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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 24, 2007 12:49:32 GMT -5
In the meantime... In light of our discussion over here, this: ...These are the people who, when worldly troubles strike, may revert to consulting local witchdoctors and Sherman for help... is a very interesting "misprint" in that article. (Maybe it was supposed to be "shaman"? Hmmmm...) ROTFL i needed this laugh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 24, 2007 15:16:55 GMT -5
sherman or merman? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 24, 2007 15:49:19 GMT -5
Ok there are 3 issues here and i want to make sure i understand where everyone is coming from:
1) whether or not spirits live in the sea/do underwater cities exist/mermaids bla bla?
2) when does a work of the flesh cross over into demonic stronghold that is if it does at all especially lust. Is it fair to blame the enemy?
3) Is masturbation caused by a demon or can it?
Am i right?
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 24, 2007 15:57:14 GMT -5
I start off with an article by one of Africa's most well known deliverance ministers just as a foundation.
Revelation 12: 12 says, “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.” This scripture is telling us that there are creatures in the sea, which are also sentenced to the woe that would befall the inhabitants of the earth. In 1 Samuel 5:3, we see the name of a Philistine idol, which in our present day language can stand for mermaid spirit. The name of that idol is ‘dagon’. Dagon was half fish, half woman. So, the mermaid spirit is not a new invention. When the Philistines took the ark of God and brought it into the house of dagon and set it by dagon, something happened. 1 Samuel 5: 3 says, “And when they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold dagon was fallen upon his face to the earth before the ark of the Lord. And they took dagon, and set him in his place again.” By the following day, the thing had scattered.
Ezekiel 29:1 –3: “In the tenth year, in the tenth month, in the twelfth day of the month, the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Pharaoh king of Egypt and prophesy against him and against all Egypt. Speak and say, Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers which hath said, My river is mine own and I have made it for myself.” They had their Pharaoh inside the water.
Isaiah 27: 1 says, “In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.” Ephesians 4: 10 says, “He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens that he might fulfill all things.” When Jesus died, He first of all went down. When He finished there, He arose.
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 24, 2007 15:58:30 GMT -5
One of the most destructive agents in our environment is water spirits.
The Bible talks about three major strongholds:
1. The heavens.
2. The earth.
3. The sea.
The Bible also talks about the queen of heaven, the kings of the earth and the queen of the sea. It is usually a fierce battle when somebody is being attacked from these three places. Genesis 1: 26 says, “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” In the foregoing, we can see these three places mentioned again. The Bible says that we should have dominion over these three principal strongholds: the sea, the air, and the earth. Exodus 20: 3 - 4 says, “Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in (1) heaven above, (2) or that is in the earth beneath, (3) or that is in the water under the earth.” Again, we see the three strongholds: the heaven, the earth and the sea.
Deuteronomy 5: 8 also says, “Thou shall not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth.”
So far, we have seen examples of what we call water spirit. We have also seen scriptures that tell us that they exist. Revelation 10:1-6 is another very interesting scripture to consider. It talks about what some people call the triangular angel. It says, “And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire. And he had in his hands a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth. And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven. And sware by him that liveth forever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer.”
When that angel wanted to cancel what we call time, he had to do it in these three zones. He had his right leg on the sea, his left leg on the earth, and one finger pointing towards heaven before he decreed that there should be time no longer. Therefore, we too, must learn to fight in these three places. Some of us are still battling with forces of the earth not knowing that what is harassing us is in the water. We must also learn to deal with the waters. We must learn to bring the words of God against the rivers and the sea because the forces of the water are very mean. They are resolute and wicked. Their path is marked with blood and they are hard task- masters. They know how to control and manipulate men. They are heartless, patient and subtly destructive. Nothing is safe from their influence. They can lie low for years before striking. They are very stubborn and can be very insultive. They commit fornication with leaders in order to confuse them. Whenever a church leader is caught in adultery or fornication, you can be sure the woman or man involved is from the water.
