McDonalds to support Gay Agenda

[Jasmine]

I gues what Im saying , with out saying it is.. I going to eat mcdonalds when I get good and ready.

And whether or not I choose to buy a large frie, is not going to make me MORE or LESS of a Christian who stands for Righteousness. I believe whole heartily in the Word and the message it preaches.

People can attempt to teach my children what they want, However I am my children's first teacher so they will always know what the word of God says, vs what the world says. The worlds agenda, weighs nothing to God's agenda.

Just being honest..and straight forth.

[keita]

beulah5 said:

...whether it be buying clothes from companies like GAP who have been exposed as using underage children in their sweatshops down to the gay agenda.

...i knowingly do not support sweatshops, china's nonsense in darfur and tibet and the list goes on....

AMEN, sis bee!

That part of your post reminded me of this song by my all-time favorite female singing group:

Are My Hands Clean?

Lyrics and music by Bernice Johnson Reagon, 1985
Performed by Sweet Honey in the Rock



I wear garments touched by hands from all over the world
35% cotton, 65% polyester, the journey begins in Central America
In the cotton fields of El Salvador
In a province soaked in blood,
Pesticide-sprayed workers toil in a broiling sun
Pulling cotton for two dollars a day.

Then we move on up to another rung—Cargill
A top-forty trading conglomerate, takes the cotton through the Panama Canal
Up the Eastern seaboard, coming to the US of A for the first time
In South Carolina
At the Burlington mills
Joins a shipment of polyester filament courtesy of
the New Jersey petro-chemical mills of
Dupont

Dupont strands of filament begin in the South American country of Venezuela
Where oil riggers bring up oil from the earth for six dollars a day
Then Exxon, largest oil company in the world,
Upgrades the product in the country of Trinidad and Tobago
Then back into the Caribbean and Atlantic Seas
To the factories of Dupont
On the way to the Burlington mills
In South Carolina
To meet the cotton from the blood-soaked fields of El Salvador

In South Carolina
Burlington factories hum with the business of weaving oil and cotton
into miles of fabric for Sears
Who takes this bounty back into the Caribbean Sea
Headed for Haiti this time—
May she be one day soon free—
Far from the Port-au-Prince palace
Third world women toil doing piece work to Sears specifications
For three dollars a day

My sisters make my blouse

It leaves the third world for the last time
Coming back into the sea to be sealed in plastic for me
This third world sister
And I go to the Sears department store where I buy my blouse
On sale for 20% discount

Are my hands clean?

[And Such Were Some Of You]

I can remember when I was working Customer Service @ MCI a few years back. I received a call from a Christian male requesting to cancel his service. At MCI, it was company procedure that if a customer called in the cancel the account, we must attempt to "save" the customer by offering promos etc. So of course I immediately went into my "saves mode", however the caller stopped me by saying: "Monica, it's not that I don't like your services, its just watched a news conference that stated that MCI is going to support the gay agenda, and it is not something that I want to support by using your services. I am a Christian and to do so would go against my beliefs."

I understood totally. I immediately went out of "saves mode". Again, I say let each be convinced in his own mind.

[keita]

jasmine said:

...I'm going to eat mcdonalds when I get good and ready.

LOL!

Those fries, especially hot and right straight out the grease, can make ya take that very stand, lol!

I may need deliverance to let them go.

Seriously, I don't know what they put in their food, because the actual quality of it (especially the "meat") definitely isn't that great. Yet even as a very picky-eating "foodie", I still sometimes totally crave Mickey D's and when I do, nothing else will satisfy.

And that never happens to me with any other fast food.

[true]

andsuchweresomeofu said:

I can remember when I was working Customer Service @ MCI a few years back. I received a call from a Christian male requesting to cancel his service. At MCI, it was company procedure that if a customer called in the cancel the account, we must attempt to "save" the customer by offering promos etc. So of course I immediately went into my "saves mode", however the caller stopped me by saying: "Monica, it's not that I don't like your services, its just watched a news conference that stated that MCI is going to support the gay agenda, and it is not something that I want to support by using your services. I am a Christian and to do so would go against my beliefs."

I understood totally. I immediately went out of "saves mode". Again, I say let each be convinced in his own mind.

Did you immediately walk out of that job? Did you quit your job that day? Just wondering.

[true]

kitty said:

hey Guys,
I find there are way more scriptures in the bible about the treatment of the poor than there are about gays....

But I don't see that many people looking to apply those scriptures to their lifestyles. We have become so at ease about the treatment of the poor it has become a common theme and business practice.

