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Post by stillfocused on Apr 11, 2008 11:06:33 GMT -5
Many things have been put off long enough..and this is one of them:
Father, I ask in the name of Jesus that you please forgive of us of our sins, the things that we have thought and said. Now, Father I ask that you give us the grace to extend to others who have fallen the same love that you gave and showed to us..when we have been unfaithful, when we committed acts against you and others..Father, may you continually remind us to forgive others as you forgave us..and in doing so we are able to extend the same act of mercy that you gave to us..when we didn't deserve it. Now, I ask in the name of Jesus that the words of our mouths and the meditations of our hearts be acceptable your sight. Now, Father I thank you the healing that has began to take place within the hearts of those who visit this bb will continue to manifest through the words that will be posted and the heart atttitudes of us all. The question no longer is there a healing balm in Gilead..yet, we stand knowing that the healing that must take has long ago began..Father, I thank for the work that you have begin in all parties and you will complete what you have began. Now Father, give us wisdom, give us the grace, and spirit of understanding and Godly counsel..in Jesus' name. Amen !!
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Post by anointed on Apr 11, 2008 11:12:52 GMT -5
With that prayed ...
heaven, you really don't have to share what the bishop has written in that book.
To everyone, you really don't have to sit and read this book at anytime.
Remember this prayer, now.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 11, 2008 14:13:43 GMT -5
With that prayed ... heaven, you really don't have to share what the bishop has written in that book. To everyone, you really don't have to sit and read this book at anytime. Remember this prayer, now. Amen, amen and amen! |
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 11, 2008 21:05:53 GMT -5
With that prayed ... heaven, you really don't have to share what the bishop has written in that book. To everyone, you really don't have to sit and read this book at anytime. Remember this prayer, now. I feel so bad about the book, I wanted to know just how far TW will go.... I will not buy the book, cause I don't want to support abuse. This is spiritual and emotional abuse. My heart go out to Bynum.... she don't deserve this, I know God will deal with it. I pray for TW salvation, that he will get saved and delivered. |
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Post by keita on Apr 11, 2008 22:29:25 GMT -5
As I said earlier, I'm planning to read Thomas Weeks' book. If the brother chooses to publicly discuss their marriage/ministry, I'm interested in what he has to say, from his perspective, in his own words. If/when Juanita Bynum releases one on the same subject, I'll be reading that too, for exactly the same reason. And when I'm through reading his, her or both book(s), it/they will join the "Wedding Of the Century" video and "Teach Me How To Love You" book and dvd marriage series, which I also unapologetically own, thoroughly enjoyed and learned a lot from. Sis heaven, if you truly desire to have a fruitful discussion about this, or any other book, I suggest that you, and please feel free to, simply start a new thread where you can discuss it with anyone here who has read or who reads the book, and is also interested in discussing it. Now I do want to just say that if what you (and some others I've heard) have shared is any example of what TW has to say in "What Love Taught Me", I still plan to read it, but finding it worth discussing doesn't look particularly promising. But because I haven't read the book yet, I'll reserve any further judgement and discussion of it until or unless I do. And with that said, .... to the above "benediction" for this thread, I'll add three more AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN.. That'll make 7 of 'em and we all know what that means!  |
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Post by anointed on Apr 11, 2008 23:07:16 GMT -5
Again, heaven, you really don't have to share what's written in that book. I'm not telling you what to do but just ask yourself inwardly, "does this bring joy or grief to the Holy Spirit by the books I choose to infiltrate my mind about someone? If the Lord came back now, would I be found in his will, thinking His thoughts and meditating on His word and righteousness?" Now, these words keep resounding in my ears from the prayer posted: Now, I ask in the name that the words of our mouths and the meditations of our hearts be acceptable your sight. Let that be an eighth "amen" 'cause it's a new day. Now, if by any chance, this brother's "perspective" involves any slander (from God's higher perspective, concerning his wife), though he may initiate the spread of it through this book, you are yet held responsible for the further spread of possible slander and inaccuracy (by repeating it), that obviously is bringing into the plot more names than the two people at the center of it all (at least I hear the book is calling specific names out). Heaven even said (and she's actually doing the reading): He's basically blaming her for everything wrong in their marriage. He's only admitting to working all the time. Almost 100 percent of he book is about her and the people around her. Therefore, you should shun your spirit of the negativity the enemy still wants people to feed on through this "tell-all" book that negatively portrays an individual. Now, if you have an interest in reading the book then that's your business (not between you and God but you and your own heart) Yet, the only fruitfulness that should arise out of Christian discussion is what reflects the true heart of God in that ... Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. -Philippians 4:8If a "fruitful" discussion can arise out of the book that doesn't defy, at its core or with no cloak of spiritual double-speak, any of these attributes, then I will really like to observe this. At this point, though, it may provoke a discussion but only based on a "perspective" and not "truth" that only God can determine. So how can "fruitful" discussion emerge when "truth" is not there from a holistic viewpoint of both parties? Now, I would've suggested that they both sat and wrote the book together to arrive to a more "accurate" premise testified of them both. As for Ms. Bynum, I hope she remains in the "if" and not "when" stage of writing such a book. But as of now, we can only say "if" (which means it's inconclusive).. I want you also to keep in mind that Bishop Weeks told the "Church" that he apologizes to his wife and would pull the book because as a husband he knew how it would affect her. With him being a "man of God" I held him to his words (  ), in which we're seeing now was apparently not true. The publishing of this book does nothing but perpetuate the "mess" that many, even on this board, have asserted that both JB and TW "sit down" and "be quiet" about. When is enough going to be enough? When the saints take a stand and put a halt in their hearts to what really doesn't edify the mind, body and spirit! True Christians will pray, move on and not perpetuate or touch a situation that only God, at this point, can fix. Now, I'm not saying anyone isn't a "true Christian" but rather let the "true Christian" arise in you. This is a truth that I know but strive, even when failing, to maintain my mindset in. |
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Post by keita on Apr 12, 2008 11:32:14 GMT -5
Sis anointed, Excluding the several assumptions, I'm not disagreeing at all with any of what you're so rightly preaching. But because I haven't read the book yet, I'll reserve any further judgement and discussion of it until or unless I do. Amen? |
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Post by anointed on Apr 12, 2008 11:43:17 GMT -5
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Post by anointed on Apr 12, 2008 11:45:18 GMT -5
Sis anointed, Excluding the several assumptions, I'm not disagreeing at all with any of what you're so rightly preaching. Not trying to make "assumptions," that's why I use the words "may" and "if" in what I'm saying. That's why I said, for example: Now, if by any chance, this brother's "perspective" involves any slander (from God's higher perspective, concerning his wife), though he may initiate the spread of it through this book, you are yet held responsible for the further spread of possible slander and inaccuracy (by repeating it) ... But all in all, Keita, do you. I understand the reality that you have a right to read if you must or unless you do (as you said.) Again, it's a matter between you and your own heart. |
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Post by keita on Apr 12, 2008 15:40:39 GMT -5
Not trying to make "assumptions," that's why I use the words "may" and "if" in what I'm saying. That's why I said, for example: , It's precisely because I have not read this book that I certainly did notice and really do appreciate how careful you were to use those types of qualifiers in most (though not all) of your strong opinions and implications about TW's book and those who choose to read it. Okay. For me, this remains a matter of liberty and personal choice, as it would be with any other book, movie, play etc. We clearly don't, and imho don't have to, agree in all of our personal choices nor necessarily judge each other based upon them. For example, I personally think that Tyler Perry's drag queen role in many of his movies and plays, though quite popular with many Christians, is an open affront to scripture. Therefore, I hold and have often expressed VERY strong opinions about a lot of his work. But I would definitely stop short of judging any Christian as "true" or false because they choose to watch them. I (almost) totally agree with you except First, I assure you that I'm certainly feeling no compulsion at all about reading TW's book, because if I were, I'd already be reading it. So in my case, it would be "if you choose" rather than "if you must". Second, I do still have my ears on