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Post by stillfocused on Apr 14, 2008 10:50:25 GMT -5
AT..no one is judging Heaven. Yet, that is your assessment...I am going through something right now that may have been results of something that I did not deal with last year. I don't care who did what..they were both wrong and this incident has affected many people...myself included. God is judging his leaders even though they still preach, lay hands, prophesy, and etc..there is a sense that God has expose and will continue to expose those things that bring him sorrow especially those things perpetuated by our leaders. Please accept that many know what he did was wrong..yet, in knowing that..she was not innocent.
Condemnation is no joke..especially when it comes from those within the house of faith. Your screen name speaks volumes..please don't lose your anointing over something that God has clearly spoken to many that he will handle this is..and sadly, no matter how wrong the circumstances they both will be judged on how they handled the sheep that he gave to them to shepherd.
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Post by vindicated on Apr 14, 2008 14:33:20 GMT -5
amen SF. It's amazing to me how worked up we get over stuff that doesn't really concern us when you get right down to it. The only reason we know about it is because they have a level of "celebrity". This happens everyday to millions of people.
My thing is, how can somebody be so not intersted in what TW has to say but at the same time be itching for more info to be posted about what's in the book? That sounds like them itching ears to me. Sometimes we get more caught up in the gossip surrounding a thing than we do about what actually happened. If you want to know what the man said in the book go buy it. But please don't swear up and down you don't want to know what he said and then turn around and say, "Girl what did he say!?" "What else did he say?!" Sometimes we get to talking and wind up oversporting ourselves and talk a ring around ourselves.
This reminds me of when I went through my divorce. My own family members kind of did the same thing to me. They so called supported my ex so much that the negroes forgot all about me! Why? Because he was talking about me like a DAWG! Tellin all my business, all my secrets. Telling things that only a husband would know. But in between all that he made sure to cry and boo hoo and say he wanted me back. Oh yeah? But doing everything to keep me away. And my family was right there listening to everything he said! Gettin all the juice! It wasn't nothing but lies and gossip. God knew this and told me not to say anything. Don't become like what's hurting me. I was so hurt and felt like God was on his side too. But I have seen that thing turn completely around and is still turning.
That's what I see on this thread. "Oh I'm not supporting him....but what did he say? Oh my goodness no he didn't! What else he say?"
Stop frontin.
Somebody mentioned it before that JB might come out with her own tell all. I believe it's possible. Very possible. But if she doesn't she has done enough interviews on television, radio, news shows, and magazines to fill a book so what's the difference in how she did it and how TW is doing it?
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 14, 2008 17:33:02 GMT -5
AT..no one is judging Heaven. Yet, that is your assessment... Oh really.... than why she need healing? How U know what she need.... This incident was caused by TW beating his wife in public.... That is the only reason it is being dealt with in public. This incident only affecting those who want to be affected and those who are weak... Because this is something that ppl in general sometime go through... If anybody is affected by someone else trails & tribulations and life changes that we can't avoid, than they have a problem. Explain what Bynum did wrong while she was helpless laying on the ground being stomp.... God is judging the Church period, not just celebraties preachers... What happen to Bynum is what is taking place in the church... too many leaders are abusing their wives and husbands, God want it to stop... If God didn't tell them to stop preaching... why should we... Bynum and Crystal should be getting back from London soon. She is still in demand and still drawing a crowd. The woman is going on with her life. No one say she was completely innocent... she.. herself admitted she made some mistakes in the marriage... and was willing to deal with it and work things out, after the physical abuse, verbal abuse, emotional abuse and even after the tell-it-all book was being released. She even stand in the gap to keep her husband out of jail.... she is a very courageous woman, to forgive on that level and continue to love her soon to be ex-husband. Even the night that TW stomped her, she managed to pull her beaten body off the hard cold ground and beg the man who saved her life from her angry abusive husband, not to hurt TW. some spiritfilled women, would have say have your way with him and repent later.... She said, if she quilty of anything.... I am quilty of loving my husband... I am not losing anything... cause I am not doing anything wrong but participating in a discussion.... Just like U .... Why would God judge Bynum and what she did to the sheep?.... She is not a pastor... so she don't shepherd the sheep.... She preach and prophesy and move on... that's the calling of an evangelist and prophet.... What did TW did to the sheep? He is a pastor and a bishop.... I don't know how he handling the sheep, I only read of two incidents, where he attack a woman employee and a man employee... and he take his anger out on the staff... but as far as the congregation? I don't know what he doing, so I can't say God going to judge him in that area. |
