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Post by livinganewlife on May 22, 2006 9:16:38 GMT -5
Greetings everyone:
I have a question, in today's churches we have people who are giving testimonies and are telling everything about themselves and how God brought them out.
In this age of laying it on the line are Church Folks ready for Transparent Leaders?
Are we ready for Leaders who were ex child abusers?
Are we ready for women leaders who were ex prostitutes? are we ready for leaders who were ex wife beaters and tortured women?
Are we ready for leaders who were ex rapists? Are we ready for ex Homosexual leaders?
Are we READY for our LEADERS to put it all out there and be transparent?
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Post by ybrown on May 22, 2006 9:53:08 GMT -5
I don't know why there is so much emphasis today being put on transparency. It's like a new badge of righteousness or something. Transparency concerning the Word is more important to me than whether or not my pastor reveals that he once kissed a man; even though transparency from a messenger can have it's place at times.
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Post by G3 on May 22, 2006 9:59:39 GMT -5
Even though the Word of God says "That we over came the Evil One by the Blood of the Lamb and the Word of our Testimony", the Word of God also states the we should "Walk in Wisdom with those without redeeming the time" And He that win a soul is wise. The Word of God also states that "leaders should be above reproach with a good name amongst the flock" (Even though the present life has been remitted by the Blood we are still dealing with human nature. This is not to say we do not share our deliverence but on the contrary through wisdom. The Word of God also states, "Let not your good be evil spoken of"
True Leaders that are trully called of God into spiritual leadership and who are sound in Word and strong meat will be wise before the flock.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 22, 2006 10:03:13 GMT -5
Even though the Word of God says "That we over came the Evil One by the Blood of the Lamb and the Word of our Testimony", the Word of God also states the we should "Walk in Wisdom with those without redeeming the time" And He that win a soul is wise. The Word of God also states that "leaders should be above reproach with a good name amongst the flock" (Even though the present life has been remitted by the Blood we are still dealing with human nature. This is not to say we do not share our deliverence but on the contrary through wisdom. The Word of God also states, "Let not your good be evil spoken of" True Leaders that are trully called of God into spiritual leadership and who are sound in Word and strong meat will be wise before the flock. Excellent! |
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Post by livinganewlife on May 23, 2006 16:14:25 GMT -5
I don't know why there is so much emphasis today being put on transparency. It's like a new badge of righteousness or something. Again this transparency phenomenon reminds me of how in the 80's all evangelist had these long drawn out dramatized sinful lives that they overcame before coming to Christ. and it was as if you couldn't be an Evangelist unless you were once strung out on drugs, ex prostitute or something major had to go down in your life in order to evangelize folks to Christ. It is just funny to me, as the other day someone was complaining because their Pastor was not transparent enough; and I simply told them that the Saint's are not ready for transparent leaders..... They want folks to be transparent who they don't have to sit under every Sunday or Wednesday night..... |
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Post by Beulah5 on May 25, 2006 4:17:19 GMT -5
The church has turned into nothing but a media circus. It tells me what level i am at if i just cant take straight bible teaching but have to receive it from some sensationalised hyped up testimony.
I referred to this in my post on the telling folks ur business post-who actually cares?
Teach the word of God and stop yakking endlessly-which one of us hasnt God brought out of something?
I have found that Jesus is not enough for this generation of church goers we continually need folks that we can 'identify' with or who can identify with us before we can receive the truth of the word which makes me question if people really know the Christ that they purpport to be serving.
No difference from what the celebs and media do. None whatsoever
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Post by livinganewlife on May 25, 2006 6:09:57 GMT -5
Teach the word of God and stop yakking endlessly-which one of us hasnt God brought out of something? I have found that Jesus is not enough for this generation of church goers we continually need folks that we can 'identify' with or who can identify with us before we can receive the truth of the word which makes me question if people really know the Christ that they purpport to be serving. |
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Post by inhishand on May 25, 2006 7:57:09 GMT -5
I don't know why there is so much emphasis today being put on transparency. It's like a new badge of righteousness or something. Transparency concerning the Word is more important to me than whether or not my pastor reveals that he once kissed a man; even though transparency from a messenger can have it's place at times. I want to ask this question..... Do you believer that God have anointed selected ministers to minister His Word through their testimonies and past to set those who are in bondage free? I have witnessed people getting delivered through transparency. What is dangerous, when an individual not anointed by God to minister or operates deliverent on that level. The problem is when other ministers try to copy off of those God anointed to be transparent. Transparency is not for everybody, God gave each individual away to deliver His Word and minister to the lost and His people, everybody do not operates the same. When one operates outside God's anointing, they can cause a person to go deeper into bondage, instead of setting them free. In His Hand |
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Post by Nikkol on May 25, 2006 8:13:42 GMT -5
INHISHAND:
Good points.
It really comes down to being anointed to do. I think that Paul was very transparent in his letters of what he use to do. I think what is said is that for those who first come in, they'll tell you what they did and how God delivered them and it isn't until they learn "church" that many stop telling their stories. There is liberty in being transparent knowing that for every 10 church folk that may look at you differently it was worth it for the one soul who was able to find deliverance.... then again, our work is for those who are without.
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Post by Beulah5 on May 25, 2006 8:36:47 GMT -5
Paul taught the scriptures and when he needed to he shared his testimony.
Our current leaders do not teach the word -just experience and that in itself never has power to save for it is only by the word are we made clean.
