BISHOP WEEKS PLEADS GUILTY!!!!

[anointed]

vindicated said:

The statement I made is always true.

Okay, out of all that you just said, this is what stood out to me the most. And again, I believe this is not always true. If you disagree that's fine. However, we must be careful of looking at another's situation through the lenses of our personal experiences, or that of someone we closely know, and then draw the conclusion that how we see it is "absolute" (because it's not.)

[anointed]

vindicated said:

It's not an easy pill to swallow but it needs to be swallowed and that is... YOU ATTRACT WHAT YOU ARE. A MAN OR WOMAN AIN'T NO BETTER THAN WHAT THEY LAY WITH.

People have different reactions to certain pills, and this is one that doesn't agree with me either. (That statement isn't always true.)

[vindicated]

I think that there is a difference of some of what you are talking about as far as people changing. We all change and grow. I agree with that, to an extent. Because I was married to someone who didn't feel like he needed to change. So his growth was stunted by his lack of willingness to change.

As far as the statement you don't agree with I'd say ask a phychologist. A professional who is trained to help people make changes in their life for the better, and trained to assist people in learning to make better decisions. If you go to your pastor too many times talking about one bad relationship after another your pastor after a while is going to start asking you what part you're playing in it that you keep falling into the same trap.

But like you said, we disagree. So I think it's time for me to let this go.

[stillfocused]

Anointed my point is this..unsaved people we are not right and they tend what needs to be handled. I am not going to baited into an agrument or debate with you..I suggest that you let this go because just as she needs HEALING many of us are walking out and through a process of healing as we speak. I don't know why I keep saying this..but, please allow God to heal her we all want the best for her..but, the best for her at this is not the public eye. As a Prophet there are some things that she cannot and should not do..not because it's bad; yet, because God has called her to have higher standard than many who minister to his people.

[anointed]

vindicated said:

I think that there is a difference of some of what you are talking about as far as people changing. We all change and grow. I agree with that, to an extent. Because I was married to someone who didn't feel like he needed to change. So his growth was stunted by his lack of willingness to change.

As far as the statement you don't agree with I'd say ask a phychologist. A professional who is trained to help people make changes in their life for the better, and trained to assist people in learning to make better decisions. If you go to your pastor too many times talking about one bad relationship after another your pastor after a while is going to start asking you what part you're playing in it that you keep falling into the same trap.

But like you said, we disagree. So I think it's time for me to let this go.

Vindicated,

I think we're talking about two different contexts of "change." We're on two different pages. I can see that. What I was referring to was how you can be with someone for a number of years, then all of a sudden they change for the worst. It's much like you hearing someone say, "The person I first married is not that person anymore..." meaning they could change due to various factors that were not a benefit. To note, I'm talking generally. It's not about JB or TW at this point. Maybe this could be a separate discussion.

[anointed]

stillfocused said:

Anointed my point is this..unsaved people we are not right and they tend what needs to be handled.

I'm not understanding this response. Come again?

[anointedteacher]

vindicated said:

People can change in a marriage but in a marriage BOTH people have to change. In order for them both to change both have to see the need to change, and both have to be willing to change. Unfortunately it's usually one who wants to change and the other who wants to lay blame.

In Bynum's first interview and in Essences interview.... she made it very clear that she can't change anybody, but she can change herself, and that who she is working on.... she didn't sit around playing victim and pointing at everything Bishop did wrong... She is looking within herself...

What we did in this situation was looked at "he hit her, choked her" whatever she said he did, we looked at the pictures and saw the bruises and immediately began to crucify the man. We don't know what happened. Everybody says domestic violence is always wrong no matter what. I agree with that. But many women provoke men. They abuse men. They badger men. They disrespect men. Cheat on them. They do this to tenderhearted men who they know will do anything for them. They do it because they think the men will always be there. They push men over the edge. Anybody will snap if driven far enough.

They had two eye witnesses, who didn't know or recognize Juanita or Thomas at the time... They have medical record from two hospital to prove that she was attack by her Husband. You can not get felony by pushing a person down... 95% of the time abused women did nothing to cause a men to beat on them. Some men are abusers.... a man that don't abuse women will not put their hand on a woman, I don't care how much that woman nag and provoke. There are no excuse for Thomas... Thomas attacked two former employees, many have witness his anger over the pulpit.... Heaven is one of the eyewitness of that.

