd be persecuted for the message of no compromise and righteousness that we preach not money and not shadiness. There should not be a hint of that among us according to the word of God-we shd be hated for the fact that we are preaching Christ.
I love autobiographies of great women of God from Maria Etter to Jackie Pullinger to No More Sheets however the problem that I have with Nichols biography was not the testimony it seems to espoused some very unsound doctrine which seemedf to be coming from a place that I am not quiet sure where.
As awesome as our testimonies may be I can only speak for myself that I am the one who got myself into some of those messes. It wasn’t God. I got myself into them and by His grace He rescued me so to use that as a measuring line for the birthing of someone is rather rather.
The prophetic call is an unusual one and part of its journey includes the Lord taking that individual through a very unique path which in infancy may come across as rebellion until the person fully accepts the call and yields themselves to the Lord.
No one can judge anyone on their past because we are all trophies of grace and all that matters is a new creation.
On a side note as well: I do believe that most creative people have tendencies and actions that in the natural can be interpreted as bipolar lol ;D ;D
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Post by MsKayLander on Sept 28, 2007 7:53:57 GMT -5
BEAUTIFUL POST Sister Bee!!!!
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 28, 2007 7:58:56 GMT -5
To Jesus be the glory!  |
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 28, 2007 9:02:09 GMT -5
Let me clear up something I am in no way pulling down or tearing down JB her ministry has greatly impacted my life….however again for me as I have grown and continue to grow the ministry JB has is not that appealing to me……
I can’t speak for anyone else but I am not into the me ministries……as much as I love Paula her testimony is great but it does not appeal to me and I really can’t get into Joyce Meyers because I can not identify with the “child abuse ministry†….……. I couldn’t get into Jakes with the woman thou art loosed because I couldn’t identify with the Pimp, prostitute, abuse, prison living lifestyle……..
However, I understood the trial of a young lady “whoring†around in the church getting paid and JB appealed to that area of my life……I have stated earlier the appeal was to the carnal situations I had placed myself in and here is a sister with a platform understanding where I am…….
..but now I see that it is not about that for me….it is about Jesus and Jesus only………
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Sept 28, 2007 9:06:48 GMT -5
Amen Sis. Bee, Amen!
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 28, 2007 10:02:11 GMT -5
Now Sista Bee, you already know that just like you and a whole lot of us here... I will go there, lol! And I'm going there again with this: Could very well be the case, my sister... Could very well be. Hmmmmmm...  Perhaps we should discuss that possibility.  Sis Anointed may have touched on something....as I was driving home it occurred to me the growth that I am witnessing on this BB from the days of the old JB board......... I was enlightened by Sis. Nikkol statement that No More Sheets did not have a scripture base.....JB get up take the mic and start talking about how the message from Noel Jones has prompted her to tell her story......and she didn't want to tell it.........and the message takes off from there....... In all truth I wasn't convicted to come to Jesus during that message...... I was moved because there was a sister out there with a platform who understood what I was going through....and at that time I was playing church yet sleeping around and was getting handsomely rewarded (materially)........ People can preach on a subject or testimony that is scripture based, another line up with the Word. Most of her congregation are churched ppl. She touched you with her testimony.... she planted seed that would later manifest. When you saw a red light... how did you react? Did you stand in the gap for her. People slip away from Christ, not even realizing they are slipping away. People who are around them all the time can't see because it is not an over night fall. But those who not around them much and don't see them often, can see. As watchmen, we can interceed and broke the power of darkness over their life. JB spiritual mother did not share the part that recorded in "No More Sheet" JB said that a deacon from her church found her walking in the middle of the street in the snow barefooted with jean and t-shirt no coat.  She was put into a mental institution. Her natural mother sent for her and someone to drove her home. She said what should have taken a 3 hours drive, ended up being 13 hours, because she kept jumping out of the car. When she got home, her mother had to lock her in the bedroom, because she would not keep clothes on her. Mother Bynum prayer is what brought her back. JB said she only remember waking up that morning, the day she lost her mind and the vision God gave her when He healed her from insanity. In No Sheet... she also share the time, she was at her pastor's house, she went into the bathroom and taken every pill in the medician cabinet and left. When Sis Nichols saw the empty pill bottles, they went after her. JB was about to walk in front of a 18 wheeler, when her pastor grabbed her, she said the truck ran over her empty shoes  . She went through alot... She put too much into the relationship with her first husband, and he still mistreated her, and walked out on her... I know she made alot of changes in her appearance for TW... Do you think when she saw some of the same characteristic in TW that was in her 1st husband, scared her?... she applied for a divorce in 2005, only 3 years after their marriage. AT |
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 28, 2007 10:08:09 GMT -5
AT....... yes I pray and still pray for JB but not only JB but all who are losing ground on the true ministry of Jesus.....
You have made very good points and I agree with you............however I can't answer those questions........
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Post by Jasmine on Sept 28, 2007 11:53:24 GMT -5
No more sheets didn't apply to me either, but I clearly remember "Will the Real women of God stand up".
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 28, 2007 12:44:30 GMT -5
Birthing out a husband is incorrect I don't care how technical we try to break it down.....because first of all, according to Genesis Woman (wife) came out of man therefore a woman could never birth out a Husband............. a Husband has to be made by God.......... Understand something, I am talking about the concept she alluded to, not the wording. And it's very obvious that she wasn't speaking physically, but figuratively. It would also be inaccurate for a man to talk about birthing out a wife just because the first woman came from man--which you alluding to the Genesis passage would actually allow me to do. Can you at least she what she was trying to get at, even though she obviously cloaked it in the wrong language? How many times have you inadequately stated something, but people were able to get the meaning of what you were trying to get at by means of the context? Even preachers fumble at this sometime, so don't be so hard on the "letter" that you miss the "spirit." |
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 28, 2007 12:49:25 GMT -5
Sis Beulah, I understood everything you were getting at and I agree. I just think that we've strayed away from what you were referencing to an almost dangerous degree in this thread.
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She was put into a mental institution. Her natural mother sent for her and someone to drove her home. She said what should have taken a 3 hours drive, ended up being 13 hours, because she kept jumping out of the car. When she got home, her mother had to lock her in the bedroom, because she would not keep clothes on her. Mother Bynum prayer is what brought her back. JB said she only remember waking up that morning, the day she lost her mind and the vision God gave her when He healed her from insanity. 
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