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Post by Nikkol on Jun 23, 2009 6:59:33 GMT -5
Should a women pray about finding a husband?
Kitty: I know that in some of our caucasian churches they allow groups of friends to go out together and not that it would be just one boy and one girl at all.
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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 23, 2009 8:27:01 GMT -5
Living, Some of things that you mentioned are not what I personally would call "pop psychology" but common sense... I think if God does send someone the least that they could do would be to open the car door for you and treat their mother well... I mean seriously... If a man isn't treating his mother well you really should question if you have heard from God. God will at least send someone that has morals and a Godly character... Checking that out isn't mistrust of God... It's judging what one believe they have heard from God to see if it lines up with the bible... Which is what I have been taught is what we are supposed to do... God doesn't contradict Himself... Which is why I still would say if God told you that a ball player is your husband then that's fine until he marries someone else... because then we are going against the word and I don't think God is testing anybody's faith by having them wait folks out of a marriage that may not end! LOL By the way... How are we to hold God accountable to a word? Why should we have too? Either it comes to pass or it doesn't. Which is one of the most common ways we should judge something... If God said it then He does it... If it doesn't come to pass then 99% of the time it wasn't God... After all God is not a man that He should lie... This is why people shouldn't completely ignore what is going on in their circumstances... God does speak to us throught them... For example... Let's say that a person believes that God is going to heal them... Then guess what... The actual test will show that they don't have cancer anymore... a diabetic will have normal blood sugars levels... a person with HIV won't have traces f the virus in their blood anymore... If they are healed the test will tell the truth... But what happens is we get people declaring HOW GOD's going to do it... People stop taking cancer treatments when God may have been planning to heal them that way... People stop taking insulin when God was going to heal them that way... The person with kidney failure may stop dialaysis before God can bless them with a kidney transplant... Medicine is a gift from God... But for what ever reason people decide it isn't and die... Sooo... In reality... a woman could be praying to God for a husband... And He may say... I will bless you with a husband... But she wants a first and last name... God never stated He would do this... But because she won't speak to any man unless God gave her his first ad last name then she may miss the person God had planned.... Instead she could have simply trusted God to send her the right one... At some point God word becomes our reality... At some point God's word becomes what is going on in the natural... Such as for starters the one God sends will expressed an interest... Is not dating other women, has a good heart, lives his life according to the word... But we may INSIST that God operate a certain way we miss what God places on our very paths before our very eyes To me... this isn't trusting God either... Kitty OR we could simply ask GOD what to do and then follow HIS instructions.... It seems to me we have this belief that GOD isnt always going to give us instructions which is so far from the truth its not even funny because HE IS a GOD that gives instructions and gives them in great detail and His Word is proof positive... I never asked GOD for a first and last name... But God did tell me who she was... and HE told HER !!! See thats the part everyone seems to miss.. GOD TOLD ME and HE TOLD HER... in fact when we compared notes GOD told us the same day.. told me in prayer that morning and told her in Worship that morning... I dont care if all that natural stuff lines up.. and whose Criteria is that natural anyway  Ours Dr. Phils ? Thats why the chruch has a ridiculous divorce rate because people arent looking beyond the scope of the natural and what they can see and figure out with their FINITE minds.. We NEED to be figuring out how these people connect with us SPIRITUALLY and thats a LOT more than they go to church and read a bible.. and we need GOD for that... The reality is we are not used to asking GOD what do do our how to proceede in our daily lives. We do what we want and how we want to do it and normally dont bother consulting HIM because we say stuff like.. God gave me common sense... we trust the knowledge and information we gain through our limited fallible sense MORE than we trust and lean to the wisdom and knowledge of GOD... Well as one of my dear friends always says.. " all sense knowledge is not common " Ill give a small example of what I mean.. I went to the store one day to buy some shirts.. I was in the store shopping and there were these very nice casual dress shirts for 80.00. I had the money picked up the shirt and was like.. Lord This is a nice shirt.. I like this one... The Lord said.. Put it down.. I was like but Lord.. this is a nice shirt.. The Lord said.. put it down... so I put it back and got something else.. I came back to the store a few months later.. the shirts were 33% off. I was like WOW they dropped the price on thise.. The Lord was like.. But you arent here for shirts today.. You are here to bit shorts today... so i bought shorts and left... Came back a few months later.. The rack with the cool shirts was gone.. it was fall season now.. I was looking for some pants... The Lord said.. Look over there... on the closeout rack.... Same shirts... FINAL CLOSEOUT... 20 bucks... The Lord said NOW buy FOUR shirts for the price you were going to buy ONE shirt for.... THAT was my lesson on Proverbs 3... However we have to BELIEVE That GOD is a GOD who will walk with us.. talk with us.. instruct us and counsel us.. We can ALWAYS ask HIS will.. 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Post by livinganewlife on Jun 23, 2009 8:40:10 GMT -5