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 24, 2007 16:00:18 GMT -5
WHY ARE MARINE SPIRITS SO POWERFUL?
Genesis 1: 6 –8 :“And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.” It means that there is water at the top and there is water below, and God used the firmament to divide them. Verses 9 - 10: “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.” God commanded the dry land to appear and commanded the waters to move to one side. Then the dry land, He called earth and the gathering together of the waters, He called seas. It means that everything is from the water.
In verses 6 to 8, when God finished His work on the second day, the Bible did not record that God said it was good. God did not pass any comment on that separation because it is man’s activity that would determine whether that firmament would be good or bad, that is, you determine the nature of your heavens. When the Bible says, “Thy heaven shall be brass,” it makes it personal. So everywhere was water and 85 per cent of the earth is still water. 70 per cent of the human body is water meaning that everything on earth responds to water. When God wanted to deal with Pharaoh, the first place He sent Moses to was the River Nile of Egypt. Pharaoh had an agreement with River Nile. He had an agreement with the waters. He went there very early in the mornings and consulted the gods of the river.
Sometime ago, some fishermen called a sister and told her that they used to see her husband coming to talk to one woman at the sea everyday by 4 a.m. Before then, the woman had been wondering where the man always went early in the mornings. One day, as the man was going to keep his usual appointment by the sea. the woman tiptoed and followed him. He went through a bush path to the lagoon. A woman appeared in front of him and they were discussing. Immediately she moved close, the water spirit told the man to go back home because somebody had followed him there. The man knew that it was his wife and when he got home, he gave her a very serious beating. The woman kept quiet and never told anybody about it. Few years later, the man died, killed by the same water spirit.
Sometime ago, a pastor from a certain Pentecostal church took some people to a lagoon front for water baptism. The exercise went on successfully until one girl was dipped inside the water for immersion. Something gripped her legs and the pastor could not raise her up. A battle started. As he pulled her up, some unseen forces were dragging her down inside the water. The pastor began to speak in tongues and to pray fire prayers which he used to criticize before the girl could be released from the water. Right from that day, he stopped going to the lagoon for baptism. He now uses swimming pools where he can see everything underneath. Beloved, this is a very serious matter.
OUR ANCESTORS AND WATER SPIRITS
If you live in a riverine area or you come from there, you need to really pray. Just as we have mermaids, we also have mermen. God had to disgrace the water spirit in Egypt. He killed the fish that the Egyptians worshipped as gods. Before the purpose of God could be established in many areas, water spirit has to be dealt with. Many nations and many lives will not advance unless this is dealt with. Our forefathers used to worship water spirits. Some even call them their spirit wives and spirit husbands. They gave them names. The Yorubas call it “Yemoja”, the mother of the children of fish. The Binis call it “Olokun,” the owner of the atlantic, some people call it “Ebo”, the owner of the sea. These kinds of things show that our forefathers worshipped them, and these evil spirits dealt with them. You do not expect them to leave you alone if you come from these places or families that are involved in their worship. In riverine areas, there is a lot of sexual looseness. A lot of kings have agreement with water spirits. They manipulate nations. A prototype of the kingdom of earth is also found under the sea.
Nigeria has a river called, River Niger and another one called River Benue. A lot of lives have perished in these rivers. Sometimes when contractors are working on River Niger, you would hear them say, “One nail has fallen down.” They are referring to a human being that had been swallowed by the powers in the river. They magnetize vehicles travelling on bridges. I have personally talked to somebody who went down into the river and was thrown out after six months. The vehicle he was travelling in plunged into a river and everybody in it died except him. All the while he was there, they did not give him their kind of food. His deliverance was something else. He did it 25 times. In Mark 5, when Jesus delivered the man called legion, the evil spirits begged to be sent into the swine and from the swine they ran back into the sea which was their place of origin. There is a very strong link between ancestral spirits and water spirit. Some of our forefathers had powerful charms that enabled them dive into the river and came out with their clothes still dry.