The statement I made is always true. But you have to see it for what it is instead of trying to decide who the victim is in the situation. If a woman is going from one bad relationship to another, one abusive relationship to another, one cheater to another, the issues lie within HER not the men she's choosing. Yes they are abusers, cheaters, whatnot. But the real question is, why does she keep winding up with these kinds of men? Why are these the men she is most attracted to? Asking those questions doesn't mean it's "her fault" or that she "deserves it". It just means she needs to take a look at herself and be honest about what she believes about herself. does she believe that it will always be this way no matter who she's with?

There is over twenty years different between JB's 1st marrage and 2nd marrisge.... She had dated men who didn't abused her in between and she never reported them as abuser. The last one was a older man that spoiled her. He brought her a nice car, jewelry, clothes etc. Her father prayed her way out of that relationship.. And there were 14 years between the older man and when she statred dating TW. Information from her book "No More Sheet" . Her 1st husband was a psalmist and a prophet and sung with her in PW at their church. She was a 19 years old virgin... Men don't walk around with a sign that say "I beat women and an abuser"

Is she afraid of a healthy relationship and therefore sabotages every one she's in? What does she believe she deserves? What does she believe about her future? And before anybody comes behind and tries to answer that for her, please don't. It's not about what any of us think she thinks she deserves, but what SHE thinks. She says what she believes, not us. As a man thinks so is he, or so does he become. You'd be surprised at the secret thoughts that people have about life and their life.

Many women find themselves this situation, but it don't mean they should just give up.... She seeked counselling when right after Weeks' attack and she is in counselling now....

It's not an easy pill to swallow but it needs to be swallowed and that is... YOU ATTRACT WHAT YOU ARE. A MAN OR WOMAN AIN'T NO BETTER THAN WHAT THEY LAY WITH.

False... say that to the women in their grave who never abused a soul and never did anything to provoke their abusers... A woman may marry a man that cheat, but they never cheated on their husband.... The statement is completely FALSE.

People have critcized that man for things he said and taught but guess what...she was right on that stage or on that front row endorsing every bit of it. And he endorsed her when she was talking crazy.

People have been tearing down Bynum day one.... The same ppl who was at all of her conference and have all of her cds and dvds. Former members left the church because they say teaching were plain nasty, they left before the beat down, and they blame Bynum for not correcting him. She teaches holiness and he teaches having sex in the park anything goes in the marriage bed ....

This is also his second marriage and from what I've heard him say, his first wife was a trip too. So both of them need healing and both need to do some soul searching to get to the bottom of what is broken in them that keeps driving them back to people who treat them the way they do. Any phychologist will tell you that, and so will God, because He told me. And He healed me.

For what I heard, he whipped her too... He even said that him and his ex used to throw large items at each other and fight all the time.

OH and He didn't heal me in public either. He healed me in private. In a lonely place with just me and Him where He could talk to me and tell me about myself and show me the brokenness in myself that kept me reaching for the wrong men. After your healing, you can go public. Which is why I'm working on my book. I can tell it now because I'm out. And I can now tell how God brought me out. When you're in and can't see how to get out and are suicidal that is NOT the time to be doing conferences. That is NOT the time to be laying hands on anybody.

God is the healer and He can do it, how, when and wherever He want...

Info... From No More Sheet... and previous interviews

[keita]

vindicated said:

I think that there is a difference of some of what you are talking about as far as people changing. We all change and grow. I agree with that, to an extent. Because I was married to someone who didn't feel like he needed to change. So his growth was stunted by his lack of willingness to change.

As far as the statement you don't agree with I'd say ask a psychologist. A professional who is trained to help people make changes in their life for the better, and trained to assist people in learning to make better decisions. If you go to your pastor too many times talking about one bad relationship after another your pastor after a while is going to start asking you what part you're playing in it that you keep falling into the same trap.

But like you said, we disagree. So I think it's time for me to let this go.

anointed said:

Vindicated,

I think we're talking about two different contexts of "change." We're on two different pages. I can see that. What I was referring to was how you can be with someone for a number of years, then all of a sudden they change for the worst. It's much like you hearing someone say, "The person I first married is not that person anymore..." meaning they could change due to various factors that were not a benefit.

Sis anointed, I'm so glad you straightened that out because I was going there myself. I really think the issues BOTH you and vindicated are raising are not only important and relevant ones, they are actually very much related to each other.