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Post by ybrown on May 25, 2006 11:39:25 GMT -5
I don't know why there is so much emphasis today being put on transparency. It's like a new badge of righteousness or something. Transparency concerning the Word is more important to me than whether or not my pastor reveals that he once kissed a man; even though transparency from a messenger can have it's place at times. I want to ask this question..... Do you believer that God have anointed selected ministers to minister His Word through their testimonies and past to set those who are in bondage free? I have witnessed people getting delivered through transparency. What is dangerous, when an individual not anointed by God to minister or operates deliverent on that level. The problem is when other ministers try to copy off of those God anointed to be transparent. Transparency is not for everybody, God gave each individual away to deliver His Word and minister to the lost and His people, everybody do not operates the same. When one operates outside God's anointing, they can cause a person to go deeper into bondage, instead of setting them free. In His Hand Transparency does have its place, but even that requires discernment nowadays. And I agree that transparency can help some get delivered, but if there is no discernment, it can be be a hinderance. I have a perfect example. One day I was watching a preacher on television (actually the one that brought me to Christ a couple of years earlier). He was giving a part of his testimony on obedience and how he got delivered from selfishness. He was being "transparent" and told this story about how God told him to give away five of his favorite suits. He told how he wrestled with God, finally obeyed after much coaxing and got rewarded in the end with five brand new suits. Okay, good story. Now forward a few months later, I was listening to another preacher who was being "transparent" giving his testimony on obedience and giving. He started to tell his story and it began to sound very familiar. Too familar. He went on and told the EXACT same story. Word for word. Same details, everything. That stunned me because I trusted the preacher first preacher. A year later, I heard yet again, a third preacher tell the same suit story with the exact events and same dialogue and wrestling with God. Now there is a chance that God had to teach all three of them the same lesson, using the same amount of suits, telling them the same things, but that's highly unlikely. Did they not have testimonies of their own to tell? I wonder even today who was telling the truth because at least two, if not all of them were lying. My point is, no matter what anyone says, even if its an attempt to be transparent, discernment is required on the individual's part. Because those "transparent" stories you hear can sometime be just that, stories. |
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Post by hezsweetiknow on May 25, 2006 12:01:57 GMT -5
Now there is a chance that God had to teach all three of them the same lesson, using the same amount of suits, telling them the same things, but that's highly unlikely. Did they not have testimonies of their own to tell? I wonder even today who was telling the truth because at least two, if not all of them were lying. My point is, no matter what anyone says, even if its an attempt to be transparent, discernment is required on the individual's part. Because those "transparent" stories you hear can sometime be just that, stories.
Bishop Noel Jones said on the air that he receives numerous calls from pastors asking him to prepare a message for them to deliver on a Sunday morning and they would pay him for it.
I sat there in my car with my mouth wide open.
So three ministers telling the same testimony as if it were their own...would tie-in with what Bishop Jones experienced -- if indeed these ministers were plagarizing.
Pastors/leaders with no time to seek God for a Word who are more than willing to use someone elses preached word/testimony.
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Post by ybrown on May 25, 2006 12:54:31 GMT -5
How do you feel about sites like this one? I'm thinking that a lot of preachers aren't spending the time with God if a site like this is warranted. That makes me wonder where is the anointing, the leading or the hand of God on pastors/preachers that need to go to a place like this in order to feed their own flocks. I can understand using it to aid in a message, but not using it to GET your message. www.sermons.com/default.html |
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Post by hezsweetiknow on May 25, 2006 13:14:01 GMT -5
How do you feel about sites like this one? I'm thinking that a lot of preachers aren't spending the time with God if a site like this is warranted. That makes me wonder where is the anointing, the leading or the hand of God on pastors/preachers that need to go to a place like this in order to feed their own flocks. I can understand using it to aid in a message, but not using it to GET your message. www.sermons.com/default.html
Oh please don't get me started on this one! I had the opportunity to hear a pastor preach on two occasions. Both times, he preached from a book of prepackaged sermons.
I promise, as he started his message, I walked to the sound room and by the time I got to the back of the church and in the sound room, he had READ through the message and was at the "hoop".
I remember asking the pastor's wife...what did I miss? How did we get here so fast?
And yep, folk hollering, preach preacha! |
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Post by ybrown on May 25, 2006 13:40:13 GMT -5
How do you feel about sites like this one? I'm thinking that a lot of preachers aren't spending the time with God if a site like this is warranted. That makes me wonder where is the anointing, the leading or the hand of God on pastors/preachers that need to go to a place like this in order to feed their own flocks. I can understand using it to aid in a message, but not using it to GET your message. www.sermons.com/default.html
Oh please don't get me started on this one! I had the opportunity to hear a pastor preach on two occasions. Both times, he preached from a book of prepackaged sermons.
I promise, as he started his message, I walked to the sound room and by the time I got to the back of the church and in the sound room, he had READ through the message and was at the "hoop".
I remember asking the pastor's wife...what did I miss? How did we get here so fast?
And yep, folk hollering, preach preacha! That is too funny and a shame. ;D The discernment on the part of the laity is so weak that they don't recognize the lack of power in both the message and that which comes forth from the preacher. As long as they accept the pre-packaged messages as food filled with all the preservatives, then the preacher is not going to go out in the fields and trenches and bring back the fresh, God-given food which is capable to sustain beyond week after week. That pre-packaged stuff has no sustenance. That's why the flocks are always looking for something new to tickle their senses. The stuff that God gives is filling and satisfying when you eat it. It's all naturale!  |
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