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Post by kanyon on Feb 19, 2007 14:47:53 GMT -5
AT I was addressing the issue non specific to my case. I was speaking generally. It seems like some (not all) women have to go through a whole bunch of religious/church changes once they get married. Kanyon can you please explain to me how obedience is its own reward? Break it down my brother!! Thanks!! Paul is very specific about the role of children to their parents wife to husband and husband to god. Knowing that we are obedient to the word of God, regardless of what we may see or feel is in fact its own reward. Lucifer didn't get it and he has been trying ever since to convince many to resist the word of God, and accompany him to the place where it is considerably warmer than it is here. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 19, 2007 17:37:44 GMT -5
AT I was addressing the issue non specific to my case. I was speaking generally. It seems like some (not all) women have to go through a whole bunch of religious/church changes once they get married. Kanyon can you please explain to me how obedience is its own reward? Break it down my brother!! Thanks!! Generally speaking..... No One should in an unhappy state for life... God should do the planting... Not Man, He have given each person purpose and callings.... He put the person in the place to be develope to fulfil what He called them to do, Not Man (mankind). If a woman is so unhappy about the church she and her husband is attending.... She should go before God and listen and obey His voice over All other voices... Church should be a Blessing and not a curse.... God's blessing leave no sorry.... If sorry is all a woman get out of a church, even if her husband is ok... there is something wrong. Again, a woman should be led by the Holy Spirit and not by man belief and opinoin. The Holy Spirit will not led the person wrong. AT AT |
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Post by kanyon on Feb 19, 2007 17:58:36 GMT -5
AT I was addressing the issue non specific to my case. I was speaking generally. It seems like some (not all) women have to go through a whole bunch of religious/church changes once they get married. Kanyon can you please explain to me how obedience is its own reward? Break it down my brother!! Thanks!! Generally speaking..... No One should in an unhappy state for life... God should do the planting... Not Man, He have given each person purpose and callings.... He put the person in the place to be develope to fulfil what He called them to do, Not Man (mankind). If a woman is so unhappy about the church she and her husband is attending.... She should go before God and listen and obey His voice over All other voices... Church should be a Blessing and not a curse.... God's blessing leave no sorry.... If sorry is all a woman get out of a church, even if her husband is ok... there is something wrong. Again, a woman should be led by the Holy Spirit and not by man belief and opinoin. The Holy Spirit will not led the person wrong. AT AT May I ask what the role of the husband is? The stuff I am referring to is not man made but bible. The role of marriage in the first place was to make two people one flesh and to make a family. Does the Holy Spirit tell the husband one thing then the wife another? Jesus himself said, "A house devided against itself cannot stand. Our biggest problem in the church today is everyone wants to feel good and do whats right in their own eyes. Jesus didn't say when you give your life to me you are going to feel good, He said that we would be hated and murdered for his sake. Anything else is a privilege and a blessing...just putting it out there, nothing persoal. |
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 20, 2007 8:51:58 GMT -5
1. I think that the first thing that we should understand is that when we discuss being "happy", happy is just a feeling. In scripture you'll here about us having joy but very little in terms of being "happy". What does it mean to be "happy"? Isn't happy moreso dealing solely with the flesh? Additionally, I think that people tend to equate being in a church with growth. Although growth can occur in a church setting, the truth be told, we are at work and for some people at our house more than we are at church. Church should be an ADDITION to what we are learning with our spouses/children/personal time.
2. What determines one's call? What determines "fairness" When a person gets married, their calling is to be a wife. To be a support. The relationship between husband and wife should exemplify the relationship between Christ and the church. Not everything in life will be fair. Do we always think that everything that God tells us to do is fair? No. Would we rather do our own thing sometimes? yes. Do we sometimes do our own thing anyway? Yes. Do we find that we should've submitted to God instead? Yes. Same with the relationship with husband/wife. Honestly, no matter what church you find yourself in, whether you like it or not, there is always something that you can do. If you are called to "minister", you don't have to do that in church. There are street corners, work bible studies, women study groups..... the list goes on and on. I think that honestly women (and men) sell themselves short by feeling as the beginning and ending of ministry is based solely on the church building.
3. Interestingly enough, submission is expected for wives to husbands specifically just as husbands are expected to love their wives. Being submissive isn't a bad thing and being able to show obedience in adversity is definitely something that strengthens you as a person. Remembering that the husband is the head of the household. Now he should be a "servant-leader" vs. just a lord over you. At the same time, we still want to be respectful and show the main focus of marriage which is the relationship between Christ and the church.
