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Post by kitty on Jun 18, 2009 17:41:39 GMT -5
Hey Living,
I have another question about your views on "anointed marriages". You state that it is when God is the center of your marriage and the husband and wife are guided by the Holy Ghost and walk as one.
Do you think that a couple can have an anointed marriage if they simply follow God's word regarding marriage in the bible? If the woman submits to her husband and he loves her as Jesus loves the church?
Or do you think it requires something more?
Kitty
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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 19, 2009 9:11:59 GMT -5
Hey Guys... Giants... I'm still working on your post...It is a lot ot digest. But just for starters this is one point that I can say that I disagree with... The idea that people who happen to be dating are not really consulting God... Some may be and others may not be... Now honestly I think that "dating" is really for kids and teens such as wanting a "date" for prom or a school dance. But adult Christians may be "courting" in the since that they are consulting God and the goal that they have in mind is marriage. Regardless of what people want to call it... I think there will be a time period when any individuals has to spend time together to see if a person's walk lines up with the word of God. Are they living their life according to the bible? What are their beliefs about applying God's word? Do they actually do it? How do the treat you when others aren't present? With respect or not? Are you two compatible? Do you have a similar sense of humor? How does this individual deal with the stresses of daily life? The answer to all of these questions require time to observe. Yes I know that the response most common is ask God and He will tell you.... I do believe that people should pray and ask God about all of these issues... But there seems to be a problem when we decide to completely ignore what's going on in the NATURAL and completely go with the SUPERNATURAL... Because from where I am standing what God states in the spirit will come forth in the natural... And I see is a lot of cases where people don't happen to be holding up their word of prophesy, prophetic words and see if they line up with the bible in the natural... Thus when I think back to my own experiences... I have to acknowledge that if I did this one thing I wouldn't have wasted time that I can never get back... Which leads me to another comment..... Kitty I dont expect people to agree with the point of view presented. In fact I realize most people will not. I simply wanted to answer the question you asked. what is the scriptural grounds that supports your position. However I would like toe address several things. We are called as the children of God and the saints of God to " walk by faith " and not by sight. Its called the SUPERnatural for a reason. It SUPERCEDES, is GREATER THAN and takes PREDENCE over the natural. See this is where I have an issue. In the area of healing we are instructed to Believe GOD, walk by faith and BELIEVE the report of the Lord REGARDLESS of what we see in the NATURAL.. In the natural you might be sick.. but GOD SAYS you ARE HEALED.. In the area of finances the bankbook might say you arte FLAT BROKE.. but GOD SAYS you are blessed. and we BELIEVE that we are blessed... But in the area of relationships and especially marriage.. we better not put ALL our trust in God.. we better use our limited knowledge and ability to discern to make sure... God is a God of COVENANT.. dating has NO covenant.. Courting is a word we have used to try and make it LOOK like we arent dating however all it really is is dating.. The reality is that in most eastern societies Courtship is what occurs between two people AFTER an engagement occurs.. OR it occurs when two parents make an arrangement of marriage OR.. now get this.. When a man presents himself THE FATHER of a woman and expresses his interests in his daughter. Then the FATHER decides whether he daugter should court this man and this is almost ALWAYS done under supervision of the FATHER and family representatives. And when the son meets the FATHERS approval then he is allowed to be married... It wasnt just ME and my WIFE that got confirmation on her marriage.. Her family and expecially those older saints who hear GOD got together and prayed and sought the Lord and asked.. OK GOD is this the man...  ? And one of her cousins told me.. yeah we KNOW youa re GOD's choice.. we ALL prayed about you.. and GOD let us know you were the one... God Knows us better than we know ourselves... He also knows our FUTURE.. as far as these questions Would not GOD already KNOW the answers to ALL these questions.. Would GOD set a person up with someone whose life doesnt line up with HIS word.. No... Would GOD set someone up with a person who mistreats one of HIS children... No... Would GOD set up two people who ARENT compatible.. Not only will I say NO His own word says how can two walk together UNLESS they be agreed.. but GOD will set up areas of compatibility YOU CANT EVEN SEE or Imagine.. Do we REALLY believe the Word of GOD ? DO we really believe that he is ABLE to do EXCEEDINGLY and ABUNDANTLY ABOVE all that we can ASK or THINK or not.... AND again I will state for the record that most of the conversations I see about marriage are focused on SELF and the wants and needs of ONE individual.. Its about how they will treat ME.. How they will love ME.. how they will be compatible with ME... very little is ever said about the OTHER person yet we will readily say.. " marriage is a ministry.. " well the word Minister means TO SERVE which means its not about YOU !!!!! When we stop focusing on ourselves and realize that GOD has a MUCH GREATER purpose for our lives and for our marriages beyond what we can see on the end of our nose.. we will realize we need all the SUPERNATURAL we can get... When we realize GOD is trying to change lives.. break generational