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Post by Nikkol on Nov 15, 2006 16:44:39 GMT -5
A few points:
1) I can't really determine who is praising God "for real" vs. who is praising God "for fake". Or even who's praise is accepted. Because the truth be told, the one that I think is praising God could be fake and the one that seems too "wild" may be praising God for real. Besides, if I spend my time watching and trying to "discern" whether someone is praising God for real or not, I am missing out on opportunities to praise God myself.
2) I am very careful about my view of music and what is considered right and not. Music goes through genres and unless we are going to go back to singing cantatas and reciatatives, we really can't say much about music. Gospel in and of itself is a mixture of jazz/blues and spiritual songs. Hence why Precious Lord was considered "worldly" to some. Keeping that in mind, we must also remember that not everyone has gone to the clubs and therefore certain music isn't going to cause them to go back into the world or want to go to a club. Music continues to change and it seems mainly in "African American" music do we try to put a "stamp of approval" on one particular type rather than another. Some of those that don't like some of the new songs because they sound worldly or have the same chord progression (there's nothing new under the sun) will be the same ones singing "Jesus is the best thing that ever happened" and that be seen as ok. Some will sing "He looked beyond my faults and saw my needs" don't know that it came from "O Danny Boy" and even an earlier song before that. (I'm thinking Londendary Aire). It has also been talked about how many of the hymns came from irish/Scottish songs as well.
3. I personally don't like rap..... however, I listen to some of the Words and it has more scripture and more substance than some songs that are deemed "proper". I think that there should be a balance within music. I think that we all agree that God gives each of us a "praise" which is different from everyone else and being that we're not robots, our way of expressing will not always be the same puzzle piece, but part of the same puzzle.
3) People looked at David who danced his clothes off (still not sure how he did that one) and there was one in particular that made it seem like it was wrong and probably a disgrace to God and that individual became barren.... I think that that goes to show that what one person may call praise may not always line up with what God calls praise.
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Post by stillfocused on Nov 15, 2006 17:18:15 GMT -5
I said it before and I' ll say it again. There is no reverance for God..no fear. Even though some of things that have been called " praise" is not that at all; yet, it's doing what one wants to do. No, you don't have to have a "dance", yet, there must be some awareness of what pleases God. People don't have to go the club anymore; they can go to church and do the same thing they did when they were in the world. So why should they make a commitment to be sold for Jesus. The Bible says that we are to cast off the old man..you can tell whose faking and whose not. Mature believers will not go back to what they did in the clubs..you may not and I may not..yet, are some out there teaching that's okay to "dance" for the Lord..and might just see anything. How many of you remember the dance "The Dog"; I am quite sure if someone broke out within in the house of the Lord..you would be high offended. I am talking about people doing dances in the house of the Lord that are just pure sensual..and we're wondering how our Pastors, Leaders, and laymen are following in sexual immorality. I am reminded where there is no vision the people perish..or should I say were there is no revelation the people are unrestrained. Proverbs 29:19
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Post by stillfocused on Nov 15, 2006 17:23:50 GMT -5
By the way has anyone ever heard this..."moshing for Jesus" ? Alot of the dances that are done in the club today have roots that are purely demonic..so why do we have to accept that ?
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Post by Jasmine on Nov 15, 2006 18:30:26 GMT -5
A few points: 1) I can't really determine who is praising God "for real" vs. who is praising God "for fake". Or even who's praise is accepted. Because the truth be told, the one that I think is praising God could be fake and the one that seems too "wild" may be praising God for real. Besides, if I spend my time watching and trying to "discern" whether someone is praising God for real or not, I am missing out on opportunities to praise God myself. 2) I am very careful about my view of music and what is considered right and not. Music goes through genres and unless we are going to go back to singing cantatas and reciatatives, we really can't say much about music. Gospel in and of itself is a mixture of jazz/blues and spiritual songs. Hence why Precious Lord was considered "worldly" to some. Keeping that in mind, we must also remember that not everyone has gone to the clubs and therefore certain music isn't going to cause them to go back into the world or want to go to a club. Music continues to change and it seems mainly in "African American" music do we try to put a "stamp of approval" on one particular type rather than another. Some of those that don't like some of the new songs because they sound worldly or have the same chord progression (there's nothing new under the sun) will be the same ones singing "Jesus is the best thing that ever happened" and that be seen as ok. Some will sing "He looked beyond my faults and saw my needs" don't know that it came from "O Danny Boy" and even an earlier song before that. (I'm thinking Londendary Aire). It has also been talked about how many of the hymns came from irish/Scottish songs as well. 3. I personally don't like rap..... however, I listen to some of the Words and it has more scripture and more substance than some songs that are deemed "proper". I think that there should be a balance within music. I think that we all agree that God gives each of us a "praise" which is different from everyone else and being that we're not robots, our way of expressing will not always be the same puzzle piece, but part of the same puzzle. 3) People looked at David who danced his clothes off (still not sure how he did that one) and there was one in particular that made it seem like it was wrong and probably a disgrace to God and that individual became barren.... I think that that goes to show that what one person may call praise may not always line up with what God calls praise. amen. |
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Post by Nikkol on Nov 15, 2006 18:55:19 GMT -5
How many of you remember the dance "The Dog"; I am quite sure if someone broke out within in the house of the Lord..you would be high offended. I actually have never heard of that dance in my life..... |
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Post by stillfocused on Nov 15, 2006 20:14:56 GMT -5
It maybe called something else where you come from. There was a song many years, ago where the lead singer talked about the "dog"..he actually asked "why must I respect the cat".