In fact because of our lack in taking a stand in this area the idea that people can be treated poorly and over worked for nothing has spread from the poor to blue collar jobs, to now white collar jobs to now creating an whole class of people referred to as the working class poor.

How many people make it a point to not buy veggies from store in which the mexicans are paid change to the dollar? How many people make it a point to stop taking flights from airlines that ripe off pilots from their retirement funds? Then want to over work them?

I think it would be a good idea for all of us to take a stand. But i'm not of the idea that I want to go back to creating situations in which gay people are forced back underground and in the closet.

I have to say that I'm not really sure what the "gay agenda" is? If there is a business ower in my area that happens to be gay... But he provides me with a good service and all of his customers with respect then I don't have a problem with him.

This person has to make a living and I'm not of the understanding that God wants them to starve... Anymore than I would not hire a person that was the best for a job because they happen to be gay... I haven't read the scripture in the bible where God say thou shall not hire...

Now what I would do as a Christian is to show them love and kindness, I would be honest about what I believe about their life styles... and most importnatly I would pray for them because God has the power to change them I don't.

Now I don't support gay pride or gay education... But I undestand where those kind of programs come from when we have students that are beat and killed because of their gay status.
Kitty

I love this , thank you.


I know many gay people who love and serve the Lord. And if the Lord wanted to change them he would. I find it so hard to believe that people are discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. Just as I find it hard to believe that as a black woman I am still discriminated against because of the color of my skin not to mention being a woman period.

This is why so many people stay out of the church and some don't come to God. Because church folk is always trying to make them change before they get to God. Not remembering that he allows us come as you are. And then his will is done in our lives.
But if we keep saying no to people who are not like us or don't look like us or speak like us . Then we are excluding a lot of Gods children and that cannot be a good thing. Did Jesus not say it is they who are sick who need a physician not the well. Was he not a friend of sinners? Are we not all sinners? Sin is no surprise to Jesus. He took on ALL our sin so he knows all about sin. He's the ultimate sin knower.

For the record gays and Lesbians aren't going anywhere no time soon. Just as lying , stealing , cheating , murdering and fornication.

It is our job to pray just as we were prayed for. But it is also our job to love just as he loves us. Without judging one another least we be judged. Again, inclusion and not exclusion.

[Jasmine]

keita said:

jasmine said:

...I'm going to eat mcdonalds when I get good and ready.

LOL!

Those fries, especially hot and right straight out the grease, can make ya take that very stand, lol!

I may need deliverance to let them go.

Seriously, I don't know what they put in their food, because the actual quality of it (especially the "meat") definitely isn't that great. Yet even as a very picky-eating "foodie", I still sometimes totally crave Mickey D's and when I do, nothing else will satisfy.

And that never happens to me with any other fast food.

LOL, I may need deliverance as well..Im just a nugget and fry kinda girl.

[Jasmine]

true said:

kitty said:

hey Guys,
I find there are way more scriptures in the bible about the treatment of the poor than there are about gays....

But I don't see that many people looking to apply those scriptures to their lifestyles. We have become so at ease about the treatment of the poor it has become a common theme and business practice.

In fact because of our lack in taking a stand in this area the idea that people can be treated poorly and over worked for nothing has spread from the poor to blue collar jobs, to now white collar jobs to now creating an whole class of people referred to as the working class poor.

How many people make it a point to not buy veggies from store in which the mexicans are paid change to the dollar? How many people make it a point to stop taking flights from airlines that ripe off pilots from their retirement funds? Then want to over work them?

I think it would be a good idea for all of us to take a stand. But i'm not of the idea that I want to go back to creating situations in which gay people are forced back underground and in the closet.

I have to say that I'm not really sure what the "gay agenda" is? If there is a business ower in my area that happens to be gay... But he provides me with a good service and all of his customers with respect then I don't have a problem with him.

This person has to make a living and I'm not of the understanding that God wants them to starve... Anymore than I would not hire a person that was the best for a job because they happen to be gay... I haven't read the scripture in the bible where God say thou shall not hire...

Now what I would do as a Christian is to show them love and kindness, I would be honest about what I believe about their life styles... and most importnatly I would pray for them because God has the power to change them I don't.

Now I don't support gay pride or gay education... But I undestand where those kind of programs come from when we have students that are beat and killed because of their gay status.
Kitty

I love this , thank you.


I know many gay people who love and serve the Lord. And if the Lord wanted to change them he would. I find it so hard to believe that people are discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. Just as I find it hard to believe that as a black woman I am still discriminated against because of the color of my skin not to mention being a woman period.