curses, instill generational blessings, change families, save souls, build GODLY lineages and legacies, and impact FUTURE generations for YEARS to come.. Bring prophecy to pass !! we wont lean on " dating " I'll give you an example of prophetic fulfillment.. God told my wife's mother before she passed that her children would own houses in an aea in Ohio called Beavercreek. Now when I went to visit my wife the first time We drove through Beavercreek and I looked around and I said.. WOW I like this area. I would like to own a house here.. My wife said her mother received a Word from the Lord anout her children living in Beavercreek.... Later GOD told me that I would need to look into getting into Real Estate and HE gave me the areas of Real Estate that I am allowed to operate in. One of the areas is Beavercreek... GOD is bringing HIS WORD to pass.. something HE spoke to woman I NEVER MET ( she passed away when my wife was 18... I didnt meet my wife until sge was 26 ).. He is still YET bringing to pass... God said he was going to break the generational curse of " Bad Marriage " off my wife's family through us. He said when the younger generation sees how my wife will be blessed they are going to say UH UH.. she waited on GOD.. she was a virgin until marriage and NEVER dated and look how GOD blessed her.. I am gonna wait on GOD !!! Now as far as my family a LOT of her family is saved and more people get saved as they pray and intercede for them... Most of MY family is NOT saved. GOD said I am going to use HER family to pray for YOUR family and to TEACH YOU how to do the prayer watched and vigils THEY do over their families lives so that more of YOUR family will come into the kingdom of God... you JUST AINT gonna get that beause you went bowling together and shared a basket of cheesey fries.. Give me ALL the SUPERNATURAL I can get.... |
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Post by livinganewlife on Jun 19, 2009 9:14:00 GMT -5
Hey Living, I have another question about your views on "anointed marriages". You state that it is when God is the center of your marriage and the husband and wife are guided by the Holy Ghost and walk as one. Do you think that a couple can have an anointed marriage if they simply follow God's word regarding marriage in the bible? If the woman submits to her husband and he loves her as Jesus loves the church? Or do you think it requires something more? Kitty Kitty, an anointed marriage takes a commitment and submission from each individual to Christ prior to marriage……an anointed marriage is not merely about actions……………..sinners women submit to their husbands…..morally good men honor and respect their wives but that doesn’t necessarily mean an anointing is upon that marriage or that the marriage is design to fulfill God’s purpose in the kingdom… Marriage and family was designed for a specific purpose within God’s plan for mankind and we (general) as Christians just can’t haphazardly jump into marriage without first discovering and acknowledging that marriage isn’t about me (physically) but it is about living out the design God has created for my life…. We should one try to discover before marriage what is the Purpose and will for my life…..and what direction should I take in order to fulfill that purpose…. Many singles should ask God prior to marriage how can I fulfill my role as a wife and vice versa instead of seeking God for the man we need to ask God how to fulfill that roles so that we as a family can fulfill God’s purpose….. |
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Post by livinganewlife on Jun 19, 2009 9:26:46 GMT -5
I'll give you an example of prophetic fulfillment.. God told my wife's mother before she passed that her children would own houses in an aea in Ohio called Beavercreek. Now when I went to visit my wife the first time We drove through Beavercreek and I looked around and I said.. WOW I like this area. I would like to own a house here.. My wife said her mother received a Word from the Lord anout her children living in Beavercreek.... Later GOD told me that I would need to look into getting into Real Estate and HE gave me the areas of Real Estate that I am allowed to operate in. One of the areas is Beavercreek... GOD is bringing HIS WORD to pass.. something HE spoke to woman I NEVER MET ( she passed away when my wife was 18... I didnt meet my wife until sge was 26 ).. He is still YET bringing to pass... God said he was going to break the generational curse of " Bad Marriage " off my wife's family through us. He said when the younger generation sees how my wife will be blessed they are going to say UH UH.. she waited on GOD.. she was a virgin until marriage and NEVER dated and look how GOD blessed her.. I am gonna wait on GOD !!! Now as far as my family a LOT of her family is saved and more people get saved as they pray and intercede for them... Most of MY family is NOT saved. GOD said I am going to use HER family to pray for YOUR family and to TEACH YOU how to do the prayer watched and vigils THEY do over their families lives so that more of YOUR family will come into the kingdom of God... you JUST AINT gonna get that beause you went bowling together and shared a basket of cheesey fries.. Give me ALL the SUPERNATURAL I can get.... This is so encouraging to me.................because in this day and age people have valued the principles of "pop" psychology and philosophy as the only guide for their lives and than add prayer at the end...... |
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Post by kitty on Jun 19, 2009 22:20:35 GMT -5
Giants,
As usual I want you to know that I truly respect your wisdom and knowledge. That's why I asked for the scriptures behind your belief that dating is not a kingdom principal... I didn't do it to be argumentative... And I accept it if we aren't going to agree on a matter. But I wanted to look at things from the stand pointof the bible... I still ad reading your earlier post and I apreciate you taking the time to type all of that out...