Living, Some of things that you mentioned are not what I personally would call "pop psychology" but common sense... I think if God does send someone the least that they could do would be to open the car door for you and treat their mother well... I mean seriously... If a man isn't treating his mother well you really should question if you have heard from God. God will at least send someone that has morals and a Godly character... Checking that out isn't mistrust of God... It's judging what one believe they have heard from God to see if it lines up with the bible... Which is what I have been taught is what we are supposed to do... God doesn't contradict Himself... Which is why I still would say if God told you that a ball player is your husband then that's fine until he marries someone else... because then we are going against the word and I don't think God is testing anybody's faith by having them wait folks out of a marriage that may not end! LOL By the way... How are we to hold God accountable to a word? Why should we have too? Either it comes to pass or it doesn't. Which is one of the most common ways we should judge something... If God said it then He does it... If it doesn't come to pass then 99% of the time it wasn't God... After all God is not a man that He should lie... This is why people shouldn't completely ignore what is going on in their circumstances... God does speak to us throught them... For example... Let's say that a person believes that God is going to heal them... Then guess what... The actual test will show that they don't have cancer anymore... a diabetic will have normal blood sugars levels... a person with HIV won't have traces f the virus in their blood anymore... If they are healed the test will tell the truth... But what happens is we get people declaring HOW GOD's going to do it... People stop taking cancer treatments when God may have been planning to heal them that way... People stop taking insulin when God was going to heal them that way... The person with kidney failure may stop dialaysis before God can bless them with a kidney transplant... Medicine is a gift from God... But for what ever reason people decide it isn't and die... Sooo... In reality... a woman could be praying to God for a husband... And He may say... I will bless you with a husband... But she wants a first and last name... God never stated He would do this... But because she won't speak to any man unless God gave her his first ad last name then she may miss the person God had planned.... Instead she could have simply trusted God to send her the right one... At some point God word becomes our reality... At some point God's word becomes what is going on in the natural... Such as for starters the one God sends will expressed an interest... Is not dating other women, has a good heart, lives his life according to the word... But we may INSIST that God operate a certain way we miss what God places on our very paths before our very eyes To me... this isn't trusting God either... Kitty OR we could simply ask GOD what to do and then follow HIS instructions.... It seems to me we have this belief that GOD isnt always going to give us instructions which is so far from the truth its not even funny because HE IS a GOD that gives instructions and gives them in great detail and His Word is proof positive... I never asked GOD for a first and last name... But God did tell me who she was... and HE told HER !!! See thats the part everyone seems to miss.. GOD TOLD ME and HE TOLD HER... in fact when we compared notes GOD told us the same day.. told me in prayer that morning and told her in Worship that morning... I dont care if all that natural stuff lines up.. and whose Criteria is that natural anyway Ours Dr. Phils ? Thats why the chruch has a ridiculous divorce rate because people arent looking beyond the scope of the natural and what they can see and figure out with their FINITE minds.. We NEED to be figuring out how these people connect with us SPIRITUALLY and thats a LOT more than they go to church and read a bible.. and we need GOD for that... The reality is we are not used to asking GOD what do do our how to proceede in our daily lives. We do what we want and how we want to do it and normally dont bother consulting HIM because we say stuff like.. God gave me common sense... we trust the knowledge and information we gain through our limited fallible sense MORE than we trust and lean to the wisdom and knowledge of GOD... Well as one of my dear friends always says.. " all sense knowledge is not common " Ill give a small example of what I mean.. I went to the store one day to buy some shirts.. I was in the store shopping and there were these very nice casual dress shirts for 80.00. I had the money picked up the shirt and was like.. Lord This is a nice shirt.. I like this one... The Lord said.. Put it down.. I was like but Lord.. this is a nice shirt.. The Lord said.. put it down... so I put it back and got something else.. I came back to the store a few months later.. the shirts were 33% off. I was like WOW they dropped the price on thise.. The Lord was like.. But you arent here for shirts today.. You are here to bit shorts today... so i bought shorts and left... Came back a few months later.. The rack with the cool shirts was gone.. it was fall season now.. I was looking for some pants... The Lord said.. Look over there... on the closeout rack.... Same shirts... FINAL CLOSEOUT... 20 bucks... The Lord said NOW buy FOUR shirts for the price you were going to buy ONE shirt for.... THAT was my lesson on Proverbs 3... However we have to BELIEVE That GOD is a GOD who will walk with us.. talk with us.. instruct us and counsel us.. We can ALWAYS ask HIS will.. 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Post by livinganewlife on Jun 23, 2009 9:09:27 GMT -5
Kitty, please let me address the basketball player situation and give another example of how God's word is the Ultiamte.....
