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Post by Rachel2 on Sept 19, 2008 8:39:23 GMT -5
How convenient to "hide" behind our Christianity so that we don't have to deal. WHETHER YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF BLACK FIRST OR NOT...SURELY YOU MUST REALIZE THAT'S EXACTLY HOW OTHER RACES SEE YOU "FIRST" NO MATTER HOW CHRISTIAN THEY CLAIM TO BE..... AND THEY TREAT YOU AND MAKE JUDGEMENTS ABOUT YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR "BLACK SKIN COLOR" NO MATTER WHO OR WHATELSE YOU THINK YOU ARE.WOW, just because a person considers themselves a Christian first doesn't mean they're 'hiding behind their Christianity'. Also, I don't give a hoot how other people see me, what judgements they make about me, etc.... I am what God says I am, and HIS judgement is the ONLY judgement I care about. "There is difference and there is power, who holds the power decides the difference" Didn't JESUS CHRIST rise with ALL POWER in his hands? Didn't he say ALL power in heaven and in earth is given unto me? Isn't God is ALMIGHTY, OMNISCIENT, etc....  As the old song goes 'what kind of church is this?' EXACTLY, JESUS HAD ALSO RISEN WITH ALL POWER IN HIS HANDS WHEN 6 MILLION JEWS WERE SLAUGHTERED BY THE RACIST GERMANS. He was ALMIGHTY, OMNISCIENT, etc.....then as well. AND JESUS HAD RISEN WITH ALL POWER IN HIS HANDS WHEN BLACKS IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WERE BEING JAILED, BEATEN, WATER HOSED AND MURDERED FOR YOU TO EVEN GET THE RIGHT TO VOTE! To quote Marion Rosenberg, a holocaust survivor, "We just didn't believe it was that serious until it was too late for us to do anything." WE ARE NOT IN HEAVEN YET........WE STILL LIVE IN THIS REAL, RACIST, CRUEL AND DANGEROUS WORLD!!! |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 19, 2008 8:44:30 GMT -5
LOLOL
I am laughing because if I stopped to take the last post seriously I'd have to grab somebody by their ear to the altar like the old mothers of zion use to do to me!
I'm out!
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Post by Rachel2 on Sept 19, 2008 8:54:00 GMT -5
LOLOL I am laughing because if I stopped to take the last post seriously I'd have to grab somebody by their ear to the altar like the old mothers of zion use to do to me! I'm out! I must say that I am very surprised with you being such a good CHRISTIAN FIRST and all that you don't take 6 million people being slaughtered seriously! Or your own people being murdered for you to get the right to vote. Makes me say ummmmmmm After this....now I'm out! No more political discussions for me! |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 19, 2008 9:05:10 GMT -5
LOLOL I am laughing because if I stopped to take the last post seriously I'd have to grab somebody by their ear to the altar like the old mothers of zion use to do to me! I'm out! I must say that I am very surprised with you being such a good CHRISTIAN FIRST and all that you don't take 6 million people being slaughtered seriously! Or your own people being murdered for you to get the right to vote. Makes me say ummmmmmm The Holocaust was a horrible horrible event, as horrible as slavery and all that encompasses. In all my studies and reading about it, which I do every year as a reminder, I have never taken it lightly. My own people died to give the right TO VOTE. Part of my right to vote is my right to vote for whom I CHOOSE, not who is chosen for me by others. My laughter was soley at your comments BECAUSE I could not fathom why you made those two statements and figured you must not realize the weight of what these words are really saying. THAT'S what I found funny. If I thought you really understood the depth of those comments, I'd find it SCARY. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Sept 19, 2008 9:10:28 GMT -5
And Such.... Did you read the rest of my posts? I made it a point to say that I was being sacrastic when I said we should all vote for Obama because he is black... I am voting for him because he supports my personal beliefs for government policy... I also happen to be prochoice... As a Christian... I believe that abortion is between a woman her doctor and God. Plus I would never condone a situation that would refuse a woman an abortion in the case of incest, rape or medical conditions that would endanger the woman's life in which there are way more common that people are aware of.... Such as high blood pressure. Very dangerous for a pregnant woman... inspite of medications sometimes the only way to save the woman's life is to stop her pregnancy... Hopefully most case end up with a C-sect where