However... There is something that I would really like to point out to you...
The point that I would like to make is this.... That maybe it was possible for YOU to go straight into an engagement and then a "coutship" because you already had known your wife as a platonic friend for quite sometime before hearing from God in reagards to her. In fact correct me if I am wrong but it seems to me that you knew her for year or more in which you talked to her regularly while you were in the midst of another relationship in which you stated you ALSO had heard from God but decided to end.
Sooo... Maybe it was easy because you already knew her character, her personality, her walk with God ahead of time. You can't say that you followed God blindly because this was someone that you knew somthing about already!
Regardless of what I receive about the young man I am in a courtship with now I have to spend time with him because we didn't know each prior, didn't attend the same church, don't have any friends in common, my family is in another state and my current pastor is not of the belief God will choose for you... If you bring anyone to him he will basically check that person out to see what kind of walk the person has....
Secondly... I'm NOT questioning God... I'm not questioning God's ability to bring people together, to be the ultimate match maker... I'm questioning this idea that God always reveals His hand ahead of time... I'm questioning this idea that God is always using signs and wonders and not speaking to us through our circumstance...
I'm not suggesting that people doubt God when they pause to check things out... I'm asking them to judge the "word" that they are receiving which we required to do... The bible states that we aren't to believe "every spirit".
Again not eveyone is walking around with a true word of God...
Lastly... so far you and Nikkol are the only people that I have met so far that ca say they wer "engaged" first then went into a courtship... and in BOTH cases you already knew the person and had established friendships....
I'm not looking to change your mind... I'm just asking that you pause and ask could you have really walked out and married your wife without knowing her in person, no phone calls, no conversations, no coffee dates, no going to church together, nothing but the supernatural...
Kitty
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Post by kitty on Jun 19, 2009 22:30:20 GMT -5
Living....
In your post you have mentioned "pop psychology" and even Dr. Phil... Can you give an example of you believe is pop psychology? Secondly... I agree a woman and a man can be sinners and married where the wife submits to her husband...
So I would like to rephrase my question... Do you believe that two married Christians who are following what God has stated in the bible on marriage will have an anointed marriage or does it require something more?
Kitty
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Post by kitty on Jun 19, 2009 22:46:08 GMT -5
Giants,
I think someone said it a few pages back but I think we all would like to discuss God's will and purpose in marriage. I think someone suggested that we start a different post on it since this one is basically about courtship...
I think it would be benefical to everyone... At this point in time I don't know what God's purpose is for me in marriage other than to bring stability to another person's life. God has shown me the ways that I am created to do that...
Other than that I received the areas that God wants to work in... I'm in the healthcare field... I deal with life and death situations... so yes...I need harmony because I can't be absent minded and making mistakes because my home life is a mess... because then people die. So maybe it seems selfish, maybe it is selfish... but I have no shame in stating that I look for it.
Again I'm sure a topic on God's purpose for marriage would do me some good...
Please share what you know Giants...
Kitty
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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 20, 2009 23:42:58 GMT -5
Ok I am going to try and respond to each area of this response.
I dont expect that we will all see eye to eye until Jesus comes. Yet I do enjoy the ability to share with each other.