I am speaking second hand but this is how I view my friend's relationship.....
Eight years ago God told her that she was going to marry a basketball player..... (I mean God gives her specifics down to the street he lived on and I mean specifics........) she actually meets a BB player they go out and have a good time but nothing comes of it because he wasn't saved and surely wasn't looking to settle down....
Fast forward eight years later and she runs back into the BB Player....now mind you this girl is yet saved has dated around but she is still single......
The basketball player has moved on with life, gotten married but his wife was deathly ill....my friend and BB develops a friendship during this trial......it was the last stage for his wife and the doctor's had given her up.......
Fast forward wife pass away; friend and BB develops a stronger relationship................. and they are getting married in Jamaica this September....Now to me, this is a miracle all within itself.....God told this girl who she was going to marry (not specifically his name) but he gave her a BB uniform, his complexion, the neighborhood and home which he grew up in and gave her specifics about his life prior to her ever meeting him.....
God also told BB that she was his wife and they both knew specifically why they were reuniting ....
The miracle to me is this.................things don't always work how we plan but if God said it it is going to happen..........it will happen.....
Now of course I wouldn't advocate my friend waiting around for someone to die in order to get married.............that's just plain foolishness.................but in her case the woman was dying and there wasn't anything they could do about it...the first wife was suffering from metastatic cancer....
To me the beauty is not only is God true to His word God is true to his order......my friend is single and free to marry and BB player is a widower and free to marry both legally and spiritually....(both are free to marry regardless of what happened in his prior life............... BB is free to marry).........
God didn't give her all the specifics of her marriage but God gave her enough for them both to recognize that God had brought them both together for a specific purpose....
The most beautiful part of the testimony to me is that BB is now saved and can reach out to others in the community and bring them to Christ and he can do this because of his brokenness and the trials his had to endure...............Oh I see a major ministry being birthed in this young man.........
Another beauty to me especailly for young girls...............is that my friend is a sanctified, saved, holy ghost filled, beautiful young lady getting ready to marry a baller  .............she's not marrying a baller because she was in da club looking for him either or out there jocking every athlete she saw........she is marrying a baller all for the glory of God...........
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Jun 23, 2009 11:20:29 GMT -5
We NEED to be figuring out how these people connect with us SPIRITUALLY and thats a LOT more than they go to church and read a bible.. and we need GOD for that... now that's a word!!!! |
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Post by kitty on Jun 23, 2009 12:27:20 GMT -5
Living...
The problem is this... I can't accept that story as coming from God because if she literally held on to that word while he was married then she would have been in sin! To me this is how the devil twists God's word... I will never accept this as being from God.
Living... I think the fact that she is marrying this guy is either just a coincidence or of the devil point blank...
because let's see...If we go by the thinking that is presented on THIS topic she would have been in error to think anything else or even date anybody else while this guy was still out there living his life! Because then she would have been showing a lack of faith in God... Or being disobedient to God... And correct me if I am wrong but didn't this lady believe that the BB player was the one that God had chosen for her when she first met him?