This is why so many people stay out of the church and some don't come to God. Because church folk is always trying to make them change before they get to God. Not remembering that he allows us come as you are. And then his will is done in our lives.
But if we keep saying no to people who are not like us or don't look like us or speak like us . Then we are excluding a lot of Gods children and that cannot be a good thing. Did Jesus not say it is they who are sick who need a physician not the well. Was he not a friend of sinners? Are we not all sinners? Sin is no surprise to Jesus. He took on ALL our sin so he knows all about sin. He's the ultimate sin knower.

For the record gays and Lesbians aren't going anywhere no time soon. Just as lying , stealing , cheating , murdering and fornication.

It is our job to pray just as we were prayed for. But it is also our job to love just as he loves us. Without judging one another least we be judged. Again, inclusion and not exclusion.

In a couple of your responses you ask :"Are we not all sinners" and to that I say WE were all sinners, but we are redeemed by the blood of the crucified lamb. The bible declares Let the redeemed of the Lord say so. So in saying all that. We are no longer children who walk in darkness.

Second: God has already done what needs to be done, with regards to WHO he made us to be. We (us) tend to move from the way he has made, and travel alternative routes. I cant examine the measure of a man's heart, thats God's job, but one thing is for sure..When we develop a relationship with Christ, We will begin to take on his characteristics.

Third: What are you actually driving at with the word "inclusion" . I need to have a clear picture on what you are saying, because as mentioned earlier, I have read this on several other posts as well.

[And Such Were Some Of You]

true said:

kitty said:

hey Guys,
I find there are way more scriptures in the bible about the treatment of the poor than there are about gays....

But I don't see that many people looking to apply those scriptures to their lifestyles. We have become so at ease about the treatment of the poor it has become a common theme and business practice.

In fact because of our lack in taking a stand in this area the idea that people can be treated poorly and over worked for nothing has spread from the poor to blue collar jobs, to now white collar jobs to now creating an whole class of people referred to as the working class poor.

How many people make it a point to not buy veggies from store in which the mexicans are paid change to the dollar? How many people make it a point to stop taking flights from airlines that ripe off pilots from their retirement funds? Then want to over work them?

I think it would be a good idea for all of us to take a stand. But i'm not of the idea that I want to go back to creating situations in which gay people are forced back underground and in the closet.

I have to say that I'm not really sure what the "gay agenda" is? If there is a business ower in my area that happens to be gay... But he provides me with a good service and all of his customers with respect then I don't have a problem with him.

This person has to make a living and I'm not of the understanding that God wants them to starve... Anymore than I would not hire a person that was the best for a job because they happen to be gay... I haven't read the scripture in the bible where God say thou shall not hire...

Now what I would do as a Christian is to show them love and kindness, I would be honest about what I believe about their life styles... and most importnatly I would pray for them because God has the power to change them I don't.

Now I don't support gay pride or gay education... But I undestand where those kind of programs come from when we have students that are beat and killed because of their gay status.
Kitty

I love this , thank you.


I know many gay people who love and serve the Lord. And if the Lord wanted to change them he would. I find it so hard to believe that people are discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. Just as I find it hard to believe that as a black woman I am still discriminated against because of the color of my skin not to mention being a woman period.

This is why so many people stay out of the church and some don't come to God. Because church folk is always trying to make them change before they get to God. Not remembering that he allows us come as you are. And then his will is done in our lives.
But if we keep saying no to people who are not like us or don't look like us or speak like us . Then we are excluding a lot of Gods children and that cannot be a good thing. Did Jesus not say it is they who are sick who need a physician not the well. Was he not a friend of sinners? Are we not all sinners? Sin is no surprise to Jesus. He took on ALL our sin so he knows all about sin. He's the ultimate sin knower.

For the record gays and Lesbians aren't going anywhere no time soon. Just as lying , stealing , cheating , murdering and fornication.

It is our job to pray just as we were prayed for. But it is also our job to love just as he loves us. Without judging one another least we be judged. Again, inclusion and not exclusion.

Jasmine already touched on the inclusion part so I will wait for an answer to that.

Also, to say that

And if the Lord wanted to change them he would.

implies that God wants the person to remain as they are. There is something that we must do on our part as well. Change didn't come for me until I actually stopped what I was doing and sought change through the Changer. I couldn't just say well I am this way because God didn't change me. That would be absurd.

Also, how are we discriminating against someone by saying that we don't want our money going towards gay marriage, gay pride, gay education etc? I am in no way rejecting the person; I am however rejecting the lifestyle. So how is that judging and not loving when nobody is saying that we have rejected the person. The bible has already judged homosexuality and therefore for me to say that I am against the lifestyle is in fact righteous judgment.