Yes we need to make some corrections. You are correct i did know my wife, yet we were not very close friends. I did not talk to my wife at all when I was engaged to someone else. In fact we had pretty much lost contact with each other totally. We did not talk again until after the prior engagement had ended.
And I would like to clarify that in the prior relationship I heard clearly from God, received several confirmations, including from her pastor who I never met that GOD revealed specific things not only about me that he couldnt have known except by the Spirit of God and even about my family lineage, however due to her lack of faith and refusal to submit to the plan of GOD, GOD said she was disqualified as a suitable mate. In fact GOD specifically told me that she was now like the five virgins whose oil had run out when the bridegroom arrived and she was now LOCKED OUT of the marriage chamber. That was GOD's word.. See it got down to this GOD gave us some specific instructions. She had time to obey.. She chose NOT to obey GOD..
So had to clear that up.
Nope in all honesty that had nothing to do with it. It was easy for me because GOD told me that she was His PERFECT will for my life and his PERFECT choice for me.
I will say again that there are things I knew about my wife BEFORE she ever showed up. I knew certain character things. I knew certain minisry things. I knew these things EIGHT YEARS before she showed up because GOD had already revealed things about my wife to me in the prayer closet.
I didnt know she was my wife until GOD spoke to me and said
THIS is she...
THIS is the hand I have chosen for you...
Now FLOW.. ( meaning I was released to court her )
I asked God for confirmation, received it and then ACTED on it.. I told her that GOD told me that she was my wife. She told me that GOD told her I was her husband..
Now I would like to share for the record that I asked her to marry me BEFORE I HAD EVER SEEN HER AT ALL...I had NO idea what she looked like. It didnt matter.. because I knew that GOD knows me better than I know myself.
It had nothing to do with how ell I knew her. I had EVERYTHING to do with how well I KNOW GOD...
My wife was 625 miles away...
And I need to address some of these things. We feel that we need to date people to get to know them. Well I will say that i dont agree with that at all and I will tell you why...
In the Word of GOD Timothy was told how to conduct himself with the women of GOD. He was told to treat the young women as sisters and the older women as mothers. THIS is that pattern as I see it. My wife was my sister in the Lord untiil GOD revealed otherwise.
YET we ALL have people we know VERY well in our lives. We raise all these questions about knowing people character and their walk with GOD and their love for us blah blah blah...
I have friends that I know ALL these things about. I have covenant friends that I KNOW their walk with GOD.. I KNOW their Love for God.. I KNOW their love for ME.. I KNOW their character.. I KNOW them initmately in a great many ways. I am EXTREMELY close to them...]
Yet I have never dated any of them.. and it would be really bad for me to do so because THEY ARE MEN ( and that would just be nasty !!! )
So I dont buy that we need to date all these people to get to KNOW them because there are people we KNOW extremely well that we have NEVER dated and never will.
AND God knows them BETTER than we EVER will so if we would seek the LORD, HE is well able to reveal.
THIS for me is where the rubber meets the road. I see GOD as a GOD who consistently reveals HIS WILL to HIS people.. His WORD declares so.. its just WE that dont believe it and because we DONT believe it.. then it doesnt operate FOR us..
The Word of GOD shows me that God CONSISTENTLY reveals HIS WILL to HIS PEOPLE... ALL THE TIME....
It is the desire of the Lord to reveal HIS will to HIS people
God will reveal His will
John 14:29
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Psalm 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will show them his covenant.
Amos 3:7 AMP
Surely the Lord God will do nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets.
Ephesians 1:9
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Daniel 2:22
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him
John 15:15 (King James Version)
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
1 Corinthians 2:9,10
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
-Why is it so important that we comprehend the WILL of God?
Hosea 4:6a
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…
Colossians 1:9,10
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
While this is true and I agree with it 100% I am not talking about receiving a word from someone else... Im talking about GOD speaking TO YOU... DIRECTLY...
And who said that we should be hermits distant and aloof from everyone. God is not against brothers and sisters in the Lord conversing and even forging friendships.
let me address this.. as welll
1) I did not know my wife in person before we were engaged. We had never met and we didnt exchange photos until AFTER we were engaged...
2) We never went to church together. I met her pastor once when I went to visit her AFTER we were engaged and again when we were married.
3) We didnt have coffee dates.. You cant date someone who lives over 600 miles away...