So I didn't want to see either of them lost in that bit of confusion.

I also want to note that Juanita Bynum speaks on this very issue during a recent interview (link on page 4 of this thread). For many people, it was the most significant part of what she had to say.

anointed said:

To note, I'm talking generally. It's not about JB or TW at this point.

I couldn't agree with you more, except to say again that, to me, it never really was about them for anybody who is not them. For the rest of us, as I've said before, I believe GOD, as HE's known to do, used this exposure in and of their lives as a vehicle and example through which HE spoke, and is speaking to so many.

And woven throughout the several JB/TW threads here, the lessons are valuable and plentiful whenever we were able to just go up from discussing/defending/debating/discerning JB and TW's personals and get to that point. I believe what both you and vindicated are speaking to is yet another example of our wisely doing exactly that, especially as women.

But, in fairness this thread is about TW (and therefore JB) so I agree that

anointed said:

Maybe this could be a separate discussion.

And mayhaps that's wisdom, especially if and as long as folks can't, or won't, yet thresh the wheat from the tares on this topic.

At any rate, I sure do believe it's more of the very kind of thing GOD actually intends for us to examine in our own hearts, minds, and lives, out of all of this.

Again, especially as women and even more as "wives", of both the married and unmarried type.

I'm with sis sf and the many, many others who either always knew or have come to see that, continuing saga aside, the most important question for everyone who isn't (or is ) JB or TW still is:

stillfocused said:

what have we learned from this mess ?

Hey! Maybe that's a topic of its own, LOL! I know it definitely has been for me.

[heaven]

Juanita Bynum will be on Inside Edition tonight....

I saw it.

This is just my opinion. I don't think Divorce Court is the right thing for her to do right now. I understand her wanting to help people not to get a divorce like she's doing. But you can't help nobody with their marriage when you're not healed from your own. And you're going through the same thing. You don't have that authority to tell them not to get one. I don't have a problem with her dong other TV shows. Certain areas you shouldn't touch. This is one of them.

[heaven]

she told me JB was getting a divorce, oh really... I wasn't surprised. She said, they usually don't let them host while in the process of getting a divorce.

That can't be true because Jamal Bryant and his wife are divorcing and he just preached their telethon this past week and Paula White hosts all the time. So there has to be another reason why she is not hosting.

[stillfocused]

I was watching TBN late last night and thought the praise a thon I was watching was a new..it wasn't. I know that some were and some were not. That's what happened..McClendon may appear on PraiseAThon...yet , he has not hosted a show in many years..and I am not being mean..Jamal Bryant and Paula White are money makers..

[vindicated]

stillfocused said:

I was watching TBN late last night and thought the praise a thon I was watching was a new..it wasn't. I know that some were and some were not. That's what happened..McClendon may appear on PraiseAThon...yet , he has not hosted a show in many years..and I am not being mean..Jamal Bryant and Paula White are money makers..

I can understand that being said about Paula White, but what has Jamal Bryant done to make you feel that way? I haven't heard anything about him except that he's getting a divorce for cheating. I've never seen him going on and on about money or sending him money. I have seen him on his broadcast raise money for people in his congregation who were about to be evicted or had needs or large amounts of money. He had people just bring the money and give it to them.

We have to remember too that when you preach a good word, like it or not, people are going to support you with their money. If anybody was in ministry and not receiving any gifts they would question whether or not God called them. People are going to give. The question is what is being done or said to make them give? Like are they being coerced or made to believe a lie or being fed hype?

Maybe you've seen him do something like that, but I haven't, that's why I asked.

[stillfocused]

It's nothing he did..I really wasn't watching the praiseathon..but, I had it on and in between the messages if you listened carefully..you could hear being exhorted to go to the phone..he reached to that next generation who are beginning to earn money..

[vindicated]

Oh. I taped it yesterday but I haven't watched it yet. On the telethon, they all do it. All the messages are centered around a seed. So no matter what they preach about they bring it back around to the seed and what God's gonna do when they send it. There's always some kind of slogan attached too. Kinda hypish to me. Just ask the people to give if they've been blessed by the TBN ministry! I'll watch it this evening maybe.

Yeah in that sense they are money makers because I believe Paul and Jan invite the ones who can get the greatest reponses from people, although millions give just because they want to.

[stillfocused]

And that's the truth !!