Do you guys know just how many women are WASTING THEIR LIVES ON THIS KIND OF MADNESS....
The bible states that God doesn't lead us into sin or temptation... Believing someone 's husband is really yours is coveting someone else's spouse point blank! The fact that the woman was dying doesn't make it ok! In fact it leads me to believe that while this man's wife was ill and needed him more than ever he was busy spending time with and talking to some OTHER WOMAN!
And we call that God?!
Those 2 getting married is to the glory of what? Hell? Because that's exactly where that testimony can mislead and send a lot of people!
WOW!!!!
The fact that she even STARTED a friendship/relationship with this guy while his wife was dying is truly "Strange" and what I would call "questionable" behavior... I mean seriously... was she praying for this woman's healing or waiting for her to die instead so she could move on with her husband. Honestly it sound evil... Maybe this guy should have been asking for God's supernatural healing for his wife than meeting a "new boo".
But I'm supposed to believe that it all went down like this because it was simply God's will?
Is it that now SIN is ok as long as GOD said so? Is God giving out passes on dating married folk as long as their spouses got on foot in the grave? Please spare me!
Certainly if I apply that to my OWN situation then hell would be the exact place I would be going. I got a dream about the last guy before I ever met him, he claimed to have had a word from God as well, I got a so called confirmation from a Rev. who I knew nothing about my personal life... But this guy is now MARRIED to someone else...
What I got was a whole lot of "supernatural experiences" that Ultimately DID NOT COME TO PASS....
But here is where I seem to differ from you and Giants and others>>>> I don't think the supernatural exprience was of God!!! WHY because it DID NOT COME TO PASS! And God's word comes to pass... I don't sit around wondering or questioning this.... But if I were to believe this testimony you present then I should be waiting for either this man's wife to die or for him to get a divorce! RATHER than to MOVE ON... and enter into a relationship with a man that truly single, saved, unattached, looking for a wife and seeking me...
WOW!!!!
Living... I know you "say" that you don't suggest that a woman or anyone wait on a married individual... But that is about the only thing that this testimony really leads people to believe... Thus leading people to believe that God contradicts His word...
It also suggests that you should believe that God will pick an unsaved man for you...U should just keep believing until Jesus comes back that he will be saved one day!
It also suggests that God want us to keep on holding on to folk that are out in the world doing their own thing... INSTEAD of moving on with those who are saved...
It suggest that you should hold out belief on a married man.... instead of moving on with those who are single....
All contradicting God's written word...
Guys... I just don't think it's that hard for God to pick a husband and put us together...
Giants I have seen just as many folks claiming to have a "word" for the Lord get divorced as I have many others who didn't...
The diference between me in you is this.... Not that I don't think that God moves superaturally... But 2 things...
1. I don't believe all supernatural experiences are of God...
2. I am not bold enough to suggest that people who simply met, are saved, courted, got married and have stayed happily married for 20, 30 + years are NOT joined by God because they Don't have a superatural testimony....
Again guys... I'll state this one more time...
It's not that I don't know, believe and experience God superaturally... I just don't believe all of those experiences are of God especially if they don't line up with or contradict God's word in ANY way...
And I don't believe God ALWAYS shows His hand....
We can officially agree to disagree folks
God Bless!
Kitty
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Post by kitty on Jun 23, 2009 13:03:17 GMT -5
Guys...
And for the record... When I say God's word should line up with the natural and and the bible this is what I mean...
If God said someone is your spouse then... They shoudn't be married to someone else...
If God said that someone is your spouse... Then they shouldn't be shacked up with and having sex with someone else....
If God said someone was your husband... Then there shouldn't be 10-15 other women who are all claiming the same thing... And you just continue to walk around and declare the other women to be mistaken or mislead... FOR YEARS...
If God said someone is your spouse... Then they should AT SOME POINT be interested in you Too! Not runing around declaring he is out of God's will every time he has interest in someone else...
If God said that someone is your spouse.... Then they should ALREADY BE SAVED...
This is what I mean when I say things should line up in the natural...
Again folks are free to do other wise... and while a host of others can keep on with the madness... I'll be married and moved on with my life...