My answer to that question is YES.. because I know and trust my GOD.. He is ABLE to do EXCEEDINGLY and ABUNDANTLY above ALL I can ask or think...
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Post by nina2 on Jun 21, 2009 7:31:36 GMT -5
Giants, I read you post several times, and I still have some questions. So, I am asking...
So, would it be correct to say that you were just "acquainted" and did not really "know" each other? And that, at that time, God had not spoken anything about anything remotely related to a married relationship in the future?
OK, you were obedient to what God clearly allowed you to know, and let me say first that I don't question any part of your testimony. However, you were engaged to this lady, and you have made very clear how seriously - for lack of a better word - you consider that step. So - and I know I am not the only one who may have that question - God actually allowed that engagement and the relationship to keep going for a while... Do you know what the purpose for that was?
In your complete obedience to God's directions, you say "So I had to clear that up". Still just trying to understand (not to prey on your private life), I have to ask, because I do have that question: how did you go about ending the relationship? I have to ask because - and you know it - the majority of the people, both believers and non believers - still think that "love just happens" instantly, re "falling in love" when, in fact, love is built. So, it could not have been an easy thing to do, you were engaged and looking at getting married, at that point, there had to be some deep feelings involved. I understand hearing from God, obeying God and ending the relationship. However, after reading it, I thought there might have been some time to elapse between walking away from a serious commitment and entering a similarly serious one?? Even under God's instruction, isn't there some kind of "rebound" period, stepping out transition, repositioning time? Or, were you just able to walk away and never look back, precisely because, through it all, you were in God's will?
I am asking because, for many who are not mature enough, this kind of situation can be beyond confusing...
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OK. That's where, personally, I feel like I don't understand at all. You mentioned that you knew those things about your wife eight years prior to her even showing up. Do those eight years include the time when you were engaged to another person? Were they after you ended the previous engagement? I am trying to understand the spiritual process.... Did God start talking to you about your wife when you were still in another relationship? Is that part of how you, through seeking him, were finally lead and told to end one engagement and move on to another relationship?
OK
How were you able to do that? Asking about the part where you say you asked her to marry you before you had ever seen her at all... and, in this case, what did she answer? At some point, you had been "around" each other, while you were still engaged to another. If you did not "know her", did not know what she looked like, how could God say "This is SHE"? Even in the spirit, at some point, there are details given for what is to manifest in the natural.... In other words: how did you find her?? Or found each other, for that matter, since God was also guiding her.
And again, I don't question that, at all. Your testimony is certainly exceptional. The fact is that, God is more than able, however, very seldom does it happen as in your case. It's not necessarily lack of faith or of seeking him....
I don't think that it is people feeling that they need to date people to get to know them.
The reason why I personally don't agree with dating is because of everything that the word "dating" has come to bring in the picture. Most of it, whether we are willing to admit it or not, comes from the secular world, and is very misleading. The main reason why it is misleading is because, now, it automatically carries some sort of romantic implications, and meeting someone, one on one, for dinner or just coffee becomes the door to all kinds of expectations (and situations) that derail everything from the jump.
The fact is that, people do meet, every day. Sometimes, they may want to know each other better. To me, the purpose of something like that is to find out more about somebody that we could actually like and become FRIEND with, nothing else. It might remain just an acquaintance, it might evolve into a deep, long lasting friendship BUT it doesn't have to imply anything from the jump. In other words, it can be just socializing and it doesn't have to be charged up with all kinds of other preconceived ideas without any solid foundation anyway.
I have dates with my friends, and I love it! And I can have dates with my female and male friends and love both equally. Why? Because I love my friends and I like being with them! Those relationships are built over time. Dating as it is understood today is flawed from the get go.
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See, I agree, and what messes up everybody's understanding is just throwing in that word "dating"....
No, but when a relationship is heading for marriage, then there is a necessary time (and - imho - not taking the time to go through that stage can be very detrimental, to put it mildly ) that needs to be taken to truly know the other person, AND, through that, also learn more about our own self in the context of a one on one, exclusive relationship, and to objectively consider the future of the relationship together. Together meaning God and the two persons involved. That's the purpose of real courtship.
Yes. And again, the part/word that most are not really willing to hear is TIME. The other one is TIMING...
Let me quote you on this one: bingo!