the child lives... But what about the cases that the baby isn't viable? We simply just don't talk about it... People have no idea how common that is... Also And Such... I do think the only reason you are voting against Obama ( because you made it a point to state that you are voting against him...) is the abortion and gay issue... You certainly have never stated any other issue that are important to you on this board... Nor have you ever really stated why you feel that Obama just "doesn't get it"... Kitty Ummm, have you read my posts when I said that if I had to vote THAT day that I would vote for Palin? However, I am still remaining prayerful for I may NOT VOTE AT ALL. It doesn't matter to me what you feel is the reason for my choice in voting - I speak on those issues because honestly, those are the only issues that come up. Are those issues important to me - Yep, they are, which is why I minister in that area. I can tell you this, every time the topic comes up on this board, I will respond because it is something that is important to me. But trust me when I tell you this - my reason for NOT voting for Obama - really doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the abortion and gay issues - those are just icings on the cake. There are many more reasons to not vote for him and I found those out well before I knew of his stance on abortion and gays. So, your opinion of my is just that - yours. However, since the only way we communicate is through this bb then all you have to go by is what you have read. I can respect that. But understand, that is not all of me there is to know. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Sept 19, 2008 9:12:48 GMT -5
And Such.... You certainly have never stated any other issue that are important to you on this board... that is not true. I really don't feel like arguing about it and I KNOW that is all that will result. Also, I never try to convince anyone why they should not vote for someone..I leave it at what it is...a personal choice. |
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Post by kitty on Sept 19, 2008 9:55:21 GMT -5
And Such...
My goal is not to attack you... really it isn't...
But I do recall Giants and other people asking you several times over the months questions akin to what are the other issues that you have in regards to what is important to you? I'm asking exactly what are the others issue you have aginst Obama if abortion and gays isn't all there is?
We are all clear that we all will vote for whome we think is the best choice...
It's also ok just to have only 2 issue that you vote on.
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 19, 2008 11:30:29 GMT -5
Oprah... have every right to stand her ground and tell those racist white phony women, who pertanded they love her... NO!... if they want to boyscott, let them! She is not going to kiss their behind by putting this racist lying woman on her show.... I don't support her new age belief, but I do support her a black american citizen that being attack, because of her race... Why don't they ask Dr. Phil or Rachel I just thought that this was a little harsh based on it being "name calling" and judgemental.....can we be midful of that? If you were to read some of the white bloggers on Blackvoices.... You will say the same thing. Most of the white bloggers actually said... they stop supporting and watching Oprah because she endorsed a black man... Obama. They are calling her a racist, which is far from being true. These are the same women that said they love her and support her, now want to boyscott her show. They didn't request for Sarah Palin to be on the show because they want her there, they requested to start a racial conflict with Oprah. They already knew Oprah was going to reject the request till after the election. I am no being judgmental.... it is true... |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 19, 2008 12:16:35 GMT -5
I think that whether or not other ppl do certain things, we should just be mindful....that's all. Granted a lot of the "white bloggers" may use that type of language and discuss ppl in certain ways, but that doesn't mean we should follow suit. But like I said, I just said to be mindful because when it's all said and done, we can all do what we want and can express our opinion. :-). It's all good.
Side Note: I think that maybe a discussion on the beliefs of the Democratic party vs. the Republican party really need to be discussed becaused ppl are Rep. for more than just "abortion and marriage"....just like ppl are Dem for more than just because that's what black ppl are.......