The sad part would be that I can do it the right way respecting God and folks would be on the sidelines trying to declare my marriage isn't of God because i didn't follow a particular method or trust God to bring the right person into my life... I am trusting God... It is the right person then the relationship works period!
Oh well... that's too bad because any marriage is only between 3 people. Those who married and God...
And Living... if the story you share is what your example is of a anointed marriage... Then I will happily say that I pass on having that kind of "anointing". LOL
Kitty
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Post by livinganewlife on Jun 23, 2009 13:30:38 GMT -5
Living... The problem is this... I can't accept that story as coming from God because if she literally held on to that word while he was married then she would have been in sin! To me this is how the devil twists God's word... I will never accept this as being from God. Living... I think the fact that she is marrying this guy is either just a coincidence or of the devil point blank... because let's see...If we go by the thinking that is presented on THIS topic she would have been in error to think anything else or even date anybody else while this guy was still out there living his life! Because then she would have been showing a lack of faith in God... Or being disobedient to God... And correct me if I am wrong but didn't this lady believe that the BB player was the one that God had chosen for her when she first met him? Do you guys know just how many women are WASTING THEIR LIVES ON THIS KIND OF MADNESS....? The bible states that God doesn't lead us into sin or temptation... Believing someone 's husband is really yours is coveting someone else's spouse point blank! The fact that the woman was dying doesn't make it ok! In fact it leads me to believe that while this man's wife was ill and needed him more than ever he was busy spending time with and talking to some OTHER WOMAN!.... And we call that God?! Those 2 getting married is to the glory of what? Hell? Because that's exactly where that testimony can mislead and send a lot of people! WOW!!!! The fact that she even STARTED a friendship/relationship with this guy while his wife was dying is truly "Strange" and what I would call "questionable" behavior... I mean seriously... was she praying for this woman's healing or waiting for her to die instead so she could move on with her husband. Honestly it sound evil... Maybe this guy should have been asking for God's supernatural healing for his wife than meeting a "new boo". But I'm supposed to believe that it all went down like this because it was simply God's will? Is it that now SIN is ok as long as GOD said so? Is God giving out passes on dating married folk as long as their spouses got on foot in the grave? Please spare me! No one said these people were dating while he was married......this girl NEVER wanted this man as her husband....she had moved on from the initial prophecy and had pretty much forgotten about this man.................Eight (8) years had passed since this young lady had seen this man and they had both moved on with their lives....she was dating other people and he had gotten married..... Certainly if I apply that to my OWN situation then hell would be the exact place I would be going. I got a dream about the last guy before I ever met him, he claimed to have had a word from God as well, I got a so called confirmation from a Rev. who I knew nothing about my personal life... But this guy is now MARRIED to someone else... What I got was a whole lot of "supernatural experiences" that Ultimately DID NOT COME TO PASS.... But here is where I seem to differ from you and Giants and others>>>> I don't think the supernatural exprience was of God!!! WHY because it DID NOT COME TO PASS! And God's word comes to pass... I don't sit around wondering or questioning this.... But if I were to believe this testimony you present then I should be waiting for either this man's wife to die or for him to get a divorce! RATHER than to MOVE ON... and enter into a relationship with a man that truly single, saved, unattached, looking for a wife and seeking me... Now I understand why it is difficult for you to process this story..... WOW!!!! Living... I know you "say" that you don't suggest that a woman or anyone wait on a married individual... But that is about the only thing that this testimony really leads people to believe... Thus leading people to believe that God contradicts His word... It also suggests that you should believe that God will pick an unsaved man for you...U should just keep believing until Jesus comes back that he will be saved one day! It also suggests that God want us to keep on holding on to folk that are out in the world doing their own thing... INSTEAD of moving on with those who are saved... It suggest that you should hold out belief on a married man.... instead of moving on with those who are single.... All contradicting God's written word...... Kitty not one time did God contradict his word....now IMO what happened is that timing had to take place for the fullness of God's word to manifest.....no one is saying wait around on dead spouses or crazy thoughts like that.....but this girl never gave any thought about this man being her husband because she initially dismissed the prophecy, visions etc concerning her BB player husband.....I remember her saying that the Lord would not bring her a "pimp playa" as a