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Post by Guest on Feb 28, 2006 14:53:54 GMT -5
You can always find out some interesting things as posts go on: Just wanted to share this scripture: Ac 11:26 - And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. The term Christian was used specifically for those who followed Christ. Regarding understanding the tabernacle, veil, threshing floor, etc. I think for personal study purposes, there's no problem with that. However, I think for others it can bring about too much confusion unnecessarily. A new Christian just needs to know who Jesus is and to be able to repent, be baptized and receive the HG. Knowing Jesus is the most important. However, if one starts talking to them about those other things, they more likely to get confused...... Nikkol, the term "Christian" originated with men who called the disciples that as mockery for those who truly exemplified Christ. I'm not knocking down the term but the fact is, Jesus never gave us that term originally. While babes in Christ should be taught the things of God, those that are maturing shouldn't be deprived of revelation knowledge seen in the tabernacle. Who's to say a babe in Christ will not understand tabernacle principles? But again, you did state what you think, subjectively which is fine.  |
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Post by MsKayLander on Feb 28, 2006 14:55:06 GMT -5
You can always find out some interesting things as posts go on: Just wanted to share this scripture: Ac 11:26 - And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. The term Christian was used specifically for those who followed Christ. Regarding understanding the tabernacle, veil, threshing floor, etc. I think for personal study purposes, there's no problem with that. However, I think for others it can bring about too much confusion unnecessarily. A new Christian just needs to know who Jesus is and to be able to repent, be baptized and receive the HG. Knowing Jesus is the most important. However, if one starts talking to them about those other things, they more likely to get confused...... I disagree, there is no confusion in Christ and when we want to know more about Him, He will reveal Himself. When you read the bible, you will read about the tabernacle and the threshing floor... why should this be confusing?? |
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Post by MsKayLander on Feb 28, 2006 14:58:22 GMT -5
MissKay, Are you trying to trick me?  I would say I'm a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven, but in my obedience to the Father's will and my experience with Him, I allow the Kingdom of God to rule in my heart. [/b]Living[/b], Why do we have crosses hung in our churches if Christ is seated on a throne? Why do we commemorate holidays with plays in our churches focusing on some character pretending to hang on a cross? I personally don't take it offensively. It simply demonstrates what we believe. Whether you demonstrate what you believe with a replica of the ancient sacred objects is a personal matter and if you choose not to, then that's fine. If you do use replicas, nothing is wrong with that either. What really matters is that you understand what the things mean. If God told the prophetess to march in that 'ark' to demonstrate to the people, then that's what she will do. It may not mean anything to some, but to others, it may cause them to have a deeper appreciation for the presence of God as seen in the bible. You can look at it like an illustrated sermon. Have you ever seen one of those? A preachers used objects or acts to explain spiritual truths. [/quote] From which Kingdom are you???
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
(Matt. 4:17 KJV)
"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
(Luke 17:20-21 KJV) |
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 28, 2006 15:23:24 GMT -5
You can always find out some interesting things as posts go on: Just wanted to share this scripture: Ac 11:26 - And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. The term Christian was used specifically for those who followed Christ. Regarding understanding the tabernacle, veil, threshing floor, etc. I think for personal study purposes, there's no problem with that. However, I think for others it can bring about too much confusion unnecessarily. A new Christian just needs to know who Jesus is and to be able to repent, be baptized and receive the HG. Knowing Jesus is the most important. However, if one starts talking to them about those other things, they more likely to get confused...... Nikkol, the term "Christian" originated with men who called the disciples that as mockery for those who truly exemplified Christ. I'm not knocking down the term but the fact is, Jesus never gave us that term originally. While babes in Christ should be taught the things of God, those that are maturing shouldn't be deprived of revelation knowledge seen in the tabernacle. Who's to say a babe in Christ will not understand tabernacle principles? But again, you did state what you think, subjectively which is fine. What about the scripture indicates that it was done out of mockery? What did Jesus tell us to preach/proclaim? The tabernacle? DO we see the apostles preaching the tabernacle? Or are they preaching Christ. In a biblical study class talking about those things can be understood. But to build a doctrine on the tabernacle is not what Jesus has told us to do. Edited: We know when the church first began, they went from house to house breaking bread. What occurred was when Rome found that they couldn't get rid of Christianity, they did what is known as "if you can't beat them join them", this once again instituted the necessity for a temple for worship as well as priests. However they also added different pagan things like praying to saints, the "elevation of Mary". along with many other things. They also made it so it was assumed that the priest knew more and therefore they HAD to come to the priest for confessions, penance, and even in order to go to heaven. When Luther broke away, he got rid of some things but some things were left..... as time progresses you saw that more people were starting to meet in homes and they got away from all the different garbs and elaborate ceremonies..... however, you see that it's all starting to come back. The need for big buildings, the people not reading their word and taking what the "priest" I mean pastor says. Feeling the necessity to talk specifically to the pastor about things that they do while their are saints whom they should be able to talk to as well; and last but not least the whole catholic garb which includes the cincture (meaning chastity--- not symbolizing the robe that Jesus girded himself with which they try to imply) and everything else. I think that it is very possible although there are some that can understand the purpose of studying for information purposes that we could see as time progresses us going even further backwards instead of just continuing in the apostles doctrine............. |
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Post by keita on Feb 28, 2006 15:29:11 GMT -5
MissKay, Are you trying to trick me? I would say I'm a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven, but in my obedience to the Father's will and my experience with Him, I allow the Kingdom of God to rule in my heart.