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Sept 19, 2008 12:23:52 GMT -5
And Such... My goal is not to attack you... really it isn't... But I do recall Giants and other people asking you several times over the months questions akin to what are the other issues that you have in regards to what is important to you? I'm asking exactly what are the others issue you have aginst Obama if abortion and gays isn't all there is? We are all clear that we all will vote for whome we think is the best choice... It's also ok just to have only 2 issue that you vote on. Kitty I honestly didn't think that you were attacking me. I hope I didn't come off that way, because I wasn't attempting to attack you either. That is what I don't like about bulletin boards because you cannot hear the "tone" in which one is writing. And for the last time....I don't only vote those 2 issues for if that were the case I would be all up in McCain/Palin and I am not. For a moment, I think a day or two, I thought that they would possibly get my vote, but as it stands right now, nobody is. I weigh all issues. However, I do not give a list of reasons why I will or will not vote for someone. I really do leave it as one's personal choice. So it is not that I am trying to avoid the question or anything, I just would like to keep it a personal. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Sept 19, 2008 12:24:41 GMT -5
Side Note: I think that maybe a discussion on the beliefs of the Democratic party vs. the Republican party really need to be discussed becaused ppl are Rep. for more than just "abortion and marriage"....just like ppl are Dem for more than just because that's what black ppl are....... Indeed! |
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Post by keita on Sept 19, 2008 13:53:45 GMT -5
I think that maybe a discussion on the beliefs of the Democratic party vs. the Republican party really need to be discussed becaused ppl are Rep. for more than just "abortion and marriage"....just like ppl are Dem for more than just because that's what black ppl are....... Good point, my sisters! People affiliate with one, the other, or no political party for various and sundry reasons, including the "because that's what my family's always been" and the issue-centric variety. But in my experience, few actually know the stated positions or full platform of the parties they support. So I agree that such a discussion of the differences (and similarities  ) between the Republican and Democratic parties would be fruitful and I'm starting that thread HERE... because this one is about Sarah Palin.  |
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Post by keita on Sept 19, 2008 15:23:28 GMT -5
I've been particularly interested in hearing what other women politicos have to say about Sarah Palin's nomination. Here are two opinions I've come across. Condoleezza Rice:In a less-than-hearty endorsement, Rice declined to say anything more positive about Palin than “she gave a terrific speech” and “she’s a governor of a state here in the United States” during her interview with Zain Verjee of CNN. Asked point-blank if Palin has enough experience, Rice said, “These are decisions that Senator McCain has made. I have great confidence in him.” Confidence in Palin? Rice didn’t say. Rice added: “I’m not going to get involved in this political campaign. As Secretary of State, I don’t do that. But I thought her speech was wonderful.” You can watch the interview HEREGeraldine Ferraro:The only woman nominated by a major party as its vice presidential candidate has left open the possibility of voting for the Republican ticket — even though she is a Democrat. Geraldine Ferraro — who's also a FOX News contributor — told National Public Radio, "I'm... working on my decision." Ferraro was Walter Mondale's running mate in 1984. She dismissed concerns about John McCain's choice for vice president — Alaska Governor Sarah Palin — and her foreign policy knowledge, saying: "What she doesn't know so far she will learn very quickly — she seems smart enough." Has anyone seen or heard responses from any other female politicians? And, on a lighter note, I thought THIS was absolutely hilarious! ;D |
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 20, 2008 21:35:11 GMT -5
How do you feel about troopergate....
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Stalled Troopergate probe leaves many questions By MATT VOLZ and GENE JOHNSON, Associated Press Writers
Sat Sep 20, 2:17 PM ET
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Until three weeks ago, only Alaskans and a few hard-core political junkies in the rest of the country cared about the obscure scandal known here as Troopergate.
A legislative committee had ordered an investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power to settle a vendetta against her sister's ex-husband. She didn't seem too worried. Broadly popular, she adopted a bring-it-on attitude, saying: "Hold me accountable. ... I don't have anything to hide."
But the bravado regarding allegations that she dismissed the state's top law enforcement official when he wouldn't fire Palin's former brother-in-law from his state trooper's job disappeared on Aug. 29.
Suddenly, Palin was the Republican vice-presidential nominee.
Suddenly, aided by McCain campaign operatives, she began stonewalling.
Over the next several weeks, Palin and her team withheld the investigation's most important witnesses — herself, her husband Todd, and a host of key administration aides. Palin also continued to withhold potentially key evidence — the contents of a plethora of e-mails among the governor, her husband and key state government officials.
Although the Legislature's investigator still plans to issue a report in October, the probe is effectively killed until January, when Sarah Palin will either be vice president or return to the governor's mansion in Juneau.
At that point, the investigation would revert to being mostly the concern of Alaskans and political junkies, if it matters at all.
In the meantime, questions that could settle the dispute will go unanswered.
WHAT IS IN THE E-MAILS?
The only smoking gun so far in Troopergate is the recorded telephone call by a Palin aide, Frank Bailey, to Lt. Rodney Dial of the Alaska State Troopers on Feb. 29. In that call, Bailey asked a pointed question about the continued employment of Mike Wooten, the trooper who divorced Palin's sister, Molly McCann.
"Why is this guy still representing the department?" Bailey asked.
He went on to tell Dial: "Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, why on earth hasn't, why is this guy still representing the department? He's a horrible recruiting tool. ... You know, I mean from their perspective, everyone's protecting him."