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 14, 2008 18:00:59 GMT -5
AT..no one is judging Heaven. Yet, that is your assessment... Oh really.... than why she need healing? How U know what she need.... This incident was caused by TW beating his wife in public.... That is the only reason it is being dealt with in public. This incident only affecting those who want to be affected and those who are weak... Because this is something that ppl in general sometime go through... If anybody is affected by someone else trails & tribulations and life changes that we can't avoid, than they have a problem. Explain what Bynum did wrong while she was helpless laying on the ground being stomp.... God is judging the Church period, not just celebraties preachers... What happen to Bynum is what is taking place in the church... too many leaders are abusing their wives and husbands, God want it to stop... If God didn't tell them to stop preaching... why should we... Bynum and Crystal should be getting back from London soon. She is still in demand and still drawing a crowd. The woman is going on with her life. No one say she was completely innocent... she.. herself admitted she made some mistakes in the marriage... and was willing to deal with it and work things out, after the physical abuse, verbal abuse, emotional abuse and even after the tell-it-all book was being released. She even stand in the gap to keep her husband out of jail.... she is a very courageous woman, to forgive on that level and continue to love her soon to be ex-husband. Even the night that TW stomped her, she managed to pull her beaten body off the hard cold ground and beg the man who saved her life from her angry abusive husband, not to hurt TW. some spiritfilled women, would have say have your way with him and repent later.... She said, if she quilty of anything.... I am quilty of loving my husband... I am not losing anything... cause I am not doing anything wrong but participating in a discussion.... Just like U .... Why would God judge Bynum and what she did to the sheep?.... She is not a pastor... so she don't shepherd the sheep.... She preach and prophesy and move on... that's the calling of an evangelist and prophet.... What did TW did to the sheep? He is a pastor and a bishop.... I don't know how he handling the sheep, I only read of two incidents, where he attack a woman employee and a man employee... and he take his anger out on the staff... but as far as the congregation? I don't know what he doing, so I can't say God going to judge him in that area. ok...I have several issues with this post. So I'll just take my time and go through the list accordingly. 1. How does one being affected by TW/JB issue make them weak? Your implication is that no one should be affected, when in actuality, the BODY of Christ has been affected. Their members family, and friends have been affected by this dilema, so how does that make them weak? 2. She is still in demand and drawing a crowd? Do you see anything wrong with this statement. yes, there maybe speaking engagements for Juanita, but please remember...people are their to hear from GOD. Juanita is the vessle. Its not about Juanita..Its about Jesus being Lifted up! 3. Why would God judge Juanita? She is a prophetess "to the nations'. So of course she will be judged. We all will. She may not be a pastor, but she does proclaim to be a mouth piece for God. And in being a mouth piece for God, we ought to make sure that...what we say HE said...He better HAD said it. Now, I believe that Juanita is a prophetess, and I believe that God will continue to use her as he see's fit, but I also believe that she is just as responsible for what was being taught to those members through her and his teachings, as he is. |
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 14, 2008 18:12:43 GMT -5
AT..no one on this bb has not acknowledged that what he did was right..yet, it's for you to continue in the vein that you are in. She maybe in demand....but, what is she preaching and teaching..if she opens her mouth in the wrong spirit and says "God said" and he didn't say..she will be held accountable. And if it has not been made clear...alot of people just want to heal and move on...so, please sis..move on from this..I can't tell you what to..I am not lashing out against you..it's just that your soul and salvation are more important than what he did..God will deal with this please let it go..