And for most people, including believers, that would be completely off the wall! Yes, God is able, but again, for the majority of those who haven't experienced that, this is a recipe for disaster.... Between what you experienced, and what others, very sincere ones, are honestly trying to establish in their life when it comes to serious relationships and how to go about it, there are still many gaps needing to be filled... Because God does work in mysterious ways, and nothing is impossible to him, however, he works which each and everyone of us differently and individually. Which is why I still believe that there is a dimension of marriage according to God which is never spoken off and sorely missing....
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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 21, 2009 11:11:24 GMT -5
Nina you know me I NEVER have a problem with questions. I believe one of the true keys to knowledge and wisdom is to ask questions !!!! So lets see if I can help some of these things make more sense. First let me say that I have a much greater understanding about things tha GOD was doing now than I had at that time. although I had some understanding. I also understand one of the particular anointing upon my life and that is that GOD tends to do the strange and unusual in my life, so I dont expect people to walk the same walk or have the same testimony. My desire however to teach people that GOD and the PRINCIPLES of GOD are no respecter of persons. These things will work regardless as long as we believe. Prayer will work, Seek HIS WILL and HE WILL make it known, etc etc... That would be 100% accurate Good questions lets take one at at time... and I have no problem sharing I did not understand the purpose intitally but when GOD began to speak to my heart regarding this situation this is what happened. Part of the problem in the situation is that the former person received some bad counsel from people she trusted that was close to her. That cause her to have doubt and fear. Now GOD HIMSELF was consistently speaking to her and telling her what HIS WILL was, so it wasnt like she didnt know. She told me that GOD told her SPECIFICALLY.. This man is MY CHOICE for you.. if you mess this up anyone else you get will be YOUR choice.. not mine.. and yet because fear took the place of faith it cause her to miss the timing of GOD. Now the purpose.... GOD said the PURPOSE was to teach us both about TRUST. Part of the issue was that we didnt have certain things in place to be married yet but GOD gave us SPECIFIC instructions regarding the WHEN of the marriage.. He told me.. He told her.. and He confirmed it THROUGH her pastor.. GOD said My WILL was to teach you BOTH about TRUST... How to TRUST ME regardless of what you see and TRUST ONLY my Word... ( this is why I alays say GOD Is always doing something GREATER in HIS WILL that we can often see.) And in answer to your other question YES there was some heartache.. and YES there was some pain.. YES there was some confusion.. but in it all there was GOD speaking and teaching and counselling.. I said GOD I dont understand how this TRUST thing is working.. He said SON>.. my will is SOVEREIGN.. the TRUST lesson is STILL being learned... You are learning how to trust ME when you are confused, when you dont understand and when your heart is broken.. YET you are STILL seeking my face... you are still coming to me for understanding and wisdom... Even when you are confused and even angry you are STILL leaning toward me to TRUST ME... I said ok I can see that.. but how does this apply to her.. GOD said she is learning the HARDER lesson... what happens when you DONT TRUST GOD.... I said Lord WHY did you let me go through this ( get ready for this part.. ) HE said you asked me to... I was like HUH !!!!! HE said did you not say to me " Lord if you can use anything you can use me ",, I said yeah well I have said that.. HE said Thats exactly what I did.. I wanted to use you to be a BLESSING to her and to her family.. HE said son there is SO MUCH that you dont see.. HE said I was going to use you to help heal the hurts from her past relationships. I was going to use you and your marriage to HEAL the broken marriage between her mother and her father... I was going to use you to help inspire her father to be the Man of GOD i made him to be... He said even her baby sister is going to go through some things later on in her life that you would have been INSTRUMENTAL in helping her deal with.. And SHE would have been a tremendous blessing to you... BUT because SHE would not submit to ME and MY WILL.. she is disqualified from being YOUR wife... How can two walk together unless they be agreed.... I confronted her about the things the Lord had given us instructions to do.. I reminded her of the seriousness of the instructions and the confirmations we got including from HER OWN PASTOR... Her words were.. I DONT CARE I AM NOT DOING THAT.... At that point I said to her.. OK I told you when we first became engaged that I would follow GOD no matter what.. You just told me that you are NOT going to do what GOD says to do... She said again.. I AM NOT GOING TO DO THAT.. I WANT TO DO THIS.... so NOW it comes down to whose WILL do I follow.. hers.. or GOD's... I chose GOD.... THIS is what GOD said to me after that... HE said SON you