I find it amazing that God calls the sin of homosexuality an abomination but when I as a Christian take a stand that I don't want my money supporting the gay agenda then it is implied that I am judging and that I don't love. Sure, lying is a sin; so are cheating, adultery, fornication etc., therefore I would not want my money supporting anything to further the cause of any of those sins either.

I pray for people. I don't try to change them, but I offer them what was offered to me - Jesus Christ and Him crucified. However, if they choose not to walk that path as I continue to love I will also continue to keep my money in my pocket.

Lastly, understand that by supporting their cause is not drawing them to Jesus - instead it leaves them out there lost for the bible already speaks about where the homosexual will spend eternity.

[true]

A relation between two classes that exists when all members of the first are also members of the second . We are all children of God. There was nothing that was created that wasn't created through him.

With that said I am so done with this thread.

[anointedteacher]

true said:

A relation between two classes that exists when all members of the first are also members of the second . We are all children of God. There was nothing that was created that wasn't created through him.

With that said I am so done with this thread.

Only those who are born again are Children of God....

[kitty]

I think the question is really this...because it is the question that I have...

Is the issue about sin...or about this particular sin?

I ask because I rarely see an Christian agenda going out as a whole about the mistreatment of the poor... And I see plenty of people that will go for thing like a canadiate for an office that is clearly for major sins of business amd riping off people... But as long as they claim to be against abortion and gays then they get a green light...


Kitty

[And Such Were Some Of You]

kitty said:

I think the question is really this...because it is the question that I have...

Is the issue about sin...or about this particular sin?

I ask because I rarely see an Christian agenda going out as a whole about the mistreatment of the poor... And I see plenty of people that will go for thing like a canadiate for an office that is clearly for major sins of business amd riping off people... But as long as they claim to be against abortion and gays then they get a green light...


Kitty

But sis kitty, you don't know every Christian in the world to make such a statement. Many people are doing things for the poor.

And yes, the situation is about sin but this topic is about this particular sin.

And that isn't true about the political candidates but they are deal breakers for me ALONG WITH OTHER ISSUES.

But again, the topic is about the gay agenda and me not wanting to use my money to promote the gay agenda.

[kitty]

As Such,
I completely understand your stand as a sister in Christ.

I do believe that you should do as you feel that God is leading you. And I understand that God may not be having all of us focus on the same issues.

There are things that I know aren't particularly sinful... But they are thing I feel that God drops in my heart not to do. Just because that is where God is with me.

So if God is leading you to take an stand on this issue then i stand behind you in agreement on saying that we should all want to walk in God's perfect will.

But for me personally God isn't calling me to take that kind of a stand... I do feel more of a need to focus on the poor and the oppressed than I do those who are gay. Because ultimately I can't stop them from being gay. Thus unless God heals them I can't stop the results or issues that they will have to deal with in facing God about that.

But I can stop poor people from being mistreated, I can stop people from being riped off, I can stop more people from being placed in the poor house and over worked, I can vote for the canadiate that want to raising living wages for the single mother who is living hand to mouth to raise those 4 kids she didn't abort and is not getting child support for...

So for me I will go on a ledge and say that I'm not really concerned with the "gay agenda" at this time.

But I do feel a caution because I do want to make sure we all don't cross a line... The article you had a link to was about a gay and lesbian business group. Now I honestly do have a problem with them having a business group... But I don't think the point of that group is to "promote" gayness so to speak.

But I think that is clearly open to interpretation...

But I don't want to turn anything into going after them morally any more than I would any other person that is in sin.

Especially because the LAST TIME we all IGNORED the "GAY AGENDA" was when they were marching on washington for the governement to acknowledge the spread of AIDS and to place money for the treatment of the disease... And that was back in 1980..

But because we deemed it a "GAY DISEASE" and many decided that it was God's way of punishing them and sending them to HELL... WE ALL GOT PUNISHED for our lack of love and caring...

Instead the gay disease got in our blood supply and thousands of people who were always innocent... such as children like Ryan White and stable married heterosexual people like Aurther Ashe DIED!

So yes... I agree that no sin is worse than any other.... and I believe that to each of us on this board there are particular sins that get are goats more than others...

But for me... I'll pray for those who are Gay. But God hasn't put it on my heart to be that concerned about the gay agenda...

Kitty

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Wow!

okay, but I don't believe that I was pusing anyone one way or the other. To each, his own.

But honestly, every sin "gets my goat" including the areas I fall short in.