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Post by keita on Oct 30, 2006 11:55:11 GMT -5
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 30, 2006 12:38:10 GMT -5
Not in the mood for a discussion???  sure I am in the mood!  I said never mind to this: Because my point was missed - that's all. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 30, 2006 12:39:13 GMT -5
Why is it when it is mentioned that Jesus is black people get in an uproar, but if he was Asian, Latin or Jewish NO ONE would be concerned..... Are we subliminally perpetuating self hatred by not wanting to discus the "true" race of Jesus.... No I don't believe so, but that is just my opinion. And who is in an uproar? We are discussing. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 30, 2006 12:41:08 GMT -5
I was never taught that Jesus was white. And whenever one come to me with Jesue was white (or any color for that matter) I at that time seek to educate them.
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Post by keita on Oct 30, 2006 13:00:13 GMT -5
I said never mind to this: Because my point was missed - that's all. ASWSOY, I was really just teasing you (regarding the term "black posts"). I'm very sorry if you thought I missed your point. But with all due respect, in posting this: I just get soooooo tired of the "black" posts. Yes I am black but ....... oh nevermind, it's not worth it. imho, you kinda quit before you finished making it. I was never taught that Jesus was white. I think that's really unique and therefore makes your perspective even more interesting, at least to me. Could you share what you were taught about Jesus as a human being? What do you tell them? |
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 30, 2006 14:51:19 GMT -5
Why is it when it is mentioned that Jesus is black people get in an uproar, but if he was Asian, Latin or Jewish NO ONE would be concerned..... Are we subliminally perpetuating self hatred by not wanting to discus the "true" race of Jesus.... No I don't believe so, but that is just my opinion. And who is in an uproar? We are discussing. I didn't mean you personally are in an uproar........ I mean people (general) become uncomfortable when one is discussing Jesus' race especially when he is depicted as "black" or darker skin tone..... It's almost perceived as "How dare one(general) suggest that the King of the World was of "dark" skin tone...." It is quite interesting that you were brought up believing that Jesus was a tan skinned person... In the churches I attended Jesus was ALWAYS portrayed as a white male with long blond hair and blue eyes.......and that is the ignorance that we need to stop!!! I wouldn't dare to say that Jesus had fully negroid features either, however we know he was from the middle eastern Jewish descent and couldn't possible be white.... |
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Post by Beck on Oct 30, 2006 15:23:52 GMT -5
How does people feel that its possible that Jesus was 5 foot or shorter and was very unattractive based upon research of Jewish men that lived during those times... ?
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 30, 2006 16:05:43 GMT -5
How does people feel that its possible that Jesus was 5 foot or shorter and was very unattractive based upon research of Jewish men that lived during those times... ? I am having a difficulty responding to this, based on my answer of " None of that matters", or it shouldn't, and your rebuttle could be that then why does his color matter so much. Then my response would have to be, we don't see false falacies being built upon those issues like the ones we see about his "color" of skin. |
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 30, 2006 16:06:06 GMT -5
How does people feel that its possible that Jesus was 5 foot or shorter and was very unattractive based upon research of Jewish men that lived during those times... ? Referencing Isaiah53:2 there is no beauty that we should desire him... According to the Bible Jesus was not the next Versace/ Calvin Klein spokesmodel as man has portrayed. I don't understand why we aren't upset over the Homosexual model who's face on these paintings is being represented as Jesus! |
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 30, 2006 23:08:26 GMT -5
Its really not about that. However you have to also understand that a particular truth over the course of history has been PURPOSEFULLY altered, and that this deception has opened the door for other deceptionss. It very well may not matter to you whatsoever, and it doesnt matter in terms of salvation because we are not saved by the color of JESUS's skin, nor do black people get any extra credit because he is a man of color... What amazes me is that I know people of other backgrounds that readily admit and acknowledge that Jesus is a man of color yet many times the people of color have more of an issue with this than other people do. The reality is that it is a truth. And we should be for all truth not just the ones we are comfortable with. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 31, 2006 9:05:49 GMT -5
This is a reference that gives an account of what Jesus looked like in scripture and we also know from his lineage that there were people of what today we would call African descent in his bloodline.
Revelation 1
1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
1:14 His head and [His] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and His eyes [were] as a flame of fire;
1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and His voice as the sound of many waters.
1:16 And He had in His right hand seven stars: and out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and His countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength. (KJV translation)
The reality is that MOST of the people in the Bible would be people of color because the Bible takes place in a region where the people have color..