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 14, 2008 20:17:31 GMT -5
Oh really.... than why she need healing? How U know what she need.... This incident was caused by TW beating his wife in public.... That is the only reason it is being dealt with in public. This incident only affecting those who want to be affected and those who are weak... Because this is something that ppl in general sometime go through... If anybody is affected by someone else trails & tribulations and life changes that we can't avoid, than they have a problem. Explain what Bynum did wrong while she was helpless laying on the ground being stomp.... God is judging the Church period, not just celebraties preachers... What happen to Bynum is what is taking place in the church... too many leaders are abusing their wives and husbands, God want it to stop... If God didn't tell them to stop preaching... why should we... Bynum and Crystal should be getting back from London soon. She is still in demand and still drawing a crowd. The woman is going on with her life. No one say she was completely innocent... she.. herself admitted she made some mistakes in the marriage... and was willing to deal with it and work things out, after the physical abuse, verbal abuse, emotional abuse and even after the tell-it-all book was being released. She even stand in the gap to keep her husband out of jail.... she is a very courageous woman, to forgive on that level and continue to love her soon to be ex-husband. Even the night that TW stomped her, she managed to pull her beaten body off the hard cold ground and beg the man who saved her life from her angry abusive husband, not to hurt TW. some spiritfilled women, would have say have your way with him and repent later.... She said, if she quilty of anything.... I am quilty of loving my husband... I am not losing anything... cause I am not doing anything wrong but participating in a discussion.... Just like U .... Why would God judge Bynum and what she did to the sheep?.... She is not a pastor... so she don't shepherd the sheep.... She preach and prophesy and move on... that's the calling of an evangelist and prophet.... What did TW did to the sheep? He is a pastor and a bishop.... I don't know how he handling the sheep, I only read of two incidents, where he attack a woman employee and a man employee... and he take his anger out on the staff... but as far as the congregation? I don't know what he doing, so I can't say God going to judge him in that area. ok...I have several issues with this post. So I'll just take my time and go through the list accordingly. Not in the way she try to put.... Yes their family & friend are affected.... and the congregation.... but not in the way that they will fall way and lose focus, they are hurt and disappointed and should be healed by now.... I don't think the Body of Christ is that weak.... Divorce just happen to be something that ppl goes through in life. I think this situation is helping a lot of abused wives & husbands of spiritual leaders and political leaders to come out of the closet. It open our eyes to remind us this is happening in the church and it need to be addressed. Of course she is just a vessel.... But DOORS are stills open for her to minister, ppl are still requesting her to come and minister in the church and conferences... another word the situation didn't affected her ministries and didn't stop her from doing the work of the Lord.... OK Some ppl are there to hear from God but, sadly not all.... if you notice 1400 ppl left Global Destiny right after she left. I think it was wrong, but ppl was there because of her.... One of the member of GD said, when she was being pull and her ministry was at it peak, and she was missing services, ppl stop coming and the offering went down. That was one of TW complaint... PPL was there because of her and not God... it is sad, but true. In general we all will be judged, not just Bynum and TW. But why would God judge her for being beaten by her husband.... Sf was speaking about the incident.... not Bynum as a prophetess and mouth piece of God.... She is responsible for what she preach, teach and prophesy.. but a pastor and bishop goes beyond that.... |
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 14, 2008 22:10:52 GMT -5
The prayer I typed the other day..came straight from my spirit. I was at work. AT...Please let this go..we all know that you're passionate about JBW..my suggestion is for you to rent a car or take a plane and go tell this man what you want to tell him. I wasn't speaking of the incident. This is not the only marriage being attacked..it's just it's high profile. I guess the way for you to let this thing die is to lock ths post, don't respond, or just plain old ignore this post and let it die off like the many other threads that I felt deserved more than 1 response. I don't know about anyone else I ready to move on from this mess..because somehow there is a sense that God is saying leave it alone..because it's only going to get worse for all parties involved. Because no one wants to walk in humility..no matter what God is going to be glorified..and you can't separated the two..because at that time they were one...what affected her afftected him and what affected him affected her. Sis please let this go..just let it go...it's like beating a dead horse that comes back to life only to die to again..God is doing something and you don't want to be caught speaking ugly of this man while God is trying to get something to you..and I am not talking about touch not my anointed....etc...etc....there is a sense that God is working something out for you and you don't want to negate it because of foul thoughts about TW...just let it go.
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Post by kanyon on Apr 15, 2008 1:40:47 GMT -5
I agree, its locked.
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