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
(Matt. 4:17 KJV)
"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
(Luke 17:20-21 KJV) There's a thread on that topic here. |
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Post by MsKayLander on Feb 28, 2006 15:31:10 GMT -5
Nikkol, the term "Christian" originated with men who called the disciples that as mockery for those who truly exemplified Christ. I'm not knocking down the term but the fact is, Jesus never gave us that term originally. While babes in Christ should be taught the things of God, those that are maturing shouldn't be deprived of revelation knowledge seen in the tabernacle. Who's to say a babe in Christ will not understand tabernacle principles? But again, you did state what you think, subjectively which is fine. What about the scripture indicates that it was done out of mockery? What did Jesus tell us to preach/proclaim? The tabernacle? DO we see the apostles preaching the tabernacle? Or are they preaching Christ. In a biblical study class talking about those things can be understood. But to build a doctrine on the tabernacle is not what Jesus has told us to do. Who is building a doctrine based on the tabernacle??? just talking about it and studying it does not mean you are building a doctrine based on it... just because a person talks about behind the veil doesn't mean their doctrine is based on the tabernacle... we (general) have to stop being so closed minded to things we don't understand and study to show ourselves approved....To be honest, we ain't doing half of what Jesus told us to do... Christ is revealed in the tabernacle... that's it... end of story... whether you are in a class or want to know more about worship or just want to know what this OT pattern was about ... we should be able to discuss all of the word and apply it as necessary for our daily lives... |
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Post by keita on Feb 28, 2006 15:43:03 GMT -5
DO we see the apostles preaching the tabernacle? Or are they preaching Christ. Many would say that the author of Hebrews (Paul?) very effectively manages to do both... |
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Post by MsKayLander on Feb 28, 2006 16:05:50 GMT -5
DO we see the apostles preaching the tabernacle? Many would say that the author of Hebrews (Paul?) certainly does... a book of types and shadows revealed... |
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Post by Guest on Feb 28, 2006 16:14:23 GMT -5
Please read Revelations 19:11 talks about the ark of the covenant in the new heaven. It's really not as old testament as many think.
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Post by Guest on Feb 28, 2006 16:16:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry, it's Revelations 11:19 that shows the ark of the covenant in the heavenly temple
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Feb 28, 2006 16:17:47 GMT -5
I agree to with misskay to a point, but not only are we to study the OT but we have to study the OT with the cross in mind - otherwise............................. I am one who have studied the tabernacle etc. and therefore I understand that it was only a type and shadow of things to come. I am not knocking anyone but I don't want to go behind a veil that is no longer there....lol, nor is there any need for it. Not with the cross in mind, but with Christ in mind... ;D as Christ leads us to the cross...you don't see the cross in the OT, but you do see Christ throughout... and the veil was only flesh so in order to be complete in Christ we have to get beyond our flesh... my point is being missed and therefore I will leave it to my lack of effective communication skills. |
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Post by keita on Feb 28, 2006 16:22:19 GMT -5
Many would say that the author of Hebrews (Paul?) certainly does... a book of types and shadows revealed... Amen... and Amen. Put those two together and one could say that scripture actually offers both an instruction method (Hebrews) and a prophetic reason (Revelation) for this particular teaching. |
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 28, 2006 18:10:55 GMT -5
Not with the cross in mind, but with Christ in mind... ;D as Christ leads us to the cross...you don't see the cross in the OT, but you do see Christ throughout... and the veil was only flesh so in order to be complete in Christ we have to get beyond our flesh... my point is being missed and therefore I will leave it to my lack of effective communication skills. ASWSOY: I'm with you on this one as well. |
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Post by stillfocused on Feb 28, 2006 21:20:35 GMT -5
Guest..I am not picking you, yet, Prophetess Weeks spoke over the airwaves that this is not another conference..but, a time of refreshing. And she will be the first one to tell you if she starts doing things...don't follow me. What many don't understand is that when one is called as a Prophet there are sometimes that they cannot do..because they speak to the people for God..they must the Word of God and living it. And sometimes we must remember that there are sometimes that happened in the OT as a reminder of what not to do. All I am saying we cannot handle the things of any kind of then say "God told me"..to do it and when it fails..say it "was an attack of the Enemy". Many years ago, the church I attended did what is called the
Tabernacle prayer..and it was awesome..because it was explained what each thing in the tabernacle represented then and the way we prayed..
I remember when she did WOP in St Louis..I was watching in room...Vicki Yohe..started singing the song the Mercy Seat..I watched people falling out everywhere...when the voice of the Lord let me know one could freely enter into the presence of the Lord..and that there were those there who had paid money to hear the same thing that he had been trying to tell them in their prayer closets; if they would only listen. Nothing against Prophetess Weeks..all I can say say cover her in prayer.
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Post by nina on Mar 1, 2006 3:38:46 GMT -5
Just a side note:
I think that LALN mentioned to be interested in knowing more in depth about the Ark of the Covenant. Personally, if it's in the Bible, then we should study it...
As for Dr Bynum and her plans: unless one of us actually knows for his/herself with certainty, how she intends to use the replica, what the exact purpose of the teaching is, what message she intends to deliver, etc... then we are only making assumptions (not trying to offend anyone) except somebody heard from the highest source.
To me - and again, just what I think - even in a secular court one is innocent until proven guilty.
God allows it, doesn't He? Jesus told us to watch and pray. It's important to quiet our spirit so that we can hear what the Spirit says, beyond the noise and the fanfare.
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