and open. And in all honesty, sis heaven's reports, as well as your wise admonishments actually have, at least, pushed this book further down on my intended reading list. That's exactly why I've added "unless" to my position that because I haven't read the book yet, I'll reserve any further judgement and discussion of it until or unless I do. That's just "me" regarding second-hand info and matters of opinion in general. Whenever possible, I do prefer to have firsthand knowledge of a matter before forming a position and/or speaking on it. Now if I still can't get an "AMEN" from you, then I'm totally fine if we can simply agree to disagree on this one. Because truthfully and bottom line, whether or not I or anyone else ever reads or discusses TW's book is simply not that deep of an issue for me. But the liberty of this board and its members is. So, and perhaps for a different reason, I do think what you've said (twice) to sis heaven, is certainly true. Because imho, anyone who really wants to know what the book says can, should and will choose to read it for themselves. And if and when, we/they do, what's very important to me is that the choice to then discuss it remains an option, right along with the choice not to read and/or participate in that particular discussion. Just as it is with any other topic up in here. And we've had ourselves some real doozies over the years, lol! |
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 12, 2008 17:01:36 GMT -5
Yesterday..I kept getting in my spirit...Let this alone..it is now in God's hands...and he is going to do what he wills to do irregardless of what we think or do. For the past few weeks my spirit has been vexed and when I read Heaven's post..I realized that her healing will not take place unless she lays this to rest within herself and with the Lord. Though they may have been wrong in their actions I realized that we have no right to sit back and allow either one of them to be turned into idols or used as a topic of conversation..because God is not pleased...nor has he ever been pleased by any of their actions or ours, either. Many things that have been happening are actually due to the conditions of the heart. And to Heaven...may I suggest that you find something else to feed your spirit man with until God has completely healed and delivered you from the hurt that you have experienced.
Be blessed all !!
SF
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Post by anointed on Apr 12, 2008 17:03:57 GMT -5
Not trying to make "assumptions," that's why I use the words "may" and "if" in what I'm saying. That's why I said, for example: , It's precisely because I have not read this book that I certainly did notice and really do appreciate how careful you were to use those types of qualifiers in most (though not all) of your strong opinions and implications about TW's book and those who choose to read it. Well, I'm glad for the appreciation as I tried as much as possible to word carefully. Okay. For me, this remains a matter of liberty and personal choice, as it would be with any other book, movie, play etc. We clearly don't, and imho don't have to, agree in all of our personal choices nor necessarily judge each other based upon them. For example, I personally think that Tyler Perry's drag queen role in many of his movies and plays, though quite popular with many Christians, is an open affront to scripture. Therefore, I hold and have often expressed VERY strong opinions about a lot of his work. But I would definitely stop short of judging any Christian as "true" or false because they choose to watch them. In my opinion, you can't compare "entertainment" to "possible slandering" of another. I understand and deem as valid your view on Tyler Perry, but that doesn't compare to reading a book in which one has chosen to disseminate to the public what he told his wife publicly that he wouldn't do. So even if it is read by whoever chooses to read it, they will be reading something published in the spirit of a lie and betrayal toward another Christian (not "actor" on a stage). This is a matter of virtue and principle. For me, it's not a matter of personal choice (although you have that right but it's not the matter) but rather of the standards we set for ourselves that we expect even our leaders to live by. Now, Keita I have not distinguished one as a "true" or "false" Christian in this matter. Rather, I said let the "true Christian" arise in us (not that anyone is ever false) but it's something that we should set as a goal for ourselves everyday. At least, I often pray "Lord, I want to be a true believer..." it's my aim daily to walk in (I don't exempt myself). I (almost) totally agree with you except First, I assure you that I'm certainly feeling no compulsion at all about reading TW's book, because if I were, I'd already be reading it. So in my case, it would be "if you choose" rather than "if you must". Now you should've quoted my whole sentence. You left off "... or unless you do" which is basically saying the same thing as "if you choose." LOL! Second, I do still have my ears on and open. And in all honesty, sis