Anyway, there whenever the song came..people would start dancing..with the male usually imitating a dog..with his leg up. I read this passage of scripture today..
I Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders ? Do you not judge those who are within the church ?
In light of what was saying to the Corinthians..how does fit into all the things that we allow to go in the presence of the Lord.
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Post by Jasmine on Nov 16, 2006 13:22:41 GMT -5
I said it before and I' ll say it again. There is no reverance for God..no fear. Even though some of things that have been called " praise" is not that at all; yet, it's doing what one wants to do. No, you don't have to have a "dance", yet, there must be some awareness of what pleases God. People don't have to go the club anymore; they can go to church and do the same thing they did when they were in the world. So why should they make a commitment to be sold for Jesus. The Bible says that we are to cast off the old man..you can tell whose faking and whose not. Mature believers will not go back to what they did in the clubs..you may not and I may not..yet, are some out there teaching that's okay to "dance" for the Lord..and might just see anything. How many of you remember the dance "The Dog"; I am quite sure if someone broke out within in the house of the Lord..you would be high offended. I am talking about people doing dances in the house of the Lord that are just pure sensual..and we're wondering how our Pastors, Leaders, and laymen are following in sexual immorality. I am reminded where there is no vision the people perish..or should I say were there is no revelation the people are unrestrained. Proverbs 29:19 Pastor, leaders and laymen are falling into sexual immorality, because they struggle with a LUST DEMON, and won't put their flesh to subjection, and get delivered. You must understand...demonic influences are real.. but do we not have enough power to be victorious in every area of our lives? |
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Post by anointedteacher on Nov 16, 2006 15:16:34 GMT -5
When it come to praising God.... You don't even have to be saved. The rat can praise God. Everything thats have breath can praise the Lord. Yes, a sinner can praise God. You don't have to wait till something hit you and cause you to be out of control to praise God. Praise is different from Worship.... With praise you can dance (not worldly night club dance)... God can give you a holy dance, you can clap your hands, stomp your feet and shout with aloud voice! You don't have to be caught up in the Spirit. When the present of God comes in.... Those that are oppressed or possessed with evil spirits sometime begin to manifest, that when those that are alert and working the floor, need to discern. Everybody is not in the Holy Spirit, some are in another spirit. I have seen people drop to the floor and start moving like a snake or dog or the spirits start screaming out, it depend on how strong the anointing. I do believe in dancing in the Holy Spirit, not beating people up, knocking over chairs or kicking male floor workers in the G  .... Those who are out to perform, might catch another spirit  . AT |
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Post by krazeeboi on Nov 21, 2006 6:04:53 GMT -5
I wish somebody would kick me in the jewels and try to blame it on the Holy Ghost.