husband....talking about this young man..... This young lady moved on with her life and so did this brother....but ultimately their paths reconnected and God fulfilled the promise he made to this young lady and to the man also..........Maybe if this girl would have held on to God's word when she first received it than maybe things would have turned out differently....maybe the BB would have married her and maybe he would have gotten saved.....I don't know..........but what I do know is that this child shared her vision with me regarding the BB player years ago and she is now planning a wedding to marry a BB player who is all that she could have asked for...... and in my spirit I believe that this is of God..... Guys... I just don't think it's that hard for God to pick a husband and put us together... Giants I have seen just as many folks claiming to have a "word" for the Lord get divorced as I have many others who didn't... The diference between me in you is this.... Not that I don't think that God moves superaturally... But 2 things... 1. I don't believe all supernatural experiences are of God... 2. I am not bold enough to suggest that people who simply met, are saved, courted, got married and have stayed happily married for 20, 30 + years are NOT joined by God because they Don't have a superatural testimony.... Again guys... I'll state this one more time... It's not that I don't know, believe and experience God superaturally... I just don't believe all of those experiences are of God especially if they don't line up with or contradict God's word in ANY way... And I don't believe God ALWAYS shows His hand.... We can officially agree to disagree folks God Bless! Kitty True we can agree to disagree but please be careful not to knock anyone's testimony just because it didn't or hasn't happened for you........ |
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Post by livinganewlife on Jun 23, 2009 13:34:42 GMT -5
Guys... And for the record... When I say God's word should line up with the natural and and the bible this is what I mean... If God said someone is your spouse then... They shoudn't be married to someone else... If God said that someone is your spouse... Then they shouldn't be shacked up with and having sex with someone else.... If God said someone was your husband... Then there shouldn't be 10-15 other women who are all claiming the same thing... And you just continue to walk around and declare the other women to be mistaken or mislead... FOR YEARS... If God said someone is your spouse... Then they should AT SOME POINT be interested in you Too! Not runing around declaring he is out of God's will every time he has interest in someone else... If God said that someone is your spouse.... Then they should ALREADY BE SAVED... This is what I mean when I say things should line up in the natural... Again folks are free to do other wise... and while a host of others can keep on with the madness... I'll be married and moved on with my life... The sad part would be that I can do it the right way respecting God and folks would be on the sidelines trying to declare my marriage isn't of God because i didn't follow a particular method or trust God to bring the right person into my life... I am trusting God... It is the right person then the relationship works period! Oh well... that's too bad because any marriage is only between 3 people. Those who married and God... And Living... if the story you share is what your example is of a anointed marriage... Then I will happily say that I pass on having that kind of "anointing". LOL Kitty LOL ;D that is not an anointed marriage because they aren't married yet.....but what I do know is that "anointing" don't come cheap and it is not as easy as one, two, three to walk for an anointed purpose or calling..... However, I do believe that my friend and her fiancee will one day have a very strong anointed marriage and ministry........ |
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Post by kitty on Jun 23, 2009 16:26:15 GMT -5
Living...
I knock this story because it doesn't line up with the bible... Period... No other reason.
You stated that God gave this woman a prophesy that included how he looked and what street he lived on... So clearly she knew who he had to be in the beginning.
So what is suggested is that GOD... will promise you a unsaved man who goes on to marry someone else...
Something that goes against the bible...
Question Living... Why on earth would God give a woman a promise that in order for her to believe as true she would have to initally ignore the bible?
I don't believe God is doing that or testing our faith in that manner... You are free to believe what you wish... But this is not God.
Kitty
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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 24, 2009 1:21:27 GMT -5
I'd like to address several comments
A Word for the Lord is not a guaratee against divorce. You must CONTINUE in His Word. That point is moot.
Lets talk about point one. I dont believe that all supernatural experiences are of GOD. However I DO believe what the Word of GOD says that my Sheep KNOW my voice and another they will not follow.
WHY is OUR FATHER GOD speaking to us and DECLARING HIS WILL considered SUPERNATURAL.. It should be the MOST NATURAL thing for a CHILD OF GOD to speak to and hear THEIR GOD !! I am not talking about folks prophesying to you although GOD certainly speaks through other people.. but GOD speaking to YOU directly...