Both Palin and Bailey say he'd acted on his own in making the call, but the investigation had been looking into whether the governor, her husband and other administration officials knew about the call or helped direct it.
During the call, Bailey appeared privy to information from Wooten's confidential personnel files. Bailey later told the Legislature's investigator, Stephen Branchflower, that he'd received the information from the governor's husband. Todd Palin, although a private citizen, frequently participates in a range of official duties. He had been copied in on official state e-mails, now withheld from the public on the grounds of executive privilege.
Cell phone records show that Todd Palin called key Palin aide Ivy Frye three times on the afternoon of Feb. 28, the day before Bailey's conversation about Wooten with Dial. The topics of discussion have not been disclosed.
Three-and-a-half hours after the last call, the first of 10 e-mails begin to fly among Frye, the governor, Todd Palin, Bailey, Administration Commissioner Annette Kreitzer, Deputy Chief of Staff Randy Ruaro and Palin aide Kris Perry. The exchanges continued overnight and into the morning of Bailey's phone call.
Only the senders, recipients and subject lines of those e-mails were released under a public records request. The e-mails carry the subject line "PSEA," a reference to the troopers' union, the Public Safety Employees Association, which was in the midst of contract negotiations with the state.
Palin won't release the contents of those e-mails. Despite her claim that Alaska's government is open and transparent, they — along with more than 1,000 other messages — are shrouded behind an exemption in the state's open records law.
Even more e-mails — the number unknown — circulated between Palin and her inner circle on private e-mail accounts that aren't subject to the state's open records law.
Last week, hackers revealed that they'd broken into one of Palin's private accounts and posted some of its contents on the Web. One of the more intriguing messages was sent from Chief of Staff Mike Nizich to Palin on Aug. 7, a week into the Troopergate investigation, with the subject line: "CONFIDENTIAL Ethics Matter."
WHY WAS HE FIRED?
Palin's explanation of why she fired Monegan on July 11 has shifted.
Monegan said in an interview with The Associated Press earlier this month that he wasn't given an explanation when Nizich told him he was being removed.
Six days later, Andrew Halcro, a former legislator and one of Palin's two 2006 gubernatorial election opponents, wrote in his blog that an anonymous source told him Palin had fired Monegan because he'd refused to fire Wooten.
The next day, Palin released a statement denying the allegations. Monegan responded publicly by saying he felt pressure to fire Wooten from both Palins, former Chief of Staff Mike Tibbles, Kreitzer and Bailey.
Palin said Monegan was let go over differing budget priorities and his failure to make progress on key goals, including reducing trooper vacancies and fighting alcohol abuse in rural Alaska.
Yet, when Monegan was fired, Nizich offered him another job as head of the state's Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which regulates alcohol sales statewide.
Palin's staff, meanwhile, suggested that Palin had been upset with Monegan over the ongoing negotiations with the troopers' union because Monegan was pushing for more money for the force and opposed her push to strengthen its integrity clause — a move that might have made firing Wooten easier.
Last week, as national interest in Troopergate blossomed, the McCain campaign gave another reason for Monegan's firing — insubordination.
McCain operatives called Monegan a "rogue" who repeatedly tried to work outside normal channels for requesting money; Monegan said Palin never expressed any displeasure with him.
Monegan has come to regard her stated explanations as nonsense: "It boiled down to one issue," he told the AP. "There was only one reason that I got fired." Wooten.
WAS THERE A REAL DEATH THREAT?
In December 2006, during the first month of Palin's administration, members of her state trooper security detail asked if she was aware of any threats to herself or her family. Palin could offer only one: her former brother-in-law. She said Wooten had threatened to kill her father on Feb. 17, 2005, because he offered to hire a divorce lawyer for her sister.
"There was a serious, genuine concern about not only their safety, but the safety of their family, their kids, their nieces, nephews, her father, regarding Trooper Wooten," Bailey said in his deposition.
By then, Wooten's divorce to Palin's sister, Molly McCann, was more than a year in the past. During the time in between, though, Palin and her father, Chuck Heath, had cited the threat in various complaints against Wooten to the state police.
The first complaint was filed in 2005, about when the couple separated; Sarah Palin gave an interview to the state police as part of the ensuing investigation.
Palin sent Col. Julia Grimes, then the head of the troopers, a letter on Aug. 10, 2005, repeating the Wooten threat. Heath sent Grimes a letter on Oct. 10, 2005, listing the threat among a litany of complaints against Wooten.