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Post by hezsweetiknow on Nov 21, 2006 14:10:56 GMT -5
I guess we should remember that praise is not directed to any man. It's up to God whether He receives or not. The bible is very clear...Let everything that hath breath...praise the Lord. You can't tell me sinners can't praise. They can cause they got breath. Now whether its accepted is something else and then I think we're getting in God's business and we should really let God handle that. Lord there are so many other things that trouble the body of Christ! And God corrected me a long time ago on something similar. God is multi-faceted. My way of praise and worship is not the only way and it certainly isn't THE only right way praise and worship should go forth. Not everybody can get down with the pentecostal shuffle. That's cool. I personally do not like extra twangy Country gospel. Think The Gathers. Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean that God's not eating it up! Some churches will sing a hymn and all 200 verses with a full orchestra backing them...who am I to say that God is not pleased with that? Who says God wants the same thing in our praise and worship everytime we come together? I found out you better be in the Spirit and find out what God is requiring for that service on that day. Cause one Sunday He may not want the Hammond B3 screaming! You may find yourself with a dance partner or in one big circle doing a collective style dance (think Jewish or Greek dancing). God is big enough and God enough to have different tastes when it comes to praise. Why else would there be so many different styles? Again...get in the Spirit and let God decide what is acceptabe or no. Trust me, He will let you know! Nikkol, thank you for the word on music. It has troubled me to no end to hear folk say that God's not in this style of music just because it is unfamiliar to them. But let "He brought me from a mighty long way" be sung which is STRAIGHT UP BLUES and brothers and sisters are swooning. Some of them having serious flashbacks from being in the club back in the day! But because BLUES is familiar and fully integrated into the church, ain't nothing wrong with it! Correct me if I'm wrong but B.B and Lucille wasn't singing about Jesus! If I wanna get my praise on to DaTruth who spit serious word in his rhymes...God ain't in it?  I beg your pardon? Since when do we dictate a move of God? Who are we to tell God what He must like and dislike. The nerve! We better get in the Spirit. There's a song that says....There is a flow in the Spirit, teach us dear Lord to enter in... Please Father. Help us get in the flow. |
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Post by hezsweetiknow on Nov 21, 2006 14:19:06 GMT -5
I wish somebody would kick me in the jewels and try to blame it on the Holy Ghost. ROTFL!!! |
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Post by Jasmine on Nov 21, 2006 14:43:15 GMT -5
I guess we should remember that praise is not directed to any man. It's up to God whether He receives or not. The bible is very clear...Let everything that hath breath...praise the Lord. You can't tell me sinners can't praise. They can cause they got breath. Now whether its accepted is something else and then I think we're getting in God's business and we should really let God handle that. Lord there are so many other things that trouble the body of Christ! And God corrected me a long time ago on something similar. God is multi-faceted. My way of praise and worship is not the only way and it certainly isn't THE only right way praise and worship should go forth. Not everybody can get down with the pentecostal shuffle. That's cool. I personally do not like extra twangy Country gospel. Think The Gathers. Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean that God's not eating it up! Some churches will sing a hymn and all 200 verses with a full orchestra backing them...who am I to say that God is not pleased with that? Who says God wants the same thing in our praise and worship everytime we come together? I found out you better be in the Spirit and find out what God is requiring for that service on that day. Cause one Sunday He may not want the Hammond B3 screaming! You may find yourself with a dance partner or in one big circle doing a collective style dance (think Jewish or Greek dancing). God is big enough and God enough to have different tastes when it comes to praise. Why else would there be so many different styles? Again...get in the Spirit and let God decide what is acceptabe or no. Trust me, He will let you know! Nikkol, thank you for the word on music. It has troubled me to no end to hear folk say that God's not in this style of music just because it is unfamiliar to them. But let "He brought me from a mighty long way" be sung which is STRAIGHT UP BLUES and brothers and sisters are swooning. Some of them having serious flashbacks from being in the club back in the day! But because BLUES is familiar and fully integrated into the church, ain't nothing wrong with it! Correct me if I'm wrong but B.B and Lucille wasn't singing about Jesus! If I wanna get my praise on to DaTruth who spit serious word in his rhymes...God ain't in it? I beg your pardon? Since when do we dictate a move of God? Who are we to tell God what He must like and dislike. The nerve! We better get in the Spirit. There's a song that says....There is a flow in the Spirit, teach us dear Lord to enter in... Please Father. Help us get in the flow. PREACH!!! |
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Post by hezsweetiknow on Nov 21, 2006 14:48:51 GMT -5
One more thing while I'm thinking about it...LOL!
You have to ask...what is going on in our churches where the enemy can come in and mock God?
What kind of atmosphere have we created that allows this foolishness?
A former member of our church told us of the antics in her former church. The devil dressed up as a clown and came to church, folk have come charging the altar cursing, the devil came and gropped one of the altar workers. What in the world? What is really working in that ministry that the devil is so bold?
I tell you what...true power is missing. True anointing is missing. You don't here of this foolishness in a house that strives for the manifest presence of God, who strive for holiness (not that man-made stuff either). Where God is reverenced, where God is worshipped, you tell me how the enemy can cut up in that atmosphere?
So if you've got folk making a mockery of the things of God (which is different from a sinner coming and sensing the presence of God and praises out of that response) you have got to ask, what is going on in the ministry? What is going on with leadership?
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Post by Jasmine on Nov 21, 2006 15:06:53 GMT -5
I wish somebody would kick me in the jewels and try to blame it on the Holy Ghost. lolol Want to hear something funny? I am a Praise team leader and we had a very historical event. It was our first concert and our last musical in our church before we tear it down. MAN people were shouting all over the place and this guy ran up to the altar and begin shouting...but when he was shouting he was kicking his leg up..and I was ok. I need to stand back before he kicks me. He kicked a couple of men folks that were standing around the other brothers who were shouting. Man..this brother kicked his leg up so high that when it came back down, he lost his balance and fell..but when he fell he knocked himself out.. Man that was the funniest thing I had ever saw. All I could say was bless him Jesus. Now I can't tell you if it was real. I can't tell you if it was fake..but my GOD it shoul was funny. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Nov 22, 2006 17:51:09 GMT -5
ROFL! Hahahaha!
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.... Those who are out to perform, might catch another spirit 
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