Point two. I have never said that people cannot get married and stay happily married. What I HAVE said and continued to say is that GOD can and WILL reveal HIS will to us in EVERY area of our Lives if we allow him INCLUDING marriage.
I will also continue to state that as long as we focus only on ourselves and our own fulfillment and NOT the plan will and destiny of GOD we can definitely fall short of HIS ultimate plans for our marriages... I keep saying that there is a VISION OF GOD that is bigger than two fokks being happy for 30 years...
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And I don't believe God ALWAYS shows His hand.... [/quote]
And in all honesty this is where we truly disagree because I know GOD personally and consistently throughout HIS WORD to be a GOD that reveals HIS WILL... However if you dont BELIEVE HE WILL.. then that becomes an issue..
Jesus could do NO mighty works in His own hometown because of their unbelief.
THIS for me is where the rubber meets the road. I see GOD as a GOD who consistently reveals HIS WILL to HIS people.. His WORD declares so.. its just WE that dont believe it and because we DONT believe it.. then it doesnt operate FOR us..
The Word of GOD shows me that God CONSISTENTLY reveals HIS WILL to HIS PEOPLE... ALL THE TIME....
It is the desire of the Lord to reveal HIS will to HIS people
God will reveal His will
John 14:29
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Psalm 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will show them his covenant.
Amos 3:7 AMP
Surely the Lord God will do nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets.
This ONE scripture refutes completely that GOD will not always reveal His hand. He will let SOMEONE know in the earth before HE does ANYTHING..
Ephesians 1:9
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Daniel 2:22
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him
John 15:15 (King James Version)
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
1 Corinthians 2:9,10
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
The Spirit of GOD who is the Holy Spirit is the REVEALER of ALL THINGS because HE searches ALL THINGS ( that includes who we would marry)
Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
James 1:5-7
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
which is why MANY dont hear...
So if I lack wisdom in ANY area.. I can ask GOD and HE WILL give it to me \.. BUT my faith in what I ask must be steadfast and SURE..
And here is my final word on whether GOD will show you HIS hand or not,,
Mark 11
23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
John 15:7
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 16:23
23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Here endeth the lesson...
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Post by keita on Jun 24, 2009 4:43:48 GMT -5
Somehow, I'm pretty sure it won't be the benediction though, LOL! Personally, I've not found asking GOD "Why?" to be the most fruitful use of my access to HIS throne.
Too many times of my "whys?" simply leading to more "whys?" and finally (well, at least more often) accepting that HIS bottom line answer to me is usually, "Because I said so." Understanding the WHY is often a key to maintaining ones faith and gives the ability to perservere through challenges. I don't believe God ALWAYS shows His hand.... THIS for me is where the rubber meets the road. I see GOD as a GOD who consistently reveals HIS WILL to HIS people.. His WORD declares so.. its just WE that dont believe it and because we DONT believe it.. then it doesnt operate FOR us.. I believe GOD revealing His will is not always or necessarily the same thing as GOD explaining why. I believe and have experienced that GOD certainly can, has done, and still does, both. I believe and have experienced that GOD also can, has done, and often does the former without doing the latter. I believe each presents a unique call and challenge to TRUST and that GOD requires the same obedience from His people... either way. So, I'm learning how to simply trust and obey GOD... either way. |
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Post by Nikkol on Jun 24, 2009 7:18:41 GMT -5
I think that what we are seeing is that many times, we allow our pass experiences to "take the place" of the Word. If the scripture says In ALL your ways acknowledge him and He will direct your path, that's what it means. We are to acknowledge/seek God in EVERYTHING that we do and as GIANTS has said on numerous occassions, marriage is included.
Unfortunately, most of us (me included) were brought in the way that to get married you have to date, see how the person is, see if you're compatible and if that works out, you get married....at the same time if after you've done it for a while the person changes and you no longer feel "compatible" you can call it quits and try again. Scripturally, it's God who we should be waiting for and then you begin a courtship and get married. And even when things don't go the way you "think" it should, you stay married because you followed the Lord. (and even if you chose to "do it on your own" you made your bed.......)
I will agree it's a total mind change. I WISH that I could've waited like my husband did because you go through so many unnecessary issues.
