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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 21, 2008 6:27:57 GMT -5
It's all about the sanctity of Human Life. Bro, I know there are other issues, but again right now the issue is abortion and same sex marriage. Yes, those other issues matter and are considered. But personally, for me, abortion is a HUGE deal breaker for me, as well as same sex marriage - however, it doesn't mean that I don't consider the other issues as well.
So, yes, we understand that Holiness and Godliness is more than abortion and same sex marriage - but it does INCLUDE these issues.
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Post by Beulah5 on Mar 21, 2008 6:32:00 GMT -5
Thanks for your response Bro Becks but i think that you are somehwat missing the point.
The point is beyond Obama i dont live in america so i am hardly going to vote for him LOL.
Everyone has their deal breakers and what ASWSOY and i are saying is that yes there are issues surrounding the poor and education etc but LIFE its preservation and the honour of it go beyond what is convention for us and i believe biblically we are right.
Sin is sin and different sins have different consequences-the demonic forces that are unleashed in a nation when there is innocent bloodshed (that includes unjust wars by the way) including provoking God's judgement as well is not what would happen if education is not given priority.
The CURRENT STATE of many nations that have fallen into extreme depravity hang on these factors which is exactly why the lord has raised up men like Lou Engle to rally up The Call where hundreds of thousands are now gathering to repent for abortion etc and it breaks my heart that christians (i am not referring to you) stll
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Post by Beck on Mar 21, 2008 7:51:04 GMT -5
It's all about the sanctity of Human Life. Bro, I know there are other issues, but again right now the issue is abortion and same sex marriage. Yes, those other issues matter and are considered. But personally, for me, abortion is a HUGE deal breaker for me, as well as same sex marriage - however, it doesn't mean that I don't consider the other issues as well. So, yes, we understand that Holiness and Godliness is more than abortion and same sex marriage - but it does INCLUDE these issues. Sure it includes those issues...But as I said before...we can vote against that person who accepts one sin, but vote for another person who accepts another... when its all still sin. The sanctity of life goes beyond abortion and the Honor of life goes beyond same sex marriage. Let me state again for the record that I am not for Abortion or same sex marriage... I think they are wrong, and against biblical principle... but I put the same weight into supporting a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people all over money and power. Like I said... They all are in the same boat when it comes to all of your deal breakers... so I guess you just won't vote....lol |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 21, 2008 8:00:12 GMT -5
Like I said... They all are in the same boat when it comes to all of your deal breakers... so I guess you just won't vote....lol ROFL! How right you are! As it stands, I may not vote - however, at the moment I am prayerfull and will allow the Spirit to lead me. I am sure that if He tells me to vote, then there is purpose behind it. |
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Post by kanyon on Mar 21, 2008 10:59:04 GMT -5
I have a dumb question. Are Americans voting for a Preacher or a President?
As the bible states that judgment begins in the house of God, should not the pulpits of North America also be cleaned up? And I don't just mean moving to another church, because that is not cleaning up.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 21, 2008 11:18:48 GMT -5
I have a dumb question. Are Americans voting for a Preacher or a President? As the bible states that judgment begins in the house of God, should not the pulpits of North America also be cleaned up? And I don't just mean moving to another church, because that is not cleaning up. We don't vote for preachers, thanks for the sarcasm...lol. However, it doesn't change where I stand. |
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Post by kitty on Mar 21, 2008 11:38:32 GMT -5
I have a question people...
Is it possible that sin is sin... and there isn't a difference to God but there is a difference to us?
The reason that I ask is because clearly there were a lot of Christians that voted for Bush. But he equated Christianity to be on the same level as Islam... got us involved in an ongoing war that was based on lies... 5 years later and there are still no weapons of mass destruction... Thousands of people have been murdered or had their lives destroyed... He created a mess that clear our next president will have to deal with...
Bush was clearly for mistreated the poor and those who work... he gave passes to Ken Lay (close friend) who helped rob millions of people in the Enron scandal. He gave a thumbs up to the handling of the New Orleans levy breaking...
Yet millions claimed that they were CERTAIN that he was God's choice...
So someone please tell me. As a Christian what would be the difference in God's eyes in voting for Bush verse Obama? Is the difference that the people killed are babies rather than 18? Does that matter in God's eyes? Or is it really just a personal choice?
Kitty
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 21, 2008 11:43:23 GMT -5
Of course, sin is sin. To say otherwise would be absurd!
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Post by kitty on Mar 21, 2008 11:48:47 GMT -5
Yes.. sin is sin...
But some had no problem voting for Bush... yet voting for Obama would go against their consciousness as a Christian.
I just want to understand... is it really a concern about what God thinks? Or is it just a personal preference?
Kitty
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 21, 2008 11:53:53 GMT -5
Who said that those who voted for Bush, didn't have a problem doing so? Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing that.
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 21, 2008 12:23:43 GMT -5
Beck..you just answered alot of unanswered questions. I live in state that has been a deep recession for many years..yet, no one will admit it. Some situations are so bad that they will do anything and I mean to recoup monies and funds that it spends out. I will not voting the Senator that represents my state..because does not represent me or the many like me..who work everyday and have not to show except growing prices in our enconomy.
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 21, 2008 12:25:09 GMT -5
What we're seeing also is that people are tired, some have to, deceived, and so much more and they are ready for change.
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Post by anointedteacher on Mar 21, 2008 13:07:09 GMT -5
All of the presidential candidates have issues.... As far as Bush... there wasn't much of a choice... I went independence, and vote just to be voting... I am asking God to lead me... and the only person that keep ringing in my spirit is Obama... I want to be 100% sure before I vote.
This scripture came to mind: Proverb 21:1 "The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will"
Pray, whoever is placed in the White House, that their heart be in God's hand, and he will be led by the Holy Spirit.... I also prayed that Bush will make some changes before he leave, so he will not leave in shame, so the heart of the ppl will be at peace when a new president is placed in the office.
What you think of Kim Clement's prophecy of a African American president?
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 21, 2008 13:13:46 GMT -5
All right im stepping on this one.
Obama is very specific in saying that he supports civil unions, and not gay marriages. There is a very distinct difference in Civil Unions and Civil Marriages.
Also, as far as abortion...He's pro choice..meaning he's not specifically for, or specifically against it. I've thought long and hard about this one. Abortion will be around as long as folks keep having unprotected sex. Abortion will be around as long as individuals are convinced that it is the better alternative. Abortion will be around as long as women and children are raped.
Does it make it right. No, it is morally and spiritually wrong to kill an innocent baby, however everybody aint christian, Everybody doesn't believe that an embryo is a baby.
Do I personally support abortion..ABSOLUTELY NOT. But in the end...people are going to do what they want, and even with abolishing abortion...Women and Children will go to great lengths to get rid of the unwanted child.
What do we really expect him to do as far as abortion?
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 21, 2008 13:23:48 GMT -5
With the last election many prayed and some did not agree that Bush was God's choice. Some did because they felt that they would benefit from having him in office and sadly, many soon found that they were sadly mistaked. Many voted for him because he was a Christian. Though he was against abortion and same sex marriages to this day you have not heard of anything regarding those matters. Is he going to give the millions and billions of dollars that he and his friends have acquired over the years at the expense of the American people..I doubt it very seriously. To say he was God's choice....just wasn't lot of people were hearing from the Lord..
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