Both letters focused more on the topic of frustration that no action had been taken to discipline Wooten rather than on any fear that the Palins were in danger.
Heath complained that the public and troopers were aware of Wooten's behavior, "yet, as of today this trooper still has not been held accountable for his illegal actions."
Wooten's union director, John Cyr, told the AP that the Palin family complaints amounted to harassment and that no one outside the Palin family had ever filed a complaint against the trooper.
In an interview with the AP, Wooten said, "I was not a threat to them, I've never been a threat to them and I won't be a threat to them. I have my priorities, and what I want to do with my life, and it doesn't include them."
DID SHE ABUSE HER POWER?
At a news conference in July, Palin characterized the two dozen contacts from her staff to Monegan about Wooten as entirely appropriate. She also said she'd had no idea the contacts had been made.
But the Palins themselves had exerted considerable pressure, expressing much additional concern about Wooten in the first months of her administration. Monegan said Todd Palin asked him about the Wooten case in January 2007; Monegan told him that he'd looked into the case and it was closed.
A few days later, the governor called Monegan on his cell phone, also inquiring about Wooten, Monegan said.
"I re-explained the same thing to her as I did with Todd," he said.
Monegan said he interpreted those calls as the Palins venting, and that neither had explicitly told him to fire Wooten.
"Once I passed that information on and explained the process was done, I thought the issue would have been over," he said.
But the governor tried to bring it up again the next month at a birthday party for a state senator. Palin approached Monegan there and brought up Wooten. Monegan said he turned her away "to protect her" from getting into trouble over interference.
"'I need to keep you at arms' length,'" he recalled telling Palin at the time. "I didn't want her to be embarrassed or to get in trouble."
The Palins still weren't happy, Monegan said. In a later e-mail to him, Sarah Palin called the Wooten investigation "a joke."
Between the birthday party and the Bailey phone call a year later, Monegan said, he was contacted intermittently by Kreitzer, Tibbles and Attorney General Talis Colberg, all inquiring about Wooten. He said he also received two or three e-mails from the governor that were ostensibly about an unrelated subject, but that each contact always led to a mention of the Wooten matter.
Monegan said he repeatedly warned that such conversations and messages would be discoverable if Wooten ever sued: "I remember asking the chief of staff, 'Do you want Wooten to own your house? No? Well, neither do I. So let me handle the matter.'"
Monegan declined to give the AP copies of the e-mails from Palin's staffers.
HOW DID THEY KILL THE INVESTIGATION?
Almost from the moment Palin named McCain's running mate, Republican pressure began to build to end the probe, which had been approved unanimously by the legislative committee of four Democrats and 10 Republicans.
McCain's campaign started claiming the investigation had become a political witch hunt, even though some Alaska Republican lawmakers still backed it.
Then Palin aides canceled their appointments to testify.
After lawmakers began issuing subpoenas, Palin's legal team — bolstered by McCain campaign lawyer Ed O'Callaghan, a former federal prosecutor — said the governor would no longer cooperate.
Next, the Palin team began to exploit a weakness in the Legislature's authority to call witnesses.
Late last week, Todd Palin declined to testify, and Colberg, the attorney general, refused to allow Palin's executive branch employees to testify.
Republican state Sen. Gene Therriault said he had opposed issuing subpoenas because it would force the two sides to retreat to their corners — and, he added, that's what happened.
"I tried to warn the committee off of this path," Therriault said. "I'm fearful of where we are."
Because lawmakers have little power to enforce their subpoenas unless the full Legislature is in session, the investigation has stalled until lawmakers reconvene in January.
Palin herself could call a special session at any time. So, too, could the legislators — if two-thirds of the 60 members approve.
Given recent events, neither of those scenarios seem very likely.
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 21, 2008 10:48:43 GMT -5
I got this from a blog.... Who Would You Hire? Do credentials mean something? If so, this is a no brainer.
You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc. this is an ***unusually critical*** election year.
Let's look at the educational background of your two options: Obama: *Occidental College - Two years.
*Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
*Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum LaudeBiden: *University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
*yracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)vs. McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 of 899& Palin: *Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
*North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
*University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
*Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
*University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalismNow, which team are you going to 'hire' ?
PLEASE NO MORE DUMB PRESIDENTS; WE SEE HOW THAT WORKED FOR THE U.S. THE PAST 8 YEARS. (the above comment are not my... I am not calling Bush, dumb) |
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