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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 7, 2008 18:21:57 GMT -5
Telethon is about riasing money to meet their budget for next year, all their guest going to preach about sowing seed, giving and money... that the purpose of the Praise-A-Thon (that what they call it right?). PBS have it several time a year, it just that the secular public TV don't get critized for raising money to stay on the air.... We as Christians (in general ) have a problem with money.
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 7, 2008 20:52:50 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with them raising money..they need that to function. I have a problem when a prophesy is attached and people being told when they sow a seed that God is going to reward them. What about those who cannot sow and want to ?
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 7, 2008 21:54:10 GMT -5
Everybody can sow.... you can sow in prayer,
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Post by vindicated on Apr 8, 2008 10:03:23 GMT -5
Like it or not, admit it or not, there is a lot of hype attached to that. I don't even have a problem with people being told that God will bless them when they give because He has promised that we will receive a harvest on every seed we plant but it must be planted in FAITH. All people need is to be reminded of what the scripture says about our giving. But a lot of them are promising stuff in 24 hours, and everybody isn't going to get theirs in 24 hours. They will get it though. That's why I say there's a lot of hype. It's like they don't think the word alone is enough. I've seen it done the right way and the wrong way and a lot of that is unnecessary.
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 8, 2008 11:40:48 GMT -5
Vindicated.and I must agree. I have had people to say "sow your rent and bill money"..and what makes it so sad..they won't have a dime to give to you when you're about to evicted...and yes, I have seen the hype up close and personal..sow 33.01 (Psalm 33:01) and God will heal your loved one because of your obedience. Words are powerfully and for many they are very binding.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 8, 2008 11:55:11 GMT -5
I believe the responsibility is "two-fold". The leaders on this program should be responsible and accountable enough to not state such garbage but at the same time it is up to the listeners/viewers to be able to hear God for themselves and know when it is a bunch of "hogwash" or if they should actually sow an offering to the ministry.
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 8, 2008 11:57:49 GMT -5
They do at time, get carry away and operate in the flesh. Many time they may be prophesying to a few people or specific individual concerning a certain among to give and fail to make it clear that it is not for everybody. We need to stop being so quick to jump at every voice we hear and listen to the voice of God for ourselves concerning the seed to sow into a ministry. They will rush the offering by saying you must sow in the next 15 minute to receive the blessing.... me I believe in taking my time to hearing from God about what, when and how to give. I don't respond to the next 15 or 30 minutes offering unless the Lord alread dealt with me. If I tune into TBN Praise-A-Thon, I know it is going to be about money, giving and planting seeds and receiving blessing from the seeds.
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 8, 2008 11:58:47 GMT -5
now ASWSOY... you just hit upon another topic of discussion...Many times we are not taught to hear the voice of for ourselves..
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 8, 2008 11:59:16 GMT -5
Wow sis AT, I see we were posting and saying the same thing
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 8, 2008 12:23:30 GMT -5
Vindicated.and I must agree. I have had people to say "sow your rent and bill money"..and what makes it so sad..they won't have a dime to give to you when you're about to evicted...and yes, I have seen the hype up close and personal..sow 33.01 (Psalm 33:01) and God will heal your loved one because of your obedience. Words are powerfully and for many they are very binding. Stillfocused, the person who sow their rent money, is the person with the problem. I never heard anyone on TBN, asking ppl to sow any of their bill (rent, mortgage and utilities bills) into their ministries. I had a friend who is not faithful in church attendance, tithes and offering or anything. During a revival the man of God say as many that are able to give $.... amount to get in line. My friend jumped up in the line and gave her light and phone bill. The Man did not asked for that. I didn't get in line because I didn't have it and I didn't feel bad about it, and God already dealt with me about what to give and I have already written out my check and placed it in the offering envelope. My friend light and phone was turned off, who fault was it? her or the preacher. The preacher told the truth, he didn't say God say to give this amount, he say he need to raise a certain amount. The money is needed to cover all of the expenses such as airline tickets, hotel, food and honorarium. He a full-time prophet/evangelist and his income is his honorarium and he have a wife, kids, mortagage, car, insurances etc.... A person should never give their rent, mortgage etc, unless God tell them to and they know for sure it is God.....If you don't have enough faith to get rid of a headache without pain releiver, why try to operates above your level of faith. Everybody do not walk in the Gift of Faith. |
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 8, 2008 12:32:35 GMT -5
It wasn't on TBN...I had someone say to ME sow your rent money..I know that wasn't God..my point is this many times the voice of the prophet speaks louder than the voice of God within the person..though it seems like a lack of faith..they trust that prophet has from God and that God will perform the word that the prophet has released.