know the story of the ten virgins... I said yes Lord.. HE said.. SHE is like the five virgins whose lamp ran out of oil before the bridegroom comes... well the bridgegroom has come and the marriage door is SHUT !!!! and I WILL NOT open it unto her again... HE also said specifically IF YOU OPEN THE DOOR... You will be TOTALLY and COMPLETELY out of MY WILL for your life.... So once the door was close there was no looking back... And yes there was a time of healing for me and GOD said this to me in that time of healing.. GOD also said this.. SON my blessing are NEVER contingent upon a person.. they are contingent upon ME... I promised you a WIFE.. not a person... and I WILL bring you a wife.. Because YOU obeyed my Will and because you would NOT compromise.. Because you esteemed ME greater than the promise I gave you I am going to give you the blessing UPON The blessing.. God said I am going to bless you DOUBLE in your marriage.. In your buisness AND in your wisdom AND your teaching anointing... Ok I can see were some of this confusion is coming from.. Lets dissect... God began speaking to me about a wife two years after I was saved.. He began to speak to me about certain particular characteristics, certain traits, anointings etc etc... This was eight years BEFORE anyone showed up in my life at all.. He said things like she would be an evangelist with a heavy prophetic anointing. She would have a cool spirit. She will be a lot more lamb ( I am VERY LION ). She would be a compassionate woman with a motherly spirit.. etc etc... Those were the characteristics GOD revealed to me about a wife... not a SPECIFIC individual but that these things would be in my wife no matter who she was... because I didnt know at the time... These characteristics existed in both persons.. the reality is none of this had anything to do with the choice to end the prior engagement.. GOD closed the door because of a persons unbelief... And let me say this. THE EXACT SAME CHALLENGES appeared the next time.. I lost my job right before our marriage. We didnt have any money.. We didnt have money for a wedding dress.. a cake.. flowers.. NOTHING.. I didnt even have money for a honeymoon.. No job.. how was I going to pay rent.. But GOD said GO.. TRUST ME.. and I WILL PROVIDE... My wife and I talked.. she said we dont have anythings.. I said Baby.. we need to set a date.. she said how can we.. We dont even know what we can do.. I said Well we are both tithers and givers.. the Word says give and it shall be given unto you.. good measure pressed down shaken together and running over shall men give unto your bosom.. Lets set the date.. Let GOD take care of the rest... She called a place about a reception and the park where we wanted to get married and we set a date believing GOD... She went to church that Sunday and announced the date we would be getting married... IMMEDIATELY a woman jumped up and said.. ILL pay for your Dress.. Another jumped up and said ILL pay for your flowers... Another jumped up and said ILL pay for your cake... SHE acted in faith.... and GOD provided.. SHE TRUSTED what GOD and HIS WORD said HE would do... |
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Post by keita on Jun 21, 2009 15:43:38 GMT -5
We met each other over the internet, chatted off an on and then we exchanged phone numbers and talked every now and then.. in all honesty she was more like an acquaintence. We had no romantic involvement and we werent even really close friends........ WOW! Bro giants, in all the many times I've read your marriage testimony, I honestly don't remember ever reading that part of it. And as both a deeply spiritual AND seriously pragmatic sista, reading that piece actually makes your already powerful testimony even more so. Because personally, it not only helped me better relate to your marriage testimony, but to appreciate Our GOD even more, as well. I also think it's interesting that what you've described, ie., meeting a single, saved someone of the opposite sex (on the internet, in the grocery store, in a church pew, etc.) and then becoming better acquainted with them as friends with no romantic involvement is actually a perfect description of exactly what I see most commonly called and promoted as "Christian dating". |
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Post by nina2 on Jun 22, 2009 11:28:56 GMT -5
I know, and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to answer. I really believe that this kind of open discussion brings life...
Thank you....
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Post by livinganewlife on Jun 22, 2009 15:07:11 GMT -5
Living.... In your post you have mentioned "pop psychology" and even Dr. Phil... Can you give an example of you believe is pop psychology? Secondly... I agree a woman and a man can be sinners and married where the wife submits to her husband... So I would like to rephrase my question... Do you believe that two married Christians who are following what God has stated in the bible on marriage will have an anointed marriage or does it require something more? Kitty Kitty I am going to address Pop Psychology and I am going to use our Bro. GGD testimony as an example of what Pop Psychology will say is wrong regarding his approach to marriage: Pop psychology tells you to get to know this person physically / naturally i.e.