heaven's reports, as well as your wise admonishments actually have, at least, pushed this book further down on my intended reading list. That's exactly why I've added "unless" to my position that Well. I'm glad that heaven's "report" and my "wise admonishments" were of some help for you in pushing it down on you intended reading list. (I'm gonna attempt to get it further down the list, sis. If that's alright with you. ;D)That's what we're supposed to do as believers, which is encourage to look at things from a higher perspective. That's just "me" regarding second-hand info and matters of opinion in general. Whenever possible, I do prefer to have firsthand knowledge of a matter before forming a position and/or speaking on it. Now if I still can't get an "AMEN" from you, then I'm totally fine if we can simply agree to disagree on this one. Because truthfully and bottom line, whether or not I or anyone else ever reads or discusses TW's book is simply not that deep of an issue for me. But the liberty of this board and its members is. So, and perhaps for a different reason, I do think what you've said (twice) to sis heaven, is certainly true. Because imho, anyone who really wants to know what the book says can, should and will choose to read it for themselves. And if and when, we/they do, what's very important to me is that the choice to then discuss it remains an option, right along with the choice not to read and/or participate in that particular discussion. Just as it is with any other topic up in here. And we've had ourselves some real doozies over the years, lol! Verily, verily I say ... when it comes down to it, do you... but make sure "do you" doesn't compromise what the scripture admonises us to do, which is: And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. -Colossians 3:17 |
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 12, 2008 19:12:09 GMT -5
Yesterday..I kept getting in my spirit...Let this alone..it is now in God's hands...and he is going to do what he wills to do irregardless of what we think or do. For the past few weeks my spirit has been vexed and when I read Heaven's post..I realized that her healing will not take place unless she lays this to rest within herself and with the Lord. Though they may have been wrong in their actions I realized that we have no right to sit back and allow either one of them to be turned into idols or used as a topic of conversation..because God is not pleased...nor has he ever been pleased by any of their actions or ours, either. Many things that have been happening are actually due to the conditions of the heart. And to Heaven...may I suggest that you find something else to feed your spirit man with until God has completely healed and delivered you from the hurt that you have experienced. Be blessed all !! SF Who said Heaven need healing? Isn't that judging, base on what you think or feel? It is good to avoid posts that vex your spirit.... it is no different from picking up that book and reading and becoming vex. If reading her post bother you so much... don't read it, that will cure your vex spirit... For me I wanted to know what was in the book before I judge TW... I didn't want to assume he was slandering Dr. Bynum . I read a few comments from his myspace, and they said every Christian should read this book, and every woman, i forgot the rest. They said, it is a must. After reading Heaven posts, I realize it is nothing but slanders of a Child of God with lies. I don't believe a word he say, because he lied for over 6 months and still lying, and those weak minded Christians believe every lie he tell.... What anger me is that so many so called Christians, especially the black, have judged Bynum as being a liar, prideful and set up this poor innocent man by provoking him, even before her first News conference. She have been slandered by the Church and judged as the one wrong. She was a innocent victim, not TW.... From the very beginning I said he was a smart and slick dude that was going to do her in. I believehe begun to write this book way before the incident. I agree with both Keita and anointed, both made good point. If Heaven choose to continue to dsicuss the book, it should be a choice whether a individual want to discuss or not. Book is really exposing his character as a man of God. I will not buy the book... I am going to continue to pray for Dr. Bynum.... TW will be dealt with... |
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Post by keita on Apr 13, 2008 1:37:32 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad for the appreciation as I tried as much as possible to word carefully. And I'm truly glad about your response because my appreciation was absolutely sincere. For me, this remains a matter of liberty and personal choice, as it would be with any other book, movie, play etc. We clearly don't, and imho don't have to, agree in all of our personal choices nor necessarily judge each other based upon them.
For example, I personally think that Tyler Perry's drag queen role in many of his movies and plays, though quite popular with many Christians, is an open affront to scripture.
