Juanita's Spiritual mother gives an account

[anointedteacher]

We must discern and separates what come from the soulish realm (thoughts and opinions) and what is actually come from God.

[Beulah5]

righteousness and the word of God definitely come from God.

And it applies to everyone of us.

[livinganewlife]

krazeeboi said:

livinganewlife said:

Birthing out a husband is incorrect I don't care how technical we try to break it down.....because first of all, according to Genesis Woman (wife) came out of man therefore a woman could never birth out a Husband............. a Husband has to be made by God..........

Understand something, I am talking about the concept she alluded to, not the wording. And it's very obvious that she wasn't speaking physically, but figuratively. It would also be inaccurate for a man to talk about birthing out a wife just because the first woman came from man--which you alluding to the Genesis passage would actually allow me to do.

Can you at least she what she was trying to get at, even though she obviously cloaked it in the wrong language? How many times have you inadequately stated something, but people were able to get the meaning of what you were trying to get at by means of the context? Even preachers fumble at this sometime, so don't be so hard on the "letter" that you miss the "spirit."

KB I am not against JB in any way......however I just feel at during the time she preached Proverbs 31 up until now I personally can no longer connect to her messages..... ME personally I am not street, thuggish, gangsta or any of that so these strong arm in your face messages are beyond MY reach.....

I just like the plain simplicity of God's Word and teachings......

That whole message to me was a disconnect for MY spirit....and maybe the timing wasn't right for ME to hear it........



BTW; I was not alluding to the fact that a man can birth out a woman because that's not biblical either....the woman came out of the man's rib......not belly

[krazeeboi]

livinganewlife said:

KB I am not against JB in any way......however I just feel at during the time she preached Proverbs 31 up until now I personally can no longer connect to her messages..... ME personally I am not street, thuggish, gangsta or any of that so these strong arm in your face messages are beyond MY reach.....

And that's fine; everyone's ministry isn't really for everyone in terms of personal preferences, and there's nothing wrong with that. As one who was born and raised in the country, I can appreciate Juanita's "gangsta" style of delivery. There's room in the Kingdom for that particular style and I, for one, am grateful that God is a God of diversity. I can connect with it even though it's not reminiscent of what I was familiar with growing up, and this isn't anything peculiar. I know folks that I wouldn't consider to exactly be intellectuals, but they absolutely love Bishop Noel Jones. I know folks who aren't really known to be extra jovial, but they thoroughly enjoy Jesse Duplantis. And so on and so forth...

I just like the plain simplicity of God's Word and teachings......

I'm not seeing how Juanita's style compromises the simplicity of the Word of God.

That whole message to me was a disconnect for MY spirit....and maybe the timing wasn't right for ME to hear it........

And that's fine too. I was only saying that in this particular case, we should give our sister the benefit of the doubt. I know that people don't see things as I do and vice versa, but to me, Juanita was clear on what she actually meant when you consider the context, even though the language was questionable. I think you should charge this one to her head, and not her heart.

[keita]

electladynb said:

Honestly, I just hopped on the band wagon back then... everyone else liked her so I just joined in. (Thanks God I don't do that anymore and am comfortable now saying that I don't really care much for certain preachers.

Sis nikkol, I think you speak for and represent a whole bunch of sisters (and some brothers, as well) with what you said here.

Thanks for your honesty and praise GOD for wisdom, discernment, liberty and just plain ole good sense!



I had originally posted this just as the discussion on this thread started to go into "heated fellowship":

krazeeboi said:

Wow, I must say that I'm amazed at the direction this particular thread has taken.

Me too.

And since I think my posts were largely responsible for where this thread "went", I wanted to respond.

keita said:

I'm glad that others also see MUCH cause for concern in Veter Nichol's biography of JB. To me, it was rather like an inside and very detailed look at JB's descent into madness and her propensity for mental illness.

Seriously, y'all. As a former clinician, I have often wondered if JB is bi-polar/schizophrenic.

beulah5 said:

...You never went there!!! ;D...

keita said:

Now Sista Bee, you already know that just like you and a whole lot of us here... I will go there, lol!

And I'm going there again with this:


anointed wrote:

...So we done made a mentally ill woman famous and taken lessons from her.

Could very well be the case, my sister...

Could very well be.

Hmmmmmm...

Perhaps we should discuss that possibility.

For many reasons, whether clinical, observational or experiential, I have come to both know and believe that MANY powerful, gifted, anointed women, (like Juanita Bynum), and men of GOD, (like Bishop Paul Morton) have in the past, do presently, and will in their futures, struggle with mental illness.

I also both know and believe that GOD's gifts and call are without repentance, the battle can be ferocious, and GOD is able.

From my experience, there's no question that mental health issues, of all variations, are very much an issue in and for the Body of Christ. And not just for those who have an obvious issue of or a clinical diagnosis of mental illness.

I believe that our mental health is divinely and inextricably connected to our spiritual and even our physical health, making it a BIG DEAL to a triune GOD.

I believe that's why HE addresses and deals with "the mind" so often, so specifically, and in so many different contexts throughout the (especially NT) scriptures.

But mental illness, like domestic violence, is still on the list of secret shame issues in the Body of Christ. As a result, so many, especially women, but men too, and yes, even leaders as well, just soldier on. And they suffer "privately", and all too often silently, even as others begin to notice that "something's wrong", but cannot, dare not or will not say so, at least not to them.

"Cause even in today's time, nobody is exactly rushing to be "the face" of mental illness.

Especially not in "the church" and definitely not in "the chuch".

But the truth is, sometimes, even the "best" of us really are, do go, can be temporarily, or may just be behaving like we are, what is commonly known as CRAZY.

[krazeeboi]

Sis. Keita, you're right about mental illness, and you know it's pretty taboo to talk about it in the Black community. But even then, mental illness is but a result of other secret shames that we don't openly discuss and deal with, such as sexual abuse (which includes child molestation). We still operate from the mentality that we had to operate from in slavery, which was to simply focus on surviving. Talking about that stuff, which was often the result of forcible rape (the light-skinned children being the fruit of such a horrible incident), often meant death. So we just swept it under the rug and tried to make it through the day. But it can be hard to uproot something that has been culturally handed down through several generations, as culture can be a really hard thing to alter, particularly in the absence of factors that make it a (physical) life-or-death issue. But the Church has GOT to be the agent of change. Too bad we're pretty much just reinforcing that which is killing us mentally and even spiritually.

[Beulah5]

The mind is part of the soul and the soul is very important to God.

There are different parts of the soul including a conscious and an unconscious part.

The unconscious part is the part that the Holy Spirit is after because that is the part where stuff lays dormant that causes folks to overeact or act crazy in situations and we wonder : lawd where did that come from?

To me a healthy soul is a healthy mind for He will keep in perfect peace he whose mind is stayed on Him.

There comes a time in every true believer's life