Now in all honesty I dont know what color the cross was.. It was wood.. Type of wood unknown.. could have been a dark wood or a lighter wood.. HAW HAW HAW !!
but thank God there was one...
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 31, 2006 13:46:03 GMT -5
I read the information on the link Keita posted:
What if the motive behind the Crucifixion (not the God's divine plan part, but the physical act itself) actually had racial undertones?
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Post by keita on Oct 31, 2006 14:33:29 GMT -5
New movie looks at Jesus' racial heritage (suggests Crucifixion was racially motivated)
Catholic News Service ^ | October 12, 2006 | Mark Pattison
Posted on 10/13/2006 2:52:25 PM PDT by NYer
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- Jesus is coming again to the big screen. This time his appearance will not be as heralded as it was three years ago in Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ," which collected more than $370 million in box office receipts. "Color of the Cross," which depicts Jesus as an African Jew, will debut on only 30 screens -- mostly in urban centers -- when the movie is released Oct. 27. While Gibson wrote and directed his film, Jean-Claude LaMarre tops him in that he wrote, directed and played Jesus in "Color of the Cross." He also composed the score, the first film score in LaMarre's career. LaMarre said he hopes word of mouth will expand the film's reach to 200 screens by the Nov. 10-12 weekend. "I don't think Mel Gibson holds a monopoly on the story of Jesus," said LaMarre, the son of a Protestant minister who attended a seminary himself to see whether he had a ministerial calling. "That was a successful film and widely received by the Christian community, so I don't mind being compared to it." LaMarre's acting turn turned out to be the film's savior. "My intention was not to be in the movie. The subject was so big I didn't want to do it," LaMarre told Catholic News Service in a telephone interview from Los Angeles, where he was working on another film project. "But our lead (actor) fell out 24 hours before we were to shoot, so I just jumped in." He discussed the degree of difficulty in shaping "Color of the Cross." "It was certainly the most challenging (film) in that it required a lot more research than anything I'd done before it. When you're dealing with the subject of religion, you have to be very careful about the amount of attention you pay to details You have to pay attention to the facts. You can't be too flippant, or you might really offend or agitate the very people you're trying to make the film for. In those regards, it was very exhausting," he said. "But on the other hand, as an actor it was probably one of the easier roles I've ever played," despite one-day notice on landing the lead role, LaMarre added. "When you're a writer-director, you live with the vision of the picture for years. You know every character in the movie intimately. When I write, I act out the roles anyway as a way of developing texture with the characters. ... I'd lived with the character for two years." The assertion that Jesus was an Afro-Asiatic Jew led Father George Stallings, then a priest of the Archdiocese of Washington, to split from the Catholic Church in United States. He used the assertion to launch the breakaway African-American Catholic Congregation in 1989. Now Archbishop Stallings, he incurred automatic excommunication in 1990. LaMarre said he wasn't necessarily making the same assertion himself, but saw the movie "closer to the what-if scenario." "I'm not a theologian and I'm not a sociologist; I'm a filmmaker with a point of view. It's just my opinion," he said. "Here's a new way to look at a story that we're all familiar with and then let the audience decide." He took note of Gibson's troubles with some Jewish leaders over the depiction of Jews in "The Passion of the Christ." Some charged that the movie blamed the Jews collectively for the death of Jesus. "I have screened the film for several rabbis who absolutely loved the film," LaMarre said of his own movie. "One of the issues from the onset that I wanted to tackle was presenting the Sanhedrin, the priests of Jesus' day, as a multifaceted organization with different points of view, not just one anti-Jesus body. We in this film present arguments, (with) rabbis presenting different arguments they probably would have had within the chambers." If "Color of the Cross" proves successful, LaMarre is positioned to make other films in a similar vein, available through an online service he has created called blackchristianmovies.com[/color][/url], a DVD movie service.
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Post by Beck on Nov 1, 2006 10:29:51 GMT -5
this is the problem I have with movies dealing with Jesus.. if you gonna do a movie... dont do it out of CONTEXT... If jesus was black, then the disciples were black, and the people of the area was black. Just let the story remain as its supposed to be.. Wounded,bruised, chastised, keys taken, victory gained, redeemed... WE WIN..Bottom line.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Nov 1, 2006 11:16:34 GMT -5
this is the problem I have with movies dealing with Jesus.. if you gonna do a movie... dont do it out of CONTEXT... If jesus was black, then the disciples were black, and the people of the area was black. Just let the story remain as its supposed to be.. Wounded,bruised, chastised, keys taken, victory gained, redeemed... WE WIN..Bottom line. amen |
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