But insofar as the topic -- I think of dating as the secular term used to "see if this person may be marriage material".... or even moreso now, it's so that you can go out with some1, be very close (too close) kiss, hug, etc. But at ANY time, you can choose to stop and find someone else (or even find a few ppl at the same time).
In courtship, you know that this is the person that you're going to marry. There's no "trying it out" or being with a lot of ppl at the same time. And based on those you're around, there are other rules made to keep the courtship "untainted" as it was done with the Jews. ..... it's a mind change
One more thing, in reference to those who choose or don't choose to do medication, it's all based on one's faith. Some ppl may believe God will heal and choose to stop certain things. Is that wrong? No. Is that something that everyone has the faith to believe? No. But for some, they have the faith to believe that he can..... but even if he doesn't, they know that he can. (Tho I'm not a believer that a person can "die before their time".....which is a DIFFERENT topic, I know. LOL)
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Post by livinganewlife on Jun 24, 2009 8:54:36 GMT -5
Living... I knock this story because it doesn't line up with the bible... Period... No other reason. You stated that God gave this woman a prophesy that included how he looked and what street he lived on... So clearly she knew who he had to be in the beginning. So what is suggested is that GOD... will promise you a unsaved man who goes on to marry someone else... Something that goes against the bible... Question Living... Why on earth would God give a woman a promise that in order for her to believe as true she would have to initally ignore the bible? I don't believe God is doing that or testing our faith in that manner... You are free to believe what you wish... But this is not God. Kitty Kitty, God promised this girl a saved young man who was a professional basketball player, who lived in a certain neighborhood and on a certain street with some specifics but she NEVER thought she was marrying this guy because he was out in the World........... but in the end she is marrying exactly what God promised her and that is a SAVED professional BASKETBALL player ...... Now, I believe your issue stems from the fact of what if this girl had waited around these past eight (8) years for this prophecy to manifest..... My friend did not wait around for this man to come around she NEVER thought he was her husband............PERIODHowever, who is to say what would have happened if this girl had trusted God and stood on what the Lord had told her instead of going out doing her own thing...... Also, I don't see anywhere in her testimony where it is not lining up with the Bible..... 1. Two believers are getting married 2. Two believers prayed and asked God about their spouses and God gave the approval 3. Two believers are FREEE to marry both legally and biblically 4. Two believers have obeyed the Word of God as far as I know and have not committed any sin regarding their relationship.... Kitty, I think your issue with this particular testimony is that the young man went off and married someone else.....as believers we don't know the journey to our blessing all we know is that there is a blessing at the end...... I can't say their journey is for everyone but for them that is the road they must take.... Just because things don't operate logically in our mind doesn't mean it's not from God....... For example my sister was promised a child from God....she had two miscarriages....one child miscarried full term.........now if she had your attitude she and her husband would have given up and said this is not from God because "God wouldn't allow two children who were promised to me to die"................but God allowed it and because she and her husband kept the FAITH in spite of circumstances and critics, of course people were telling them to adopt......but they kept the faith and now have a beautiful 3 year old child......and this child has brought so much JOY to our family....it seems as if the birth of this child was the bond our family needed to become closer to each other.....and MY sister is now a fiery Holy Ghost filled Missionary and her husband is active in the Church and actually started a ministry to help father's deal with miscarriages, because he noticed during his ordeal there was nowhere for men to turn when they have lost a child..... Was their journey from the devil........I think not, many could say the devil played a role in their life................but they had to go through their situation for a designed purpose and plan mapped out by God for his glory...... So to say God has a detailed map for the manifestation of His word according to HUMAN logic is also operating in unbelief....... |
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Post by nina2 on Jun 24, 2009 9:25:19 GMT -5
I don't know if this fits into what you intended, but:
I believe that just as there are positive and negative commandments in the Bible, there is what God DOES WILL and what God DOES NOT WILL.
As I mentioned before, what God does NOT will is still His will.....
What God commands both TO DO and NOT TO DO is not a mere suggestion, it has to be.
Which is why:
is where I do put an Amen and a Selah.....
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Ours 
.............she's not marrying a baller because she was in da club looking for him either or out there jocking every athlete she saw........she is marrying a baller all for the glory of God........... 