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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 17, 2008 14:15:28 GMT -5
To my saved and single sisters and brothers in Christ:
If the man/woman God sent you to marry was HIV+ would that be an immediate deal breaker? Let's say you didn't want more children and neither did he. And for the sake of argument, let's say you're both sure you are God's choice for one another:
Would you consider proceeding at all?
Would think God can't possibly be in that!
Would you think anyone seriously considering this to just plain old desparate ?
What would you think and what would you do?
What if someone came to you for godly advice concerning this matter?
What would you say to them?
*disclaimer: neither i nor anyone i know, heard about, read about, or saw a movie about is in this situation.
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Post by Rachel2 on Sept 17, 2008 15:01:29 GMT -5
To my saved and single sisters and brothers in Christ: If the man/woman God sent you to marry was HIV+ would that be an immediate deal breaker? Let's say you didn't want more children and neither did he. And for the sake of argument, let's say you're both sure you are God's choice for one another: Would you consider proceeding at all? Would think God can't possibly be in that! Would you think anyone seriously considering this to just plain old desparate ? What would you think and what would you do? What if someone came to you for godly advice concerning this matter? What would you say to them? *disclaimer: neither i nor anyone i know, heard about, read about, or saw a movie about is in this situation. Of course my question is Why would God send you someone who is still HIV+? Don't you think He would have healed him/her first? Really, why would God send you someone or something that could make you ill or possibly kill you? This doesn't sound like good theology. AND I do know the story of Hosea and Gomer, but there is nothing in scripture to make one think that she had a STD or any disease at all that could be transmitted to Hosea. |
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Post by kitty on Sept 17, 2008 15:21:24 GMT -5
I don't know that God wouldn't send loving partners for those who are HIV +.
But I think God has the wisdom to pick someone in which it wouldn't be an issue.
Kitty
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 17, 2008 15:47:15 GMT -5
I don't know that God wouldn't send loving partners for those who are HIV +. Kitty say what? you don't think God would send loving partners to people hiv+? I'm speechless. |
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Post by Rachel2 on Sept 17, 2008 16:05:14 GMT -5
GAP I think Kitty is saying that maybe God would send a loving partner to someone who is HIV+. At least I think that's what she's saying.
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Post by kitty on Sept 17, 2008 16:13:19 GMT -5
Yes... Rachel is right...
I thought the double negative canceled out...
I'm saying that I think it is possible for God to send them someone but I think those people wouldn't have an issue with it.
Preferably maybe another person who is also HIV+?
Kitty
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 17, 2008 16:30:26 GMT -5
thanks guys
i was reading too fast
sorry i got so emotional
i do volunteer work in the community with homeless hiv+ aa women, some who god has blessed me to be instrumental in pointing them back to christ, they are dear to my heart
and to think that some may say 'oh god wouldn't send them a loving partner' heart my heart
i see what you were trying to say kitty, and yes, he would probably send them someone for whom that wouldn't be an issue or someone who trusts him enough to follow his plan, you know the 10 lepers that jesus enountered were healed AS THEY WENT, had they not been obediant they would not have been healed, food for thought..................
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Sept 17, 2008 17:37:27 GMT -5
To my saved and single sisters and brothers in Christ: If the man/woman God sent you to marry was HIV+ would that be an immediate deal breaker? Let's say you didn't want more children and neither did he. And for the sake of argument, let's say you're both sure you are God's choice for one another: Would you consider proceeding at all? Being as honest as I possibly could here, I would hope that if this were the case for me that I am able to say that it would not be a factor. The spiritual answer would be "of course I would accept this person as my mate - if God said it, why question it". However, I would not know for sure until faced with this situation. Sure I do. Isa 55:8For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. Isa 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. [KJV] Though I may not understand it, if God said it then I would have to accept the fact that there is purpose behind it. Something far greater than what my mind could possibly grasp. No, that would be a bit judgmental. Difficult to say. Especially since I study STDs all of the time and I know what could happen to somoene who has sex with one who is HIV positive. The person who is HIV negative, should they become positive it would be at a much greater level than what their spouse would be and therefore the medications that they would need to take would be different from the spouse's medication. So the question would be - would I be willing to remain abstinent while I am married to this man? I would HAVE to tell that person that they would need to follow what they feel the Lord is telling them. To anything other than that would be advising them to be disobedient to God and I wouldn't want that on my hands. Also, I would stress that they continue to speak with a doctor who could inform them both of what they would be facing. Believe it or not, this really did happen. Check out this site. Now after reading how DARE we say that God cannot do this: The Barb Wise Story (click here)The ministry that I am with purchased their DVD and use it as part of our Abstinence Education Program. |
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Post by kitty on Sept 17, 2008 17:48:12 GMT -5
That's deep...