Therefore, I hold and have often expressed VERY strong opinions about a lot of his work. But I would definitely stop short of judging any Christian as "true" or false because they choose to watch it. In my opinion, you can't compare "entertainment" to "possible slandering" of another. I don't even think it's that cut and dried. Because I see SO MUCH of what we, even as Christians, deem to be merely and therefore acceptable "entertainment" as quite often nothing more than dressed up sin, including, but certainly not limited to, that of "slander". So entertaininment value notwithstanding, as we all know, sin is sin. I understand and deem as valid your view on Tyler Perry, but that doesn't compare to reading a book in which one has chosen to disseminate to the public what he told his wife publicly that he wouldn't do. So even if it is read by whoever chooses to read it, they will be reading something published in the spirit of a lie and betrayal (not "actor" on a stage). Although we obviously disagree about the the comparison, I am relieved that you do at least understand and see some validity in my view on Tyler Perry's work. Maybe we can discuss that sometime. Now, it is certainly possible that Thomas Weeks publicly lied to his wife, but it is also possible that he simply felt that way at the time. Feelings are VERY volatile in the breakup of any marriage, especially an acrimonious one. So what you describe as "something published in the spirit of a lie and betrayal toward another Christian" might just as well be something published by a man who, for reasons unbeknownst to us, changed his mind. Because I have absolutely no way of knowing what his motives were/are for his apparent reversal, I won't presume to judge his motives, especially not as being sinful, for choosing to publish the book. (And btw, I've found that Christians as "actors" and performers can actually make for a very interesting discussion too.) This is a matter of virtue and principle. For me, it's not a matter of personal choice (although you have that right but it's not the matter) but rather of the standards we set for ourselves that we expect even our leaders to live by. Again, obviously, and at least at this point, we disagree about what "the matter" is and therefore see "the matter" very differently. Now, Keita I have not distinguished one as a "true" or "false" Christian in this matter. , I don't think I actually stated that you did, but rather what I would not do. But if you feel I implied that you "distinguished one as a "true" or "false" Christian in this matter", I do understand because I definitely was responding to your statement True Christians will pray, move on and not perpetuate or touch a situation that only God, at this point, can fix. Now, I'm not saying anyone isn't a "true Christian" but rather let the "true Christian" arise in you. To me, that first sentence, and despite the "disclaimer" of the second, seemed to imply that you were actually doing some "distinguishing" in it. Of course, that may be because I disagree that choosing to read TW's book is necessarily or even at all in conflict with what, at least according to you, is what "true Christians" will be doing. In any case, if I read you wrong or misunderstood you, I do sincerely apologize. Actually, when I wrote that, I did both quote and respond to your "whole sentence". In case you somehow missed it, please just reread post #309, which is also where I continued with Second, I do still have my ears on and open. And in all honesty, sis heaven's reports, as well as your wise admonishments actually have, at least, pushed this book further down on my intended reading list. That's exactly why I've added "unless" to my position that
because I haven't read the book yet, I'll reserve any further judgement and discussion of it until or unless I do. Well. I'm glad that heaven's "report" and my "wise admonishments" were of some help for you in pushing it down on you intended reading list. (I'm gonna attempt to get it further down the list, sis. If that's alright with you. ;D)That's what we're supposed to do as believers, which is encourage to look at things from a higher perspective. Honestly and even now, I'm still listening and more than willing to keep moving TW's book on down and even off my intended reading list. Frankly, it's actually moved down even more as a result of both your and sis sf's posts. So you continuing to express your opinion and perspective, as well as anyone who may be of a different mind doing the same, is much more than "alright" with me, sis. Because, as I said ...truthfully and bottom line, whether or not I or anyone else ever reads or discusses TW's book is simply not that deep of an issue for me.
But the liberty of this board and its members is. And it's preserving that liberty which is still much more the issue for me. No matter my personal opinion, on this or any other matter, or how it may change, (as it has certainly been known to do right here on, and often as a result of discussions on, this board), I'm always willing to fight for that liberty. Verily, verily I say ... when it comes down to it, do you... but make sure "do you" doesn't compromise what the scripture admonises us to do, which is:
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. -Colossians 3:17 Now, sis anointed, that is nothing but straight up Truth and Wisdom. So without a doubt, I KNOW and I do hope you know that we are in COMPLETE AGREEMENT about it!!! ;D |
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Post by keita on Apr 13, 2008 2:28:50 GMT -5
I agree with both Keita and anointed, both made good point. Thanks sis at. I completely agree with you, lol!  And you will continue to pray for him as well......riiiiiight?  |
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