Do a background check, check his credit, does he have money in the bank, how does he treat the waitress in restaurants, how are does he treat his momma, does he open the door for you (all superficial things) and if he or she past the scores of tests than that is your spouse….
Now our Bro. GDD never had a date with his wife nor had he interacted with her physically to determine any of the aforementioned qualifications but he stepped out on God’s word because God said:
I didn’t know she was my wife until GOD spoke to me and said
THIS is she...
THIS is the hand I have chosen for you...
Now FLOW... (Meaning I was released to court her)
Pop psychology gives us logical reasoning for our actions and faith is not always logical….. Why is it that so many singles are afraid to trust God for their marriage but if the Lord tells them in the middle of the night that he is going to make them a millionaire in the area of sewing we can act on that…we get up go to Hanthingy the next day buy sewing machines, fabric, thread and all sort of sewing materials in belief that God is going to make us a millionaire and then start holding God accountable for that particular Word he spoke in our lives….…. But if God says you are going to marry a basketball player we don’t believe him or cant’ believe him……….put the very thought out of our minds and start dating and messing around with preachers and will not hold God accountable for the Word he spoke in our lives saying that you will marry a basketball player…. Do we not believe God is able to give us a suitable spouse…. Also, I have a question “As a person within the will of God are we really in control of who we will marry? “ |
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Post by kitty on Jun 22, 2009 18:44:12 GMT -5
Living,
Some of things that you mentioned are not what I personally would call "pop psychology" but common sense... I think if God does send someone the least that they could do would be to open the car door for you and treat their mother well... I mean seriously... If a man isn't treating his mother well you really should question if you have heard from God. God will at least send someone that has morals and a Godly character... Checking that out isn't mistrust of God... It's judging what one believe they have heard from God to see if it lines up with the bible... Which is what I have been taught is what we are supposed to do... God doesn't contradict Himself...
Which is why I still would say if God told you that a ball player is your husband then that's fine until he marries someone else... because then we are going against the word and I don't think God is testing anybody's faith by having them wait folks out of a marriage that may not end! LOL
By the way... How are we to hold God accountable to a word? Why should we have too? Either it comes to pass or it doesn't. Which is one of the most common ways we should judge something... If God said it then He does it... If it doesn't come to pass then 99% of the time it wasn't God... After all God is not a man that He should lie...
This is why people shouldn't completely ignore what is going on in their circumstances... God does speak to us throught them...
For example... Let's say that a person believes that God is going to heal them... Then guess what... The actual test will show that they don't have cancer anymore... a diabetic will have normal blood sugars levels... a person with HIV won't have traces f the virus in their blood anymore...
If they are healed the test will tell the truth...
But what happens is we get people declaring HOW GOD's going to do it...
People stop taking cancer treatments when God may have been planning to heal them that way...
People stop taking insulin when God was going to heal them that way...
The person with kidney failure may stop dialaysis before God can bless them with a kidney transplant...
Medicine is a gift from God... But for what ever reason people decide it isn't and die...
Sooo... In reality... a woman could be praying to God for a husband... And He may say... I will bless you with a husband... But she wants a first and last name... God never stated He would do this... But because she won't speak to any man unless God gave her his first ad last name then she may miss the person God had planned....
Instead she could have simply trusted God to send her the right one...
At some point God word becomes our reality... At some point God's word becomes what is going on in the natural...
Such as for starters the one God sends will expressed an interest... Is not dating other women, has a good heart, lives his life according to the word... But we may INSIST that God operate a certain way we miss what God places on our very paths before our very eyes
To me... this isn't trusting God either...
Kitty
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Post by stillfocused on Jun 22, 2009 20:05:09 GMT -5
I attended a singles Conference with Myles Munroe about 3 yrs, ago..and one of the questions he asked was What are you doing? Are you getting etc, doing things to meet other people.. Too many are sitting in church asking the question " Lord is he the one?' I found out a few months ago..that God as very great sense of humor when an old beau called out of nowhere and as he talked my mouth hit the floor!! Everything any woman would want in a man..yet, in his own words HE has not found the one that he wants to marry ( quite interesting) ..this brother isn't walking with the Lord..
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