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 8, 2008 12:35:00 GMT -5
I live on the West Coast and the prophetic voice seems to have been rare; because when a Prophet comes many flock to get a "Word" from the prophet without first inquiring of the Lord for themselves and if you do have enough sense to inquire of God for yourself..you are a problem
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Post by vindicated on Apr 8, 2008 13:48:19 GMT -5
I believe the responsibility is "two-fold". The leaders on this program should be responsible and accountable enough to not state such garbage but at the same time it is up to the listeners/viewers to be able to hear God for themselves and know when it is a bunch of "hogwash" or if they should actually sow an offering to the ministry. ABSOLUTELY! SF: I know what you're talking about. I have been in services where the "prophets" told people they might need to sow their bill money. Light bill, rent. Those same "prophets" had long prophecies for people who gave 100 dollars but the smaller the money amount, the smaller the prophecy. The people who had a dollar or less got tapped on the head and sent on their way. People were just jumping in the line to get a prophecy. The church I attended when I lived in LA, the pastor after a while said he wasn't going to have another one come into his church. Half the checks bounced for one thing. And the spirits that lingered after the "prophets" left were just a big problem for the pastor. Having standing room only for a few weeks wasn't worth what he had to deal with afterwards so he stopped it all. The bible talks about people with itching ears so we need to understand that they will always be around, just like the poor. But God will deal with "preachers" who lead these sheep astray, taking advantage of their simple minds. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 8, 2008 14:22:21 GMT -5
I believe the responsibility is "two-fold". The leaders on this program should be responsible and accountable enough to not state such garbage but at the same time it is up to the listeners/viewers to be able to hear God for themselves and know when it is a bunch of "hogwash" or if they should actually sow an offering to the ministry. ABSOLUTELY! SF: I know what you're talking about. I have been in services where the "prophets" told people they might need to sow their bill money. Light bill, rent. Those same "prophets" had long prophecies for people who gave 100 dollars but the smaller the money amount, the smaller the prophecy. The people who had a dollar or less got tapped on the head and sent on their way. People were just jumping in the line to get a prophecy. The church I attended when I lived in LA, the pastor after a while said he wasn't going to have another one come into his church. Half the checks bounced for one thing. And the spirits that lingered after the "prophets" left were just a big problem for the pastor. Having standing room only for a few weeks wasn't worth what he had to deal with afterwards so he stopped it all. The bible talks about people with itching ears so we need to understand that they will always be around, just like the poor. But God will deal with "preachers" who lead these sheep astray, taking advantage of their simple minds. What get me is when ppl only give five or ten dollars in a regular services, jump up in line with an hundred or even a thousand dollar offering  Just to get a prophecy or profitacy from the propfit (prophet) during a revival. PPL get mad at the pastor.... The pastor didn't tell you to give all your money and your bills money  If I can't put an hundred in the regular offering at my church, I am not going to wait for a revival to give and I am not going to buy prophecies, it should be free..... The pastor shouldn't stop bringing ministers in.... They need to discern and know who they bringing over their sheep. The pastor should lay out their rules and how the offering should be conducted. At my church... the pastor would say... if you don't have it don't feel bad. We are not accepting faith check or rubber checks, if it not in the bank, don't write it ;D ;D. |
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 8, 2008 15:03:35 GMT -5
That's a good Pastor..not everyone operates or flows like that. Many are not taught to hear what the voice of the Lord..so they don't know what is of God or not.
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Just to get a prophecy or profitacy from the propfit (prophet) during a revival. PPL get mad at the pastor.... The pastor didn't tell you to give all your money and your bills money 
If I can't put an hundred in the regular offering at my church, I am not going to wait for a revival to give and I am not going to buy prophecies, it should be free.....