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 24, 2007 16:01:51 GMT -5
GOD’S STRATEGY FOR DEFEATING THEM
1. Raise a lamentation against them.
2. Spread your prayer net to trap them. A prayer net is praying at a specific interval.
3. Use the sword of the Lord, which is the word of God against them.
4. Use the coals of fire against them.
5. Use the thunder and lightening of God against them.
6. Use the blast of the Almighty against them.
7. Be sure that they do not have any investment in your life. If they do, pray out the investment.
8. Live a holy life.
9. Use the headstone of God against them
10. Declare holy war against them.
;D ;D ;D
article by DK Olukoya
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 24, 2007 16:03:02 GMT -5
Ok since my paternal grandma is a high priestess of a water spirit where shall we start re discussion?
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Post by MsKayLander on Sept 24, 2007 16:30:47 GMT -5
Wow Sis.... never heard of this before... have you had any experiences?
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 24, 2007 16:48:51 GMT -5
Do you think these spirits have anything to do with the hurricanes and tsunamis that we are witnessing?
I have heard that hurricanes were the result of our african ancestors being bought into slavery.....
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 24, 2007 16:49:55 GMT -5
oh yes it is very common where i come from. The legends of mermaids, water nymphs,poseidon the god of the sea, mermen and lady of the lake did not come out of nowhere. When the demons were cast out of heaven they fell into the air which now constitutes the 2nd heavens, onto the earth ie forests etc leading to territorial spirits, elves, goblins, fairies worshipped by wiccas and also into the sea. There are underwater cities and just as witches and warlocks astral project into the heavenlies and other places a lot also astral project into the sea. Matter of fact a very prominent american prophetess visited Nigeria and the lord showed her an underwater city where witches and demons assemble to design and create new inventions ie computer games etc to distract and keep mankind so busy that he wont seek his god. Yes i also believe that demons can bethrothe themselves to men/women-not in the natural sense in terms of sex but also exercising the same characteristics. In deliverance services i have heard demons screaming out of people -one spirit was actually trying to convince my pastor at the time that his 'princess was being taken from him' and how he was going to miss her and how he had been nothing but good to her There are people who have visitations from demon spirits so strong in their dreams and in trances where they wake up feeling like they have just had sex. Now there is a line to be drawn between the sin nature and someone who is struggling with healthy emotions and someone like my friend who i wrote about in the 'He is Just not interested post' who used to have this same man visiting her in her dreams and having sex with her to the point that she could feel liquid on her thighs when she woke up. Just like freemasonry there are strong ancestral spirits who are bound to people through ancestral covenants and family dedications through dedications and so even though it might not be one's personal experience there are people who are really really bound in strongholds that we cannot imagine. Early on in my walk with the lord He showed me this verse: Psa 74:20 Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty. It is only by the grace of God that we are kept. But no matter what the enemy might do i also love this verse re our God:
Psa 77:16 The waters saw thee, O God, the waters saw thee; they were afraid: the depths also were troubled.
Psa 77:17 The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound: thine arrows also went abroad.
Psa 77:18 The voice of thy thunder [was] in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook.
Psa 77:19 Thy way [is] in the sea, and thy path in the great waters, and thy footsteps are not known.
Even in the sea and all that is within it-He reigns supreme Regarding my grandma she is just a bad girl but no match for my Jesus
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 24, 2007 16:53:47 GMT -5
Do you think these spirits have anything to do with the hurricanes and tsunamis that we are witnessing? . Absolutely Even the enemy tried it when Jesus was in the boat with His disciples. Re the slavery part of it that is a topic on its own but i personally believe that the fact that the bottom of the atlantic is littered with the bones of innocent people stands as an issue for black folk today.
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 24, 2007 23:59:55 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by anointed on Sept 25, 2007 0:20:57 GMT -5
Questions:
Were the "sons of God" in Genesis who mingled with the daughters of men really angels or the line of Seth who mingeled with the line of Cain? These are the two points of view. If the sons of God are the angels who looked upon the daughters of men, are they tied to the water in some kind of way?
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 25, 2007 4:03:03 GMT -5
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