I guess it takes all kinds to make the world go around! God is amazing...
But ultimately I really don't think I oculd do it. It would be one thing if my spouse came down with HIV after we were married due to something like a blood transfusion or some medical accident. But I don't think I could willingly enter into a marriage like that.
I do plan for my intended to get an HIV test before marriage...
Kitty
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 18, 2008 7:15:01 GMT -5
I do plan for my intended to get an HIV test before marriage... Kitty Would you choose not to marry him if he took the test and he (God forbid) was HIV+ ? |
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Post by kitty on Sept 18, 2008 7:48:31 GMT -5
Nikkol,
I have no problem say that yes... I would choose not to marry someone if I found out that they are HIV+.
I have not made vows to that person... I can honor the vow of for better or worse once I am already married. But not before... I would like to have children as I have already stated...
And as And Such indicated.... If one that is married to a person that has HIV and taking medications.... becomes infected later on... Their infection is a lot worse...
This is because they are infected with a virus that has already mutated to over come drugs and medications that you spouse took to stay alive... So those same drug wont work for you because you are deal with the virus that was in that person's body...
Which mean your chances of dying from it are higher than you spouse because the medications that he or she took to stay alive won't work for you... Or if they do work it will effective for a shorter period of time...
That's just plain tough!
Who ever asked the question of you could stay in a marriage in which you would have to abstain from sex the duration of the marriage... To me that would be the only solution...
I just couldn't do it... and short of God telling me to go forth like Joseph to marry Mary... I would get out of the relationship and not marry.
Not to mention this... If I was the person that had HIV... Out of love for the other person to live a long life... especially wanting children... I would willingly let them go.
Kitty
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 18, 2008 9:32:40 GMT -5
Difficult to say. Especially since I study STDs all of the time and I know what could happen to somoene who has sex with one who is HIV positive. The person who is HIV negative, should they become positive it would be at a much greater level than what their spouse would be and therefore the medications that they would need to take would be different from the spouse's medication. Thanks for that bit of information......as someone who has experienced (friends and loved ones) who are either now infected or have died due to marrying someone who is HIV positive..... I have always wondered why the women would die so fast and why it seemed as if they suffered more......... Now as for me, I personally would have to consider how the person contracted the disease..........as I for one don't believe that God would send ME a reformed homosexual....
Now if my intended spouse contracted the virus due to blood transfusion or some other way beside "homosexual" behavior than I may consider being with that person.....
Don't go jumping me for being "homophobic"; I just don't understand that lifestyle and honestly I don't or can't deal with a man as my husband who is / was gay.......and that's only because his desire is to be with a man and I am not a man! |
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Post by Jasmine on Sept 18, 2008 16:11:42 GMT -5
ok. What if God said marry this man, and you found out He was HIV.
What if his healing was contigent upon your Obedience?
Would God do such a thing?
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Post by kitty on Sept 18, 2008 19:40:23 GMT -5
hhhmmm.... That is a tough situation to consider Jasmine...
I know that we don't know the ways of God but I certainly would hope that God wouldn't place the conditions of my healing on someone else... Just as I hope my salvation wouldn't depend on anyone else but Jesus...
I don't know Jas... I personally would have a hard time believing God said that too me... I would defiitely question it and be in doubt...
Because where as I wouldn't be sure as to God placing me in line to be responsible for someone's healing or life or death like that...
I am clear that I am responsible for my own life... Not so sure God would ask me to sacrifice that way....
And it's not that I don't believe that God may not call one to sacrifice your life for others...
Years ago when I was in the classroom teaching... around the time of Columbine and other classroom shootings... I always knew that if a gunmen came into my classroom and I was teaching young children... especially the babies k-3rd I knew without a doubt that if I ever faced the sitution I would shield them with my body...
But in a case where someone may have really gotten HIV due to some major sins...
Can't say I'm looking to throw my body under the train for that...
Kitty
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Post by vin on Sept 21, 2008 17:46:37 GMT -5
If the man/woman God sent you to marry was HIV+ would that be an immediate deal breaker? Let's say you didn't want more children and neither did he. And for the sake of argument, let's say you're both sure you are God's choice for one another: Since this is the original question....why should there be any discussion as to whether or not we would obey God? If the person is God sent how could it be a deal breaker at the same time? |
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