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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 12, 2006 15:21:26 GMT -5
Can you define it for us?
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Post by Beck on Oct 12, 2006 15:22:03 GMT -5
Can you define it for us? Wouldnt that mean spiritual seperation from God because of sin? |
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Post by Beck on Oct 12, 2006 15:25:09 GMT -5
Spiritual death
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In Christian theology, Spiritual Death, sometimes also referred to as the Second Death, is defined as a spiritual separation from God, usually brought on by sin. Christians believe that both spiritual death and physical death (defined in this context to be the separation of the body and the soul) were brought into the world through the The Fall of Man.
Some Christians believe that whereas a man only suffers physical death once, he can suffer spiritual death every time he sins. Others believe that once made alive through Christ, a believer is no longer subject to spiritual death (although he loses a state of fellowship with God when he sins, and must confess to regain this state of fellowship).
Some Christian religions define Hell as the ultimate spiritual death; being completely removed from the presence of God both physically and spiritually.
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 12, 2006 15:54:17 GMT -5
I believe the answer to your question lies in this chapter of Isaiah.
Isaiah 53: 4-11
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Spiritual Death, regards the SOUL of a man. Here it is very clear that Jesus soul was made an offering for SIN. The punishment for SIN, is that the SOUL dies.
The wages of sin is death, the soul that sinneth shall surely die.
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 12, 2006 16:16:52 GMT -5
I think verse 9 is referring to the physical aspects of Christ's crucifixion/burial--he died between two thieves and was buried in another man's tomb (which indicated wealth of some sort).
"Soul" can mean various things throughout the Bible, particularly the Old Testament; it doesn't always refer to the immaterial aspect of man.
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Post by Beck on Oct 13, 2006 12:41:24 GMT -5
so what are your thoughts on this ASWSOY?
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 13, 2006 15:05:55 GMT -5
so what are your thoughts on this ASWSOY? hey, I only start the posts! You also expect me to participate in my own post! Oh the nerve of you!  Will do so over the weekend (well, tonight when I get home) |
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Post by Beck on Oct 16, 2006 8:31:36 GMT -5
so what are your thoughts on this ASWSOY? hey, I only start the posts! You also expect me to participate in my own post! Oh the nerve of you! Will do so over the weekend (well, tonight when I get home) Still waiting.... ;D |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 16, 2006 10:15:33 GMT -5
ok, keep on....lol
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Post by Beck on Oct 16, 2006 10:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 16, 2006 12:06:03 GMT -5
Honestly, bro. I gave what I thought on the first page.
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Post by Beck on Oct 16, 2006 12:48:30 GMT -5
Honestly, bro. I gave what I thought on the first page. But you never said if you believed he suffered a spiritual death as well... |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 16, 2006 15:04:12 GMT -5
Honestly, bro. I gave what I thought on the first page. But you never said if you believed he suffered a spiritual death as well... you want me to give the "deep" version   ;D |
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 18, 2006 4:44:21 GMT -5
I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus' physical death on the cross was sufficient to obtain our redemption. Jesus could not ever truly be separated from God since He is God, but in His humanity he felt and suffered the wrath of God on the cross, which included a sense of being forsaken.
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 18, 2006 8:49:44 GMT -5
He suffered spiritual and a physical death at the cross.. Did Jesus really suffer spiritual and physical death at the Cross or was it more an emotional / physical death at the cross? |
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