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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 23, 2007 18:11:12 GMT -5
People need to understand this relaity. God's foreknowledge does not limit our free will. God simply knows what we will choose to do BEFORE we choose to do it. In the case of Peter, Jesus already KNEW what Peter would do. He didnt MAKE Peter deny Him.
And for the record I am married.
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 23, 2007 21:25:53 GMT -5
RACHEL2... sorry I didn't see the question you asked before but to answer, you said:
I serve God because he placed it within me to do so.... (John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.)
I'll send you a PM to not take away from the question...
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Post by keita on Oct 8, 2007 0:39:54 GMT -5
(On another thread, regarding the divorcing Christian couple Randy and Paula White...)Maybe they can be reconciled to their first spouse(s). I do recall reading something in reference to Randy's child from his first marriage......... Scripturally speaking, is that reconciliation an option?  Why should they reconcile to their first spouses ? We don't know the circumstances of why they divorced in the first place. Why not reconcile to each other ??
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 8, 2007 7:12:54 GMT -5
Scripturally speaking, is that reconciliation an option? Yes. I believe that it is the option. One scripture that comes to mind: 1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. However, since my view of divorce and remarriage is very strict, ie one can only remarry if their first spouse is dead and if they do remarry, it's adultery, then the marriage to the second spouse was adultery from the beginning and therefore not valid in the eyes of God. Side Note: These are my personal views/ convictions based on the scriptures |
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 8, 2007 11:30:23 GMT -5
The subject of remarriage within the body of Christ is very sticky. Being single..I believe that if a person can remarry if the spouse committed adultery against them and wanted to leave. I honestly believe that the problem with alot of marriages in the body of Christ happen when there is no true teaching on the subject. Alot of people get saved after they are married and then when they begin to walk with the Lord..there is this unspoken rule of " I gave my heart to the Lord today..and you have to do the same thing. Rather allowing them to see the change that is taking place within one's own life. Instead of the Bible becoming an instrument of change..it often becomes a weapon to beat others over the head.
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 8, 2007 11:47:11 GMT -5
The way to understand the rules of marriage and divorce is to get the rules on marriage and divorce according to HIS word and then stand by them.
Read why God allowed divorce in the first place...because of the hardness of mens hearts.
There is ANOTHER option with adultery.. its called FORGIVENESS.... but folks dont exercise that option...
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 8, 2007 12:02:01 GMT -5
I have taken an interest in this lately. Originally, I never wanted to marry, however when I thought that it may be something that could possibly happen in the future - I became very strict on not marrying someone who had been married and divorced.
I look forward to reading the responses on this one.
EDITED TO ADD: The part that was so "weird" is that I began to feel strongly about not wanting to marry someone who was divorced but I never knew WHY I felt so strongly, almost like it came over me all of a sudden. I hope I am making sense.
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 8, 2007 12:46:30 GMT -5
We lose out when we have such strict standards on what the requirements that we have when it comes to looking for mate. I am single and I would marry a man that has been divorced..and almost did. Would I marry a man who does not love God ? no !! Would I marry who just goes to church ? No !! Would I marry a man who has children ? Yes !! Yet, I would not marry a man who does have a relationship with the Lord..and I am not talking about lip service either. GDD..you're right..forgiveness is option to divorce...and it's true that many don't excuse that option.
I am learning that there are many dynamics in marriage relations either when it comes to those who serve and lead in the House of the Lord. Many don't live what they preach or teach..this causes problem in the home..because on Sunday you're doing your duties and performing your positiong..when your spouse it at home..because of the double life.
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 8, 2007 14:02:59 GMT -5
The way to understand the rules of marriage and divorce is to get the rules on marriage and divorce according to HIS word and then stand by them. Read why God allowed divorce in the first place...because of the hardness of mens hearts. There is ANOTHER option with adultery.. its called FORGIVENESS.... but folks dont exercise that option... Amen. and quite honestly, I believe that Adultery is what has caused the sky rocketed the divorce rate in christians marriages. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 8, 2007 14:39:26 GMT -5
We lose out when we have such strict standards on what the requirements that we have when it comes to looking for mate. I am single and I would marry a man that has been divorced..and almost did. Would I marry a man who does not love God ? no !! Would I marry who just goes to church ? No !! Would I marry a man who has children ? Yes !! Yet, I would not marry a man who does have a relationship with the Lord..and I am not talking about lip service either. GDD..you're right..forgiveness is option to divorce...and it's true that many don't excuse that option. I am learning that there are many dynamics in marriage relations either when it comes to those who serve and lead in the House of the Lord. Many don't live what they preach or teach..this causes problem in the home..because on Sunday you're doing your duties and performing your positiong..when your spouse it at home..because of the double life. I don't feel that I am losing out by having "standards". I am sure men have them as well. I don't feel that I have to settle for anything and am very content with not being married at all. |
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 8, 2007 16:14:00 GMT -5
I understand sis..I have them, too !! Yet, the best relationship I had was with a man who was divorced..he treated me like a queen. I wasn't ready !! And when I realized what I had it was too late.
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 8, 2007 17:01:25 GMT -5
Jasmine..I agree with you..I know of several martial situations where that is the case.
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 8, 2007 22:06:53 GMT -5
The way to understand the rules of marriage and divorce is to get the rules on marriage and divorce according to HIS word and then stand by them. Read why God allowed divorce in the first place...because of the hardness of mens hearts. There is ANOTHER option with adultery.. its called FORGIVENESS.... but folks dont exercise that option... I agree... I think forgiveness should always be exercised in the case of adultery.... but every situation is different and there should be some wise counselling involve. If a man or woman can't stay out of strange sheet and commit adultery through the years of they marriage, it come to a time first when you first forgive and than let them go. But if a person fall a few time and repent, the marriage is worth fighting for. An envangelist told a story at a women conference some time back. There a woman who was saved and faithful in the church and to God, was married to an unsaved man who life and messed around with the women in the street. He was gone for some years, but she never got a divorce. When he all the sudden wanted to come back, the woman went and got some counseling by the older women of the church and pastor. They told her that the man is your husband and to accept him back. He didn't tell her that he was sick and have been affected by the AIDS Virus. Because of poor counselling, the mother of five young children also became affected with AIDS. Her husband pass, and the time the store was given, the woman was very sick.... Anytime a woman choose to stay with cheating husband or a man with his wife, he or she need to be tested for all STD... Posted by stillfocused on Today at 1:46pm I will marry whoever the Lord send to me... He is not going to send a abusive cheating drunk.... but a true man of God, that will love me as Christ Love the church. I do not want to marry outside the Will of God, I rather stay single. God know and understand me more than myself, I trust His choice of man, but not my. |
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 9, 2007 9:39:22 GMT -5
AT... I don't think that the issue was in the mothers telling her to go back with her husband because scripturally, that's correct. However, she could've gotten tested first and when he would tested positive, they could go through proper precautions to keep her from getting HIV as well.
But on the topic iteslf, divorce should never be even heard of within a Christian marriage.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 10, 2007 14:58:11 GMT -5
keita,
what say ye?
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