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Post by stillfocused on Mar 7, 2008 17:40:15 GMT -5
Did anyboy watch the movie A Raisin In The Sun last week ? There was a part in where the wife was going to get an abortion and the conditions were not a sterile hospital or clinic nor were the instruments. Do we really how many women have died getting illegal abortions in somebody's house ? I know that abortions are not right..yet, I would not want to return to that time that was not too long along were many died or were left sterile because of an abortion gone bad.
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Post by anointedteacher on Mar 7, 2008 18:13:19 GMT -5
Did anyboy watch the movie A Raisin In The Sun last week ? There was a part in where the wife was going to get an abortion and the conditions were not a sterile hospital or clinic nor were the instruments. Do we really how many women have died getting illegal abortions in somebody's house ? I know that abortions are not right..yet, I would not want to return to that time that was not too long along were many died or were left sterile because of an abortion gone bad. I think women are alot smarter now and more concern about their body. Abortion is not safe even nowaday... some till die from infection. I feel that women should be given an alternative, like adoption, assistance with free child care and job placement, Etc. Abortion is murder.... it should only be done in a life and death situation... Examine: the baby is dying or not going to live long enough to leave the hospital and will cause the mother to die too, if not aborted. I have seen cases where they had to chose between the mother and child.... They usually chose the mother especially when she have other children, unless she signed paper for the child to live. But just to have an abortion because of life situation, is wrong. |
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 7, 2008 18:27:02 GMT -5
And Such, I don't mean to offend you with my statement saying that some of you are speaking hot air. I really shouldn't say it because I honestly have no idea what anybody will do in such cases. So let me rephrase my statement to this... I honestly believe, that some people, who believe that if they were to be placed in this kind of situation that they are 100% clear that they would be able to not go through with the abortion... Would find... that chances are if really placed in that situation that they couldn't live up to the standards and the stress of the situation if it were to really occur. And if is their child who is already broken physically and emotionally by a rape... probably couldn't stomach the cruelity needed to force her to have the baby if she clearly stated that she didn't want to. And the reason that I keep bring up the fact that none of us is without sin is this... There are plenty of other issue that really should be easy one for us to pass... But we fail at it. We fail at sex outside of marriage, we fail at smoking, drinking, drugs, telling lies, gossiping, strife etc. And those are the things that should be easy for us not to do if we are claiming to be seeking to have the same heart of Jesus. So if we fail at the easy stuff... They what makes people believe that they are going to succeed at the hard issues... And in my personal belief in regards to abortion is this one... What gives us the right to make that judgement call in the lives of others, when we can't live up to those standards ourselves by a long shot. It's easy to enforce things on others... But hard to live up to it ourselves. And lastly... I want to make this clear... In general I do believe that abortion is wrong. I just don't believe abortion is wrong in all cases. Rape... and in the emergency of the life of the mother is another. Just my thoughts... And to bring this back to the topic at hand... it is because of my beliefs that I have never been swayed to vote republican because I never thought their agenda was in promoting the health and care of the oppressed and the poor. Just winning the votes of Christians. Kitty Do you know of how many children are born as by-products of rape. And those children have went on to be major successes in life. Not just in the secular, but those who are among us as believers. The problem with abortion is..first and foremost it is a sin. Secondly, You don't know WHO your aborting. God is the giver of life. and EVERY life has a purpose. What if that child you want to abort because of rape, was the creator of the antidote that cures AIDS. See we absolutely do not take into account Destiny, when we make decisions based on our emotions. |
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 7, 2008 18:42:46 GMT -5
LANL, I believ she more than answered the question you posed. Jasmine, I understand what you are saying but we (general) are speaking very abstract but what if YOU were in a situation where your daughter came to YOU and told YOU that she was pregnant by her biological father (which is YOUR husband)....... Would we (general) be so quick to say that my child would have this baby anyway....... I was going to jump in this conversation all politically correct however after really thinking this topic over last night and placing MYSELF in the shoes of someone else... I can't say that I would be so quick to jump on the my 10 year child WON'T have an abortion band...... Yes we all trust in Jesus and abortion is not clearly defined in the Bible but neither is high blood pressure medicine and yet how many of us take high blood pressure medicine? Christians' should not be ruled by their emotions, regardless of the situation, and a very tragic one indeed. I realize the importance of every life, and whether it was my daughter or yours, I do not believe I could advise anybody to have an abortion. Not even my own daughter. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Mar 7, 2008 18:45:52 GMT -5
Its seems that we believe if we make the situation more terrbile and more horrific that our expectation is that GOD will change HIS stance or HIS law regarding the situation...
But the Word declares that HE CHANGES NOT....