4. Interesting that you would say the short end of the stick....... it is only "short" depending on what view you are holding as truth. There are two ways of viewing these issues: wordly or "spiritually". In a worldly view, it is seen correct that the woman should be able to "call the shots", if she wants to do something, than she should do it no matter what it does to the husband or the family. While the Christian view is to submit to the husband as the head of the household knowing that although I may not understand, there may be more than what I can see. And if I still think I'm right, discuss it in a way to not put each other in attack and just pray and watch God work it out.
5. If we choose to not submit to our husband and what he is requesting is not sin, we are in disobedience; not only to our husband but to God..... it's tight, but it's right. There is still only one head to a household...
...... FYI I just went to a marriage conference this weekend (Family Life Weekend to Remember) and I've learned SO MUCH and so much of what I said was what I've learned in the conference. I would recommend this for EVERY married couple and even for premarried/engaged couples. It definitely helps you to see things in a different light. If nothing else, it definitely let me know how selfish I can be and if we look at much that was discussed, it is all based on what "WE want.... full of "me, I, myself,etc"
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Post by giantsdodie on Feb 20, 2007 12:13:58 GMT -5
Where did we get this understanding that everything we are going do in life and do for the Lord is going to be something we are happy about or comfortable with ?? Where did we get the understanding that there will be no costs and no suffering? Where did we get the understanding that is I aint happy then it aint God ? When did it become OUR call ( I thought it was HIS call for us ), When did it become MY ministry ( I thought it was HIS ministry THROUGH us ) Do we honestly think that Abraham was necessarily HAPPY being called away from his family and his kinfolk and factor that he had to leave behinghis rightful INHERTANCE to follow a GOD he did not know to a lan GOD hadnt even shown him ?? Was Jospeh HAPPY about being betrayed by his brothers. being thrown in a pit, sold into slavery. being falsely accused of rape and being thrown in a prison  Was David HAPPY about being on the run from the king who he loved but who also wanted skewer him to a wall with a spear ?? Was he happy about that fact that his rise to power and Sauls demise would cost the life of his very best and dearest friend ?? Was Daniel HAPPY about being enslaved and being set up and thrown into a den of lions to be eaten alive ?? Was The Hebrew boys HAPPY about being tied up and being thrown into an oven to be burned ALIVE ?? Was Stephen necessarily HAPPY to be stoned to DEATH by his own people ?? Was Paul HAPPY about being beaten to death, on the run, shipwrecked three times and thrown in prison for the latter part of his life ?? Was James Happy when they killed him in Acts 4 ? They learned how to have JOY which is spiritual and from the Lord but they were not necessarily HAPPY about every situation. |
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 20, 2007 12:23:29 GMT -5
GIANTS:
You hit it on the nose....... I think a lot has to do with "Americanized Christianity" for if/when persecution does come to the US, there will definitely be a different tune.... Think about it..... how is it that unsaved people love to listen to different preachers and yet these unsaved people aren't convicted and see no reason to change....yet with the apostles, they were always, as the song says "running for there life"....
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Post by giantsdodie on Feb 20, 2007 12:28:56 GMT -5
I am just boggled sometimes because I have been in several different ministries in the last few years and I can honestky say that things have happened in each and every one of them that have made me unhappy. Why do we seem to think we need this environment that is perfect situatued for us to help us grow and mature and be all we can be in Jesus ? My first church had literal witches and warlocks wearing collars " ministering " to people. False prophecy and errant teaching left and right. Yet this was the church where God taught me how to pray and how to seek him. This messed up church is where God taught me howto worship Him in Sprit and in Truth. This messed up church is where I learned spiritual warfare. Yup in this messed up church where myself and others characters were assassinated on a daikly basis day after day after day for SIX MONTHS straight. This place where we were talked about on NATIONAL TV several days a week because we were making a stand for righteouesness and refused to get with their program. This was the beginning of training for me. Now I am not saying that situation applies to everyone. I am saying however that GOD can and will use adverse situations to train and equip you... Maybe you are in a ministry that doesnt allow women to minister. Maybe GOD is trying to teach you patience. Maybe God is trying to teach you how to be submissive and obey orders from leadership that you might not necessarily agree with. Maybe this is the season you dont even need to minister a thing, maybe its the season to allow God to fill you so that in the future you actually HAVE something to pour out... The KEY Thing to do is ask GOD... Lord what do you need me to do.. Lord what are you doing in me right now... Lord what are you trying to teach me or show me |
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