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 7, 2008 18:47:48 GMT -5
Its seems that we believe if we make the situation more terrbile and more horrific that our expectation is that GOD will change HIS stance or HIS law regarding the situation... But the Word declares that HE CHANGES NOT.... Thanks for saying this...now I don't have to. |
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Post by kitty on Mar 7, 2008 20:41:54 GMT -5
Well Guys,
With all that is stated... Let's look at the facts... There are more people that are voting for who the president will be other than Christians... If you as a Christian can live up the the standards that you suggest then that's fine... But do we have the right to impose it on others?
Secondly... As I stated in my very first post about this topic... Until we as Christians look at preventing the other causes of abortions then we do we think that simply wanting to put the clap down on women will stop the issue?
Also... I think it is safe to say that regardless of our beliefs and desires that law isn't going to change. Repeatedly voting Republican hasn't stopped the issue or changed the law. Can anyone realistically stop and ponder why that is the case? And simply declaring us to be lawless isn't a answer... Could it be that it is because we don't deal with enough compassion to make not having a abortion a true viable answer?
Lastly... Is the is only issue that we as Christians should be voting on? Especially considering that truth be told... Neither Republicans or Democrats have control of this issue... It is women of the U.S. And until they are treated better... Abortion will remain.
Kitty
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 7, 2008 20:47:53 GMT -5
Lastly... Is the is only issue that we as Christians should be voting on? Especially considering that truth be told... Neither Republicans or Democrats have control of this issue... It is women of the U.S. And until they are treated better... Abortion will remain. Kitty Sigh............... No it isn't the only issue however some things are just deal breakers for me. |
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Post by kitty on Mar 7, 2008 20:49:27 GMT -5
Stillfocused,
You bring up a valid point about the back alley abortion of the past... Tink aboput these 2 points... Women knew that having abortions were unsafe... Yet many were willing to risk their very lives to have one...
Can anyone think of why? Could it be because of the shame and lack of compassion that they were presented with if they did the so called " Right thing" and went through the pregnancy? We as people treated those women like crap which is why many went to seek abortion back during those times... Not so much as out of selfishness as may be the case today... But out of shame.
And sadly... we have people who are so justified in their hearts about holding some to a standard they couldn't live up to... Some people would just as much we go back to those practices declaring that women who have abortions should be a risk of losing their lives because they are commiting a sin... But why not death to everyone that is committing a sin?
Again I ask... It is the only issue worth voting on? Is homosexuality? I mean seriously.. I understand not allowing them to be married but honestly... why the issue with civil unions?
Kitty
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 7, 2008 20:51:23 GMT -5
the issue is saying that the bible supports such
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 8, 2008 23:53:26 GMT -5
Like I posted before....we all know that abortion is wrong. I am quite sure many woman saved and loving the Lord felt that they would never have an abortion yet, they made the choice to abort for one reason or another...not a easy thing for many I am sure.
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Post by Nikkol on Mar 10, 2008 16:15:46 GMT -5
Sinners do what sinners do...... whether something is wrong or not, people will do it. Regarding voting, for me, there are other things that I agree with regarding one party over another.... you know what though, if you ask many why they're a Democrat, they may not have more to say besides "everyone in my family is." So ppl have many reasons to vote the way they do. It may not always make sense to us..... but it doesn't negate the value nonetheless.
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 10, 2008 16:36:21 GMT -5
I didn't say they were "sinners"..there are many woman who grace the steps and doorways of churches who have had abortions..and some were saved when they did. Who face torment very day....along with the condemning spirit that many in body of Christ have who have never faced the choice they had to make. Is it right ? No !! Yet, neither is making it impossible for those women to receive the healing they need at that time. You never know !!
I decided many elections ago that I would not vote for a person because he or she said "they were a Christian, or because they spoke out loudly about the issues that mattered to the Christian community as a whole..it's about their character and integrity and many othe matters.
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 10, 2008 17:47:44 GMT -5
and thats where as the body of Christ, we have laxed. People were persecuted for Calling themselves Christians, Now...its just the thing to do, its politically correct.
The term Christian used to mean Christ like. Integrity, Christ like Characteristics, Valor, Beauty, but because "us" who say we are his, have wayward so far from Christian Characteristics, being Christian is now the thing to do, or the title to be associated with.
Im not going to lie...Im leaning towards voting for obama. even with the "issues" he seems to believe. However my prayer is continuous that despite myself..God leads me to vote for His choice.
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 10, 2008 18:05:30 GMT -5
Amen !! Jasmine !! I am still reeling from the last "hoodwinking" we got !!! One is sure..we need a Leader who will lead with wisdom, who has the needs of the people at heart, and no other motives..my sincere prayer is that